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It Takes Two - Biased and unfair?!
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pony
04-12-2004
I'm not a dancer, so I can't get into technical ability - but the charisma that Denise exudes is tremendous. By contrast, I hardly get a flicker of charisma from Jill. If I was from another country, and was asked to pick the actress out of the two ladies without knowing any better, I'd pick Denise every time. There is so much drama, flamboyance and emotion in every performance!
Lutonarethebest
04-12-2004
Originally Posted by pony:
“I'm not a dancer, so I can't get into technical ability - but the charisma that Denise exudes is tremendous. By contrast, I hardly get a flicker of charisma from Jill. If I was from another country, and was asked to pick the actress out of the two ladies without knowing any better, I'd pick Denise every time. There is so much drama, flamboyance and emotion in every performance!”

Which is like what Bruno said. She is an athlete not a performer but she gives a performance as well as impressive dancing. Alrite Jill and Darren may have the moves down to a tee but there is no charisma.....no extra umpf there. The only one I saw a bit of it was in last weeks Cha Cha Cha but that was the only time.
CaptainSensible
04-12-2004
I pick up more charisma (and fun/sparkle) from Jill because she is more my type I guess; it's a subjective thing, but it doesn't make me appreciate Denise any less. Perhaps I warm to Jill because I think she combines talent with a personality, whereas I think Natasha K is just talented (I think Denise has much more personality than her though).

On the technical side of things, Jill is more precise with her feet and hands and is better at "going solo" whereas Denise has much more poise and better posture etc. If you gave Denise Jill's hands and feet, you would have the perfect dancer (probably).

I'm delighted that both of them in the final though.
Swonky
04-12-2004
Originally Posted by pony:
“I'm not a dancer, so I can't get into technical ability - but the charisma that Denise exudes is tremendous. By contrast, I hardly get a flicker of charisma from Jill. If I was from another country, and was asked to pick the actress out of the two ladies without knowing any better, I'd pick Denise every time. There is so much drama, flamboyance and emotion in every performance!”

Well as a Jill fan I'd like to respond to this.

For me it's the same only swapped. When Jill comes on to dance I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to be totally 'wowed' by her. I love her passion out there, I love how much effort she puts in, how technically perfect she is and I love her and Darren. I think she oozes charisma. I was in a pub when Jill did her Jive a few weeks ago and a room full of people just stopped talking/drinking and sat open mouthed at her. She's stunningly good.

I think Denise is a lovely lovely lady, I really like her and her dancing is also wonderful. Her commitment to the dance is evident on her face and is something that only Jill and her have (Julian just looks bored !) and again, technically she's pretty near perfect. However the difference is that watching her I just see a man in drag. That sounds harsh, but she has a muscular athletic body, she's very tall and large framed and I don't get any sense of elegence or 'ballroom' from her, even though technically she's an excellent dancer.

I think that's what seperates the two for me, although I wish they could both win as they both deserve it !
CaptainSensible
04-12-2004
I think Denise is very elegant, but I am just warmer to people from an acting/theatre background than I am to people from an athletics background (as much as I liked Roger & Camilla, Roger did have a bit of the personality challenged David Brent thing going on). I am big fan of Julian (but not his dancing), but I feel less enamoured with Aled when I see one of his albums (and him advertising it) on daytime telly! All subjective and very silly, but it obviously matters.

I voted for the first time tonight (10x for Denise), but she still got the least number of votes. I won't be voting in the final, as I think Jill & Denise would both be worthy winners.
dome
04-12-2004
Originally Posted by Lutonarethebest:
“How'd u work that one out? I know the British public cant think for themselves but thats a bit harsh. Im glad they worked to get her in the final but it was clear for a martian to see that Julian was weakest on the nite. They didnt need that harshness of the judges to see that. even he said its not right, its not right when he got through. What about the harshness to Jill and Darren?”

It always seems to be the harsher you are the more likely the GBP will vote. Even Simon Cowell has learnt that lesson.


Jill and Darren are the run away favourites so didn't need to win the judges vote. Diane and Ian have not won the public over so needed the top marks from the judges to help them survive.
Lutonarethebest
04-12-2004
Originally Posted by Swonky:
“Well as a Jill fan I'd like to respond to this.

For me it's the same only swapped. When Jill comes on to dance I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to be totally 'wowed' by her. I love her passion out there, I love how much effort she puts in, how technically perfect she is and I love her and Darren. I think she oozes charisma. I was in a pub when Jill did her Jive a few weeks ago and a room full of people just stopped talking/drinking and sat open mouthed at her. She's stunningly good.

I think Denise is a lovely lovely lady, I really like her and her dancing is also wonderful. Her commitment to the dance is evident on her face and is something that only Jill and her have (Julian just looks bored !) and again, technically she's pretty near perfect. However the difference is that watching her I just see a man in drag. That sounds harsh, but she has a muscular athletic body, she's very tall and large framed and I don't get any sense of elegence or 'ballroom' from her, even though technically she's an excellent dancer.

