[serton]

In series 5, there was the voice in the TARDIS. I may have missed something, having not got them on DVD (I'm waiting till my TV dies so I can go all Bluray), but has this been addressed?

Was there ever an explanation for who this was?

[Listentome]

This has been discussed on many threads. But you'd have to do a lot of searching around to find it.

The two many theories are:

1) No it hasn't yet been explained. And...

2) This one I think is the most likely - It was an early version of the voice of a Silent. The voice was given a make-over for series 6.

[serton]

Thanks, I was beginning to think I had missed something. I had a look online and what not but couldn't find anything recent that referred to it.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by serton

Thanks, I was beginning to think I had missed something. I had a look online and what not but couldn't find anything recent that referred to it.

The only real clues are what they're talking about (the relevation that Silence Will Fall referred to the Doctor's death), and a blink-and-you'll-miss-it Confidential clip where a crew member mentions the voice being that of the Silence.

It makes more sense when we found out that not all of the Silence are Silents, so it could easily be a human doing the talking.

[The Alpha Gamer]

Originally Posted by Listentome

This has been discussed on many threads. But you'd have to do a lot of searching around to find it.

The two many theories are:

1) No it hasn't yet been explained. And...

2) This one I think is the most likely - It was an early version of the voice of a Silent. The voice was given a make-over for series 6.

3) It's Omega

[allen_who]

even if it was a silent or silence, it hasn't been explained how it got into the Tardis to begin with and indeed if there is still one there now.

So there is certainly still some explaining to be done

[LurgidBee]

Originally Posted by allen_who

even if it was a silent or silence, it hasn't been explained how it got into the Tardis to begin with and indeed if there is still one there now...

...or, for that matter, what it hoped to achieve by blowing up the tardis and hence ending the universe.

one theory put forward on a thread somewhere suggested that it wanted the doctor to reboot the universe and bring back rory and hence allow river to be born. but this seems a bit far-fetched way to kill the doctor.

a more likely story is that steven moffat hadn't thought that far yet and since then his story has evolved to a point where it would be easier to leave these questions forgotten.

but who knows, he may yet pull all these threads together.

[Sara_Peplow]

I think it is suppose to be the lady from 5.6 TVOV

[Philip_Lamb]

TVOV and a few other episodes presented the silence as a phenomenom rather than a species or organisation. It seems like Moffats making it up as he goes, too much of it seems random or not to make sense and just doesn`t fit

[Fire Host]

Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb

TVOV and a few other episodes presented the silence as a phenomenom rather than a species or organisation. It seems like Moffats making it up as he goes, too much of it seems random or not to make sense and just doesn`t fit

Oh, I dunno. Alternative interpretations are possible. 'We ran from the Silence [the religious organisation]' makes sense, as does 'There are cracks. Through some we saw [Silents] and the end of all things'. OK, it's a bit of stretch...

Perhaps the 'silence' they saw behind the cracks is just the time energy from the exploded Tardis?

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by LurgidBee

...or, for that matter, what it hoped to achieve by blowing up the tardis and hence ending the universe.

one theory put forward on a thread somewhere suggested that it wanted the doctor to reboot the universe and bring back rory and hence allow river to be born. but this seems a bit far-fetched way to kill the doctor.

a more likely story is that steven moffat hadn't thought that far yet and since then his story has evolved to a point where it would be easier to leave these questions forgotten.

but who knows, he may yet pull all these threads together.

You my friend, talk my language

[Listentome]

Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb

TVOV and a few other episodes presented the silence as a phenomenom rather than a species or organisation. It seems like Moffats making it up as he goes, too much of it seems random or not to make sense and just doesn`t fit

I don't think it's making it up as he goes along but rather keeping them mysterious. The Doctor finds out more about them as he goes along.

[The Gatherer]

Originally Posted by Listentome

I don't think it's making it up as he goes along but rather keeping them mysterious. The Doctor finds out more about them as he goes along.

Your faith in Moffat is touching. If he returns to this in 2012 or 2013, which I very much doubt, what casual viewer is going to remember or be interested in something that happened in 2010?

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb

TVOV and a few other episodes presented the silence as a phenomenom rather than a species or organisation. It seems like Moffats making it up as he goes, too much of it seems random or not to make sense and just doesn`t fit

You could be right. That's certainly my view. Luckily it's entertaining, even if baffling.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by allen_who

even if it was a silent or silence, it hasn't been explained how it got into the Tardis to begin with and indeed if there is still one there now.

What makes you think the Silence have to actually be in the TARDIS? It is capable of picking up transmissions, you know.

Originally Posted by LurgidBee

...or, for that matter, what it hoped to achieve by blowing up the tardis and hence ending the universe.

You're assuming that the destruction of the universe was their aim - it seems more likely that their aim was to kill the Doctor, and their plan had unwanted consequences. Given that their stated aim is to stop the end of the universe...

Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb

TVOV and a few other episodes presented the silence as a phenomenom rather than a species or organisation. It seems like Moffats making it up as he goes, too much of it seems random or not to make sense and just doesn`t fit

You're assuming that the silence that the vampires referred to was The Silence. Their description of the cracks, some to other places, and some into silence, and the end of all things, is consistent with what we know about the cracks. Same word, different meanings.

