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Old 19-08-2012, 14:16
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People have been saying they should of stopped it after it finished in 2009.

Now, if they did that we wouldn't have got One Direction, Cher Lloyd and Rebecca Ferguson - 3 of the the most successful X Factor UK contestants globally!

If its had it's day, why do you all tune in weekly to watch it and discuss it on an X Factor forum?

People on here make no sense.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:19
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It peaked in 2008 I think. That was when the main draw was watching real amateur talent on a singing show, since then it's relied more and more on tricks and stunts and controversy.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:21
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I remember people saying Sharon was jumping from the sinking ship when she left in 2008. The general concensus on DS boards is that people watch these shows but love to see them fail and love to moan. Same with Big Brother.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:22
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big brother is sinking, but dont know about x factor
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:22
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It peaked in 2008 I think. That was when the main draw was watching real amateur talent on a singing show, since then it's relied more and more on tricks and stunts and controversy.
Yet 2010 produces more stars than any other series...

One Direction - worlds biggest boyband.
Rebecca Ferguson - Successful album in the USA.
Cher Lloyd - Going to cell 1 000 000 copies of her single in the UK this week. Album looks set to sell well.

No other series has ever produced such talent.
Of course Leona Lewis in 2006, but that was ONE person.

It quite obviously hasn't peaked when people are going off to the USA and doing that well.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:24
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I remember people saying Sharon was jumping from the sinking ship when she left in 2008. The general concensus on DS boards is that people watch these shows but love to see them fail and love to moan. Same with Big Brother.
This sums it up perfectly!
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:32
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Because it's changed so much from the show it used to be. It used to be about watching the judges pick good talent out from a bunch of people, most of who thought they had talent when they didn't, and then given to us to decide who is the best.

Now it's a show where the auditioness are put in front of a huge audience and publicly humiliated for entertainment, where bad singers are put through to the finals for the sake of 'entertainment', where people are kept in the competition regardless of whether they are voted in or not.

It's not what it used to be. The way X Factor is now I don't want it to stay around, but the way X Factor used to be was really good so I don't want it to end either.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:38
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Because it's changed so much from the show it used to be. It used to be about watching the judges pick good talent out from a bunch of people, most of who thought they had talent when they didn't, and then given to us to decide who is the best.

Now it's a show where the auditioness are put in front of a huge audience and publicly humiliated for entertainment, where bad singers are put through to the finals for the sake of 'entertainment', where people are kept in the competition regardless of whether they are voted in or not.

It's not what it used to be. The way X Factor is now I don't want it to stay around, but the way X Factor used to be was really good so I don't want it to end either.
But you're wrong. The judges do decide the best talent to go through. Rebecca Ferguson, Cher Lloyd and One Direction all put through by the judges, and the latter made by the judges, and these 3 have gone on to become 3 of the most successful artist in the history of the show - this was only in 2010.

Last year we had Misha B - one of the best vocalists in the shows entire run. Little Mix - a new, fresh girlband that the market needed. Amelia Lily - a great voice. Sophie Habibas - didn't get far but my god her voice was great.

I dont think the X FACTOR has had its day. I think the Public vote has had its day. The public dont vote for who they think will have the best recording career - which is what the show is based on.

Joe
Shane
Steve
Matt
Leon

had no "X Factor about them" but people who never won in their series...
Olly
Maria
G4
Cher, One Direction and Rebecca
Ryhdian, Nikki
all had the X Factor - but weren't voted to win.

Even Alexandra Burke - does she have a good voice? Yes, she has a fantastic voice. But Diana and Ruth were far superior to her because they both had that special something - they had the X factor.

Its the publics fault that this show is loosing ratings, not the judges, the producers or the contestants. Because 9 times out of 10 the best contestants are put through to the judges houses, and then onto the live shows.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:44
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Now it's a show where the auditioness are put in front of a huge audience and publicly humiliated for entertainment, where bad singers are put through to the finals for the sake of 'entertainment', where people are kept in the competition regardless of whether they are voted in or not.

It's not what it used to be. The way X Factor is now I don't want it to stay around, but the way X Factor used to be was really good so I don't want it to end either.
First bit in bold - how much of a difference does an audience of 5,000 at the audition make when it's an audience of 10m at home?

Second bit in bold - Chico was the first novelty act designed purely as a wind up for Simon Cowell to pretend to be furious about. The MacDonald Brothers followed the next year, the total opposite of The X Factor but got everyone talking.