I think that's what seperates the two for me, although I wish they could both win as they both deserve it !”

I hear wht ur saying about Jill but that was a bit harsh on Denise. Yes shes atheletically built but I wouldn't go as far as saying she's a man in drag. Come on now. Also I tend to remember Denise's dances more. Its like in the Samba. Who's springs to mind? Denise's or Jill's?
minihoy
05-12-2004
Originally Posted by Lutonarethebest:
“A lady up North. Hes gonna be a lollipop man.......sorry person. Being PC. I actually cant wait to see his Jive. From rehersals it looked pretty sharp. ”

A lady up north?? It looked like on the map she was from the Midlands!!!! Anything North of Watford eh??

Nat
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minihoy
05-12-2004
Originally Posted by pony:
“I'm not a dancer, so I can't get into technical ability - but the charisma that Denise exudes is tremendous. By contrast, I hardly get a flicker of charisma from Jill. If I was from another country, and was asked to pick the actress out of the two ladies without knowing any better, I'd pick Denise every time. There is so much drama, flamboyance and emotion in every performance!”

I agree pony....Jill is technically brilliant but there is no excitement there....it is too mechanical...learning the moves and just copying them...no passion at all!!

Nat
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Lutonarethebest
05-12-2004
Originally Posted by minihoy:
“A lady up north?? It looked like on the map she was from the Midlands!!!! Anything North of Watford eh??

Nat
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Yeah. Nething North of Luton is up North.
marieb
05-12-2004
Originally Posted by Lutonarethebest:
“Yeah. Nething North of Luton is up North. ”

Actually it was Southampton. The reason I remember this is because my sister lives there and I was going to ask her to send me the evening paper when he's done it.
minihoy
06-12-2004
Originally Posted by marieb:
“Actually it was Southampton. The reason I remember this is because my sister lives there and I was going to ask her to send me the evening paper when he's done it.”

So to be fair it couldn't have less been up north!!!! duh!!!

Nat
xxx
Lutonarethebest
07-12-2004
Denise on ITT Tonite. Did she come across as arrogant, self-obbsessed or any oter horrible thing that people have said about her on this board? No. Also is it me or did the questions Claudia asked seem a bit of. To Jill and Darren it was all did u have fun, how did u feel about the judges comments and are u looking forwrd to Blackpool. To Denise it was would u be livid if Julian did better that u? Why didnt she ask the same question to Jill? Is she inadvertently saying that Jill and Darren have no1 to worry about?
Lutonarethebest
07-12-2004
Originally Posted by minihoy:
“So to be fair it couldn't have less been up north!!!! duh!!!

Nat
xxx”

Well who cares where it is! We'll know for sure when they show the VT of the whole thing. I cant wait to see the DuBeke in that bright yellow coat and that huge lollipop! I think he mite scare kids. My friend thinks he looks like the Pilot from Farscape lol but I think he's lovely
I think I mite have a soft spot for Craig as well I fancy the most unsuitable guys!
minihoy
08-12-2004
Originally Posted by Lutonarethebest:
“Well who cares where it is! We'll know for sure when they show the VT of the whole thing. I cant wait to see the DuBeke in that bright yellow coat and that huge lollipop! I think he mite scare kids. My friend thinks he looks like the Pilot from Farscape lol but I think he's lovely
I think I mite have a soft spot for Craig as well I fancy the most unsuitable guys! ”

Craig!?!?!?! Crazieness!!!! Since u have a softspot ofr Monsieur Du Beke will u be voting for him in the Xmas Special??? This is my mission - a Lesley and Anton Promotion!!!!! Looking forward to seeing him in the Lollipop outfit!!!!

Nat
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Lutonarethebest
08-12-2004
Originally Posted by minihoy:
“Craig!?!?!?! Crazieness!!!! Since u have a softspot ofr Monsieur Du Beke will u be voting for him in the Xmas Special??? This is my mission - a Lesley and Anton Promotion!!!!! Looking forward to seeing him in the Lollipop outfit!!!!

Nat
xxx”

Well thats where I've been going stir crazy......sad I know. I am a fan of the Cole and Kaplinsky but I like the DuBeke and the Lewis. Its all so confusing. I've decided that I'm gonna vote for the one who moves me best on the nite to placate all the different peeps in my head
Yeah tell me about it. Its this sick think I have. I was known to have a bit of a crush on the Cowell! I even surprised myself then and put it down to momentary madness! There was just no other explanation for it!
sparkle21
25-08-2005
Originally Posted by Lutonarethebest:
“I think I mite have a soft spot for Craig as well I fancy the most unsuitable guys! ”

me too!!!
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