Just like it turned out "Silence Will Fall" referred not to the race, or the organisation directly, but to the Doctor's silence. The organisation was named after the quietness, not the other way round.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn

What makes you think the Silence have to actually be in the TARDIS? It is capable of picking up transmissions, you know.


You're assuming that the destruction of the universe was their aim - it seems more likely that their aim was to kill the Doctor, and their plan had unwanted consequences. Given that their stated aim is to stop the end of the universe...


You're assuming that the silence that the vampires referred to was The Silence. Their description of the cracks, some to other places, and some into silence, and the end of all things, is consistent with what we know about the cracks. Same word, different meanings.

Just like it turned out "Silence Will Fall" referred not to the race, or the organisation directly, but to the Doctor's silence. The organisation was named after the quietness, not the other way round.

I had no idea that it was possible to blow something up by receiving transmissions. Can you elaborate?

[ukgnome]

Most likely a time echo, and it was in fact the doctor himself (talking into a bucket)

[sebbie3000]

Originally Posted by allen_who

I had no idea that it was possible to blow something up by receiving transmissions. Can you elaborate?

I'm sure I've heard of this new technology, highly experimental, called 'remote control'. It is far-fetched, I know, but...

I think jonny was referring to the voice, when talking about transmissions. And we've seen that a few times.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by allen_who

I had no idea that it was possible to blow something up by receiving transmissions. Can you elaborate?

No. Because we were talking about the voice.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by sebbie3000

I'm sure I've heard of this new technology, highly experimental, called 'remote control'. It is far-fetched, I know, but...

I think jonny was referring to the voice, when talking about transmissions. And we've seen that a few times.

Even if it was remote control it still needs explaining better. Why blow it up at that moment? How was a remote controlled bomb placed in the Tardis in the first place?

Anyway, aside from all that., I'm sure there was a line in an episode where the doc say's to Amy or Rory 'something or someone is inside the tardis'... I may stand to be corrected and may have that slightly wrong as it all seems so long ago now

[Granny McSmith]

I thought the point of the Pandorica, and locking the Doctor up therein was to prevent the blowing up of the Tardis (and therefore the Universe) but the Monsters' Alliance were mistaken in thinking that only the Doctor could fly the tardis - because River was in it, it blew up anyway.

As I type this, I realise again how little sense it all makes. Maybe I'll watch it again to try and fathom it out. (Lest anyone accuse me of being anti-Moffat, I love TPO!)

As for the voice, I've no idea, and I don't think anyone else has either, (including Moffat). I don't really think it's enough to say it may all be revealed in 2-3 years time. Most viewers will have forgotten all about it by then.

It's always good to see those who say it all makes perfect sense struggling with convoluted explanations, though, rather than admit it doesn't.

(Sorry, johnny, I'm only teasing. )

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

I thought the point of the Pandorica, and locking the Doctor up therein was to prevent the blowing up of the Tardis (and therefore the Universe) but the Monsters' Alliance were mistaken in thinking that only the Doctor could fly the tardis - because River was in it, it blew up anyway.

Yes. Yes, it was. The Pandorica was created as a response to the consequences of the assassination attempt. The Pandorica was not the creation of The Silence.

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

As for the voice, I've no idea, and I don't think anyone else has either, (including Moffat). I don't really think it's enough to say it may all be revealed in 2-3 years time. Most viewers will have forgotten all about it by then.

It's not going to revealed in 2-3 years time. We already got the reveal. It was just a reminder that someone was plotting against the Doctor, and who they were was unravelled across Series 6.

There is nothing convoluted about it. There only convolutions are from those who insist that it must be complicated and mysterious.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn

Yes. Yes, it was. The Pandorica was created as a response to the consequences of the assassination attempt. The Pandorica was not the creation of The Silence.


It's not going to revealed in 2-3 years time. We already got the reveal. It was just a reminder that someone was plotting against the Doctor, and who they were was unravelled across Series 6.

There is nothing convoluted about it. There only convolutions are from those who insist that it must be complicated and mysterious.

So who was it then Johnny? I have to say it seems very convoluted to me. Still don't even know who those spaceship landing prints belonged to if I'm being honest

[Listentome]

Originally Posted by The Gatherer

Your faith in Moffat is touching. If he returns to this in 2012 or 2013, which I very much doubt, what casual viewer is going to remember or be interested in something that happened in 2010?

It's not about having a 'touching' faith in Moffat, but rather an acknowledgment that story telling is something that unfolds and not every writer has a clear idea of how they will get from A to Z. Yes of course at times the conclusion can seem rushed or ill thoughtout. But its about the journey as much as the conclusion. I have no problem with that.

For me a writer can't be primarily concerned with the casual viewer (big clue in the word casual .) Doctor Who has a history of referencing past things, if the casual viewer doesn't remember so be it. The thing is if they are a casual viewer, they probably won't care. But it would be a shame if Doctor Who writing didn't do things for the fans. There's plenty of throw away entertainment also included for the casuals.

There are loads of shows that are purely episodic, so it demands frequent viewing, even on kids shows. So why not Doctor Who? If people enjoy something I don't see a problem with writing it from the perspective that viewers have some commitment to the programme.

[Corwin]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Still don't even know who those spaceship landing prints belonged to if I'm being honest

The Nestenes when they went to collect Amys memories.