[Louise32]

Maybe then the spoilt brat will have a bit more compassion for her poor dad.

[hello.member]

You want her to have a nervous breakdown? Really?

[Louise32]

Well she's that uncaring and nasty towards her dad it might give her a different perspective if she did.

[DODS11]

Originally Posted by Louise32

Well she's that uncaring and nasty towards her dad it might give her a different perspective if she did.

Her dad is a douche though. I'd be selfish and uncaring if my dad left me alone with two businesses, debts and absolutely no money to live on. I'd hate him. I wouldn't care that he came back a big tramp, I'd be too busy absolutely raging.

Also Lucy doesn't really know what a state he is (mentally), she's only given him enough time to realise he's returned and that he's a tramp. She doesn't really know he's shut down mentally.

[burbe]

Originally Posted by DODS11

Her dad is a douche though. I'd be selfish and uncaring if my dad left me alone with two businesses, debts and absolutely no money to live on. I'd hate him. I wouldn't care that he came back a big tramp, I'd be too busy absolutely raging.

Actually 3 businesses - the fruit and veg stall, the chippy and the cafe.

[DODS11]

Originally Posted by burbe

Actually 3 businesses - the fruit and veg stall, the chippy and the cafe.

See... even more of a douche.

[JarkdeLuxe]

I'm surprised this has got people so divided. To me it's a no brainer that she should be angry with him.

[Louise32]

I agree Ian shouldn't have left her to run the business and all the debts etc but it's not like he was stable.

And the fact he's come back a tramp should indicate to Lucy that her dad's not been in a good place.

[PrincessPerfect]

Originally Posted by DODS11

Her dad is a douche though. I'd be selfish and uncaring if my dad left me alone with two businesses, debts and absolutely no money to live on. I'd hate him. I wouldn't care that he came back a big tramp, I'd be too busy absolutely raging.

Also Lucy doesn't really know what a state he is (mentally), she's only given him enough time to realise he's returned and that he's a tramp. She doesn't really know he's shut down mentally.

He isn't. He didn't abandon her. He had a mental breakdown (indeed, in the weeks prior to him finally cracking he was in the midst of a downward spiral mentally). And Lucy knows about Ian's mental state. She referenced concern on the day he disappeared, and planned to phone a doctor. Her behaviour is inexcusable.

[KatrinaK]

Originally Posted by Louise32

I agree Ian shouldn't have left her to run the business and all the debts etc but it's not like he was stable.

And the fact he's come back a tramp should indicate to Lucy that her dad's not been in a good place.

Exactly. The fact that Ian has come back in the state that he is in changes everything.

A daughter, any with compassion would feel sympathy for thier father in the state. He's clearly mentally unwell. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

If Ian returned with the same frame of mind as before, I'd be totally behind Lucy in her hostility towards her dad.

[johwi0]

People talking about abandaning when my man had a nervous breakdown. This really shows how unloyal and thick Lucy is. Yes Ian is a unloyal ******** but when you see 1 of your family in that state, not to mention he genrely looks like he lost a few screws (even phill could see it) im pretty sure alot a people would help there own family

[johnnymc]

I think hetti has turned lucy into a much more sympathic character. You really root for her now she's stronger and lost her manipulative side I'm glad to see how the writers have reshaped the character.

[Akane Tendo]

Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect

He isn't. He didn't abandon her. He had a mental breakdown (indeed, in the weeks prior to him finally cracking he was in the midst of a downward spiral mentally). And Lucy knows about Ian's mental state. She referenced concern on the day he disappeared, and planned to phone a doctor. Her behaviour is inexcusable.

I can understand her being angry about the situation she was put in, but he was having a breakdown at the time. It's all been a strain on her, he just disappears now he's back and still not in his right mind.

[enderforever07]

I want Lucy to tackle a eating disorder .... It's not been done on EE before to my knowledge ...

[thejoyof_pat]

Originally Posted by johnnymc

I think hetti has turned lucy into a much more sympathic character. You really root for her now she's stronger and lost her manipulative side I'm glad to see how the writers have reshaped the character.

There is no 'rooting' from me.

[JarkdeLuxe]

Originally Posted by thejoyof_pat

There is no 'rooting' from me.

I think we gathered from your countless other posts detailing your hatred of her.

[simon.sharpe]

Originally Posted by enderforever07

I want Lucy to tackle a eating disorder .... It's not been done on EE before to my knowledge ...

i second this

[Lousiana]

Lucy could have gone to Max, Tanya or Alfie for help or even phoned Jane. It was her choice to struggle. I don't believe that Jane would 'take Bobby'. If she did it would only be temporary. Jane had a lot of compassion, she'd want to see Ian back on his feet.

I could understand Lucy's attitude if Ian had just swanned off somewhere and had been enjoying himself but he had a breakdown and disappeared. A different thing altogether. Lucy saw the erratic state Ian was in before he left and she must be able to see he is not right now.

Re: Ian choosing Mandy over Lucy. Lucy was the one who made him do that and Ian only chose Mandy because he wasn't thinking clearly at the time. In some ways Lucy is to blame for what's happened with Ian because she set out to break up his relationship which was the one thing he had going for himself. Now on some level I can see that Mandy and Ian's relationship was based on the midlife crisis Ian has been having for god knows how long but there's no denying how happy Mandy made him in the beginning. A lot of Lucy's preconceptions about Mandy were wrong anyway. If anyone was the user in that relationship it was Ian.