Third bit in bold - been happening ever since the first series. And has actually been a huge part of the shows success with all the controversy and chatter it has generated from The Irish Mafia to Ruth/Laura White, Jedward/Lucie and some others too.
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Old 19-08-2012, 14:53
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But you're wrong. The judges do decide the best talent to go through. Rebecca Ferguson, Cher Lloyd and One Direction all put through by the judges, and the latter made by the judges, and these 3 have gone on to become 3 of the most successful artist in the history of the show - this was only in 2010.

Last year we had Misha B - one of the best vocalists in the shows entire run. Little Mix - a new, fresh girlband that the market needed. Amelia Lily - a great voice. Sophie Habibas - didn't get far but my god her voice was great.
Frankie, Wagner, Katie, Jedward. These were not the best of the auditionees, these were people put through for 'entertainment'.

I dont think the X FACTOR has had its day. I think the Public vote has had its day. The public dont vote for who they think will have the best recording career - which is what the show is based on.
It's already pretty meaningless because other than the final the Judges can keep in anybody they want. They can even take someone right from the auditions to the final 5 dispite what the public want as was shown last year.

Joe
Shane
Steve
Matt
Leon
Leona
Alexandra
Little Mix

If you're going to list the winners, you kind of have to list them all.

had no "X Factor about them" but people who never won in their series...
Olly
Maria
G4
Cher, One Direction and Rebecca
Ryhdian, Nikki
all had the X Factor - but weren't voted to win.
The winners had the best voices, they were the best of the series (apart from Steve, I didn't watch that year so can't really comment). Those people you have listed, none of them were the best of their year, none of them were the most popular either or they would have won.

Even Alexandra Burke - does she have a good voice? Yes, she has a fantastic voice. But Diana and Ruth were far superior to her because they both had that special something - they had the X factor.

Its the publics fault that this show is loosing ratings, not the judges, the producers or the contestants. Because 9 times out of 10 the best contestants are put through to the judges houses.
I agree that Alexandra Burke was not the best that year, but that's one year and to be honest there wasn't really a very good pool of talent that year. Last year as well, there wasn't very good talent put through to the finals.

The public vote has been around since the very start - if that was the problem then why did people go from liking the show to disliking the show? Explain how what is wrong has been around since day one when people who used to love the show don't any more. In fact, two of the more recent winners you didn't even include in your list of winners who supposedly weren't who should have won. Remember that's according to you - not the majority of people watching the show or they wouldn't have gotten the majority of the votes.

First bit in bold - how much of a difference does an audience of 5,000 at the audition make when it's an audience of 10m at home?

Second bit in bold - Chico was the first novelty act designed purely as a wind up for Simon Cowell to pretend to be furious about. The MacDonald Brothers followed the next year, the total opposite of The X Factor but got everyone talking.

Third bit in bold - been happening ever since the first series. And has actually been a huge part of the shows success with all the controversy and chatter it has generated from The Irish Mafia to Ruth/Laura White, Jedward/Lucie and some others too.
The difference is huge, now instead of just being let down by the judge, they get an entire crowd of people booing at them and laughing at them.

Chico could sing, yes he was there for entertainment but there is a huge difference between say him and Wagner and that's that one of them can sing and the other can't.

No it hasn't. The bottom two generates controversy but there didn't used to be acts who were voted into the bottom 2 four times before they eventually left the competition.
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:08
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It's crazy to say that a show that still goes 8-10m viewers has had its day! 99% of other shows would just kill for those ratings. Last night there was people on my Facebook slagging the show off, but they were actually watching it, so I think people think its cool to hate X factor.
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:09
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It peaked in 2008 I think. That was when the main draw was watching real amateur talent on a singing show, since then it's relied more and more on tricks and stunts and controversy.
It hardly peaked in 2008 because the talent was better in 2010. Last year was apalling so this year can only be an improvement.
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:13
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Leona
Alexandra
Little Mix

If you're going to list the winners, you kind of have to list them all.




The winners had the best voices, they were the best of the series (apart from Steve, I didn't watch that year so can't really comment). Those people you have listed, none of them were the best of their year, none of them were the most popular either or they would have won.



I agree that Alexandra Burke was not the best that year, but that's one year and to be honest there wasn't really a very good pool of talent that year. Last year as well, there wasn't very good talent put through to the finals.

The public vote has been around since the very start - if that was the problem then why did people go from liking the show to disliking the show? Explain how what is wrong has been around since day one when people who used to love the show don't any more. In fact, two of the more recent winners you didn't even include in your list of winners who supposedly weren't who should have won. Remember that's according to you - not the majority of people watching the show or they wouldn't have gotten the majority of the votes.


The winners have not had the best voices. Only...
Leona has had the best of the series.

