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Old 15-08-2012, 00:14
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I remember that little war thing started a bit ago but seemed to die down pretty quickly. The only reason I like their scenes is cos Phil seems to be the only one not scared of Derek. Do you think they will start it up again?
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Old 15-08-2012, 00:21
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I hated those scenes, the turf war stuff was so crap, derek being there for 5mins and claiming his the king of walford.
The only scene i would love to see is derek getting punched by everyone his treated like shit.
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Old 15-08-2012, 00:24
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I hated those scenes, the turf war stuff was so crap, derek being there for 5mins and claiming his the king of walford.
The only scene i would love to see is derek getting punched by everyone his treated like shit.
I agree it would be nice to see more people standing up to him. EE has a lack of 'hard men' at the moment, not that I'd want it to turn all gangster, just they all seem a bit pansy when it comes to physical confrontation.
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Old 15-08-2012, 01:49
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derek seems more suited as the deadbeat dad trying to make a go at it with his estranged children. Than the crime lord he was first introduced as.The stuff with phil never rang true and seemed forced.2 middle-aged men with bloated faces talking tough in close proximity just made me feel nauseous
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Old 15-08-2012, 01:54
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I hated those scenes, the turf war stuff was so crap, derek being there for 5mins and claiming his the king of walford.
The only scene i would love to see is derek getting punched by everyone his treated like shit.
Derek could do with a good knuckle sandwich couldn't he I'd like to see Michael beat the absolute crap out of him, or get him sent to prison and mock him and laugh at him as he gets dragged away. Derek deserves it.
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Old 15-08-2012, 01:55
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Derek could do with a good knuckle sandwich couldn't he I'd like to see Michael beat the absolute crap out of him, or get him sent to prison and mock him and laugh at him as he gets dragged away. Derek deserves it.
Yes yes yes i would love that to happen.
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Old 15-08-2012, 01:55
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I agree it would be nice to see more people standing up to him. EE has a lack of 'hard men' at the moment, not that I'd want it to turn all gangster, just they all seem a bit pansy when it comes to physical confrontation.
The only physically imposing figure on the Square at the moment is Ray, a tall, well-built, military-trained sports enthusiast. We've seen him stand up to Derek in the past, but so far Ray has thrown a grand total of 0 punches during his stint.
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Old 15-08-2012, 02:42
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The only physically imposing figure on the Square at the moment is Ray, a tall, well-built, military-trained sports enthusiast. We've seen him stand up to Derek in the past, but so far Ray has thrown a grand total of 0 punches during his stint.
I like that. Someone who isn't anything like Phil or Derek, no looking for fights or trouble but isn't afraid to stand up for himself. I'm sick of the usual idiots coming to square acting all tough & ending up with some stupid war with Phil :yawn:

Seriously who on earth would be scared of Phil or Derek IRL? Amy's scarier. And she's mute!
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Old 15-08-2012, 02:46
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I like that. Someone who isn't anything like Phil or Derek, no looking for fights or trouble but isn't afraid to stand up for himself. I'm sick of the usual idiots coming to square acting all tough & ending up with some stupid war with Phil :yawn:

Seriously who on earth would be scared of Phil or Derek IRL? Amy's scarier. And she's mute!
Yeah, I'm glad Ray hasn't gone around threatening people, but I like the idea of him putting Derek in his place if he gets out of hand.
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Old 15-08-2012, 04:04
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You might like that ray isnt a hard man but those are the most interesting characters.There is nothing to ray at all
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Old 15-08-2012, 04:11
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You might like that ray isnt a hard man but those are the most interesting characters.There is nothing to ray at all
Ray is interesting, his got his relationship with kim and being a father to his kids, at least he not a bully like derek, ray a decent bloke.
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Old 15-08-2012, 06:46
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There's more to being a strong character than just going around punching people.
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Old 15-08-2012, 07:39
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I think the difference with Phil and Derek, Phil is more likely to use his fists were Derek will engage some one else to do his dirty work. Phil as far as I can remember has never hit a woman but Derek has and also intimidated his own sister.
I think Derek is not as strong as Phil if it did come to blows, Phil would win I think.
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Old 15-08-2012, 08:11
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I think the difference with Phil and Derek, Phil is more likely to use his fists were Derek will engage some one else to do his dirty work. Phil as far as I can remember has never hit a woman but Derek has and also intimidated his own sister.
I think Derek is not as strong as Phil if it did come to blows, Phil would win I think.
Phil has always used other people to do his dirty work. And he hit Kathy, Lisa and Sharon in the past.
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Old 15-08-2012, 08:23
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Phil has always used other people to do his dirty work. And he hit Kathy, Lisa and Sharon in the past.
That's something I honestly don't recall. I know he is not afraid of using his fists though but don't remember him hitting women.

I now Derek hires all kinds of people to do dodgy work for him.
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Old 15-08-2012, 08:38
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That's something I honestly don't recall. I know he is not afraid of using his fists though but don't remember him hitting women.

I now Derek hires all kinds of people to do dodgy work for him.
I think the difference between Phil and Derek is that Phil, for all his faults, is a businessman and has worked hard to build his empire and has earned a reputation in that time. Derek is nothing but a bully, he doesn't have anything of his own, and just goes around intimidating people weaker than himself - ie Anthony, Tyler, Michael; and taunting Pat on her deathbed, which was utterly despicable and made me HATE the character instantly. Phil would never have done something like that; Derek is scum.
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Old 15-08-2012, 09:11
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I think the difference between Phil and Derek is that Phil, for all his faults, is a businessman and has worked hard to build his empire and has earned a reputation in that time. Derek is nothing but a bully, he doesn't have anything of his own, and just goes around intimidating people weaker than himself - ie Anthony, Tyler, Michael; and taunting Pat on her deathbed, which was utterly despicable and made me HATE the character instantly. Phil would never have done something like that; Derek is scum.
My views totally. Well said. Phil has his faults but he also has a compassionate part to him. Derek as you say is an out and out bully who wants everything for nothing. Thought it was awful the way he was with Carol his sister, that was terrible. I don't actually like his character. I hate characters with these traits who are seemed to be glorified in a way. There is never any one to bring them down.
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Old 15-08-2012, 14:18
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I sort of wish Tyler hadn't had a personality transplant cos when he first came in there was no way he would have been scared of Derek. But now suddenly he's the meek metrosexual type.
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Old 15-08-2012, 14:21
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That's something I honestly don't recall. I know he is not afraid of using his fists though but don't remember him hitting women.

I now Derek hires all kinds of people to do dodgy work for him.
didnt he hit kathy when they were together and he definitely bullied lisa. he punched sharon in the vic infront of everyone.
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