[thejoyof_pat]

Originally Posted by JarkdeLuxe

I think we gathered from your countless other posts detailing your hatred of her.

Just making sure my voice has been heard Thank Goodness it has.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by KatrinaK

Exactly. The fact that Ian has come back in the state that he is in changes everything.

A daughter, any with compassion would feel sympathy for thier father in the state. He's clearly mentally unwell. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

If Ian returned with the same frame of mind as before, I'd be totally behind Lucy in her hostility towards her dad.

Sums up exactly how I feel too.

I actually find her lack of compassion astounding. Just how selfish is this brat? No matter what my dad had done I'd be heartbroken to see him reduced to that yet she doesn't seem to care Ian didn't do it deliberately, he's mentally ill!

Originally Posted by Lousiana

Lucy could have gone to Max, Tanya or Alfie for help or even phoned Jane. It was her choice to struggle. I don't believe that Jane would 'take Bobby'. If she did it would only be temporary. Jane had a lot of compassion, she'd want to see Ian back on his feet.

I could understand Lucy's attitude if Ian had just swanned off somewhere and had been enjoying himself but he had a breakdown and disappeared. A different thing altogether. Lucy saw the erratic state Ian was in before he left and she must be able to see he is not right now.

Re: Ian choosing Mandy over Lucy. Lucy was the one who made him do that and Ian only chose Mandy because he wasn't thinking clearly at the time. In some ways Lucy is to blame for what's happened with Ian because she set out to break up his relationship which was the one thing he had going for himself. Now on some level I can see that Mandy and Ian's relationship was based on the midlife crisis Ian has been having for god knows how long but there's no denying how happy Mandy made him in the beginning. A lot of Lucy's preconceptions about Mandy were wrong anyway. If anyone was the user in that relationship it was Ian.

Another good post that I agree with

[Parric74]

Originally Posted by DODS11

Her dad is a douche though. I'd be selfish and uncaring if my dad left me alone with two businesses, debts and absolutely no money to live on. I'd hate him. I wouldn't care that he came back a big tramp, I'd be too busy absolutely raging.

Also Lucy doesn't really know what a state he is (mentally), she's only given him enough time to realise he's returned and that he's a tramp. She doesn't really know he's shut down mentally.

Yes Lucy does know he has had a mental breakdown because Tanya told her.

It worries me that people are saying that they would react the same as Lucy if it happened to them. Has society got that selfish that you wouldn't help your own Father when found in such a state. Lucy overreacted tonight when Ian came into the café. She had run three business (how I don't know) and thinks that it all belongs to her now. I hope she comes to her senses soon as she may just loose everything.

[Jamesthethird]

Originally Posted by Louise32

I hope Lucy has a nervous breakdown!

Originally Posted by Louise32

Well she's that uncaring and nasty.

Oh you

[maurice45]

I could sympathise with her when she was worried aboutIan and thinking that he abandoned her. We knew what happened but she didn't, she assumed he'd just been living elsewhere. The burnen of having to look after her younger brother, repay her dad's debts and keep the businesses afloat must have been hard.

BUT...and this is a huge but....when she saw her dad in the state that he was in, she'd have known that something was wrong with him. He wasn't in the right frame of mind. And to hold something against someone who clearly isn't thinking straight (and not under the influence of anything, I might add, just an emotional and mental wreck) is wrong. Ian's not even able to think straight long enough to string a sentence together. And Lucy STILL doesn't see this, or just doesn't care about what her dad's been through. She thinks SHE had it hard...I don't want the bratty girl to have a breakdown, I just want her to grow up.

[JarkdeLuxe]

She already has grown up. She's obviously toughing it out because it's frightening for her to have to see her dad like some kind of invalid.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Lousiana

Lucy could have gone to Max, Tanya or Alfie for help or even phoned Jane. It was her choice to struggle. I don't believe that Jane would 'take Bobby'. If she did it would only be temporary. Jane had a lot of compassion, she'd want to see Ian back on his feet.

I could understand Lucy's attitude if Ian had just swanned off somewhere and had been enjoying himself but he had a breakdown and disappeared. A different thing altogether. Lucy saw the erratic state Ian was in before he left and she must be able to see he is not right now.

Re: Ian choosing Mandy over Lucy. Lucy was the one who made him do that and Ian only chose Mandy because he wasn't thinking clearly at the time. In some ways Lucy is to blame for what's happened with Ian because she set out to break up his relationship which was the one thing he had going for himself. Now on some level I can see that Mandy and Ian's relationship was based on the midlife crisis Ian has been having for god knows how long but there's no denying how happy Mandy made him in the beginning. A lot of Lucy's preconceptions about Mandy were wrong anyway. If anyone was the user in that relationship it was Ian.

(Your point about Lucy forcing a clearly irrational Ian to choose) Bingo. She not only put him on the spot, she also set out to deliberately ruin his relationship. Ian was clearly in love with Mandy, in fact, he was obsessing over her. The strain of keeping everything together (the businesses which were losing money and Ben's secret) as well as having to deal with a bratty daughter must have taken their toll on him, and Mandy, to him, represented all that was good in his life. Her leaving wrecked Ian, and Lucy knew that.