Series 1 - Rowetta
Series 2 - Maria/Brenda
Series 3 - Leona
Series 4 - Rhydian
Series 5 - Diana/Ruth/Laura
Series 6 - Stacey/Danyl
Series 7 - Rebecca Ferguson
Series 8 - Misha B/ Kitty/ Amelia

So ONCE the person with the best voice has won. Wow.

Of course they weren't the most popular - which is why this show is failing. The show was made so we would find a popstar that would become successful. Matt, Joe, Leon, Shane and Steve are hardly pop stars. Even Alexandra is failing in the music business right now. Leona is the only deserved winner.

I definitely see your point about the public vote. But that IS whats wrong with it. If you look - once the person with the best voice has won, out of 8. Thats just....dreadful. And it is the public vote's fault. You can say "oh its the judges" or whatever, but its not, cause the winner has never ever been in the bottom 2. For example - the judges have had to deicde between two of the best singers some years - Misha B/Kitty, Misha B/Sophie, Misha B/Janet, Laura/Ruth, Cher Lloyd/Mary Byrne. Then the public complain about how the best singers dont win. People dont vote on recording ability - and the one year they did - that winner shot to fame in the US and became the first UK female artist to top the charts in america in 20 years.
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:15
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It's crazy to say that a show that still goes 8-10m viewers has had its day! 99% of other shows would just kill for those ratings. Last night there was people on my Facebook slagging the show off, but they were actually watching it, so I think people think its cool to hate X factor.
No i think its had its day and well stale -i bet even the people who make it think that, but the reasons you hit on are the reasons people still watch it.

1) it gets 8-10 million viewers (a lot more in the final). Usually theyd only get 4million on ITV with any other show. Why would ITV take risks putting something new on in its place when they can get all that extra advertising an voting money from keeping xfactor.

2) the public will keep watching a) because ITV/Syco are great at creating all the hype and b) because theres nothing else really on for them at that time, can't see a load of 18-30's glued to Strictly or The Proms.

I think they would only axe it if they had another surefire hit to take its place
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:18
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The winners have not had the best voices. Only...
Leona has had the best of the series.

Series 1 - Rowetta
Series 2 - Maria/Brenda
Series 3 - Leona
Series 4 - Rhydian
Series 5 - Diana/Ruth/Laura
Series 6 - Stacey/Danyl
Series 7 - Rebecca Ferguson
Series 8 - Misha B/ Kitty/ Amelia

So ONCE the person with the best voice has won. Wow.

Of course they weren't the most popular - which is why this show is failing. The show was made so we would find a popstar that would become successful. Matt, Joe, Leon, Shane and Steve are hardly pop stars. Even Alexandra is failing in the music business right now. Leona is the only deserved winner.

I definitely see your point about the public vote. But that IS whats wrong with it. If you look - once the person with the best voice has won, out of 8. Thats just....dreadful. And it is the public vote's fault. You can say "oh its the judges" or whatever, but its not, cause the winner has never ever been in the bottom 2. For example - the judges have had to deicde between two of the best singers some years - Misha B/Kitty, Misha B/Sophie, Misha B/Janet, Laura/Ruth, Cher Lloyd/Mary Byrne. Then the public complain about how the best singers dont win. People dont vote on recording ability - and the one year they did - that winner shot to fame in the US and became the first UK female artist to top the charts in america in 20 years.
I'm not saying it's the judges fault the winner didn't have the best voice because I don't believe that's true apart from on 2 occasions (Alexandra and Little Mix, both years arguably had the worst pool of talent on X Factor yet). It's your opinion that those winners were not the best, but clearly not the opinion of most of the viewers that year.

Also, as I said, if that's why it's failing why didn't it fail after the first year? Why did it only start to fail after all the things I listed in my first post?
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:19
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People have been saying they should of stopped it after it finished in 2009.

Now, if they did that we wouldn't have got One Direction, Cher Lloyd and Rebecca Ferguson - 3 of the the most successful X Factor UK contestants globally!

If its had it's day, why do you all tune in weekly to watch it and discuss it on an X Factor forum?

People on here make no sense.
And the world is a better place with them/
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:23
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People have been saying they should of stopped it after it finished in 2009.

Now, if they did that we wouldn't have got One Direction, Cher Lloyd and Rebecca Ferguson - 3 of the the most successful X Factor UK contestants globally!

If its had it's day, why do you all tune in weekly to watch it and discuss it on an X Factor forum?

People on here make no sense.
One-D has been successful globally. What are Cher and Rebecca's global sales? For that matter, what are Leona's?
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:26
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One-D has been successful globally. What are Cher and Rebecca's global sales? For that matter, what are Leona's?
Cher Lloyd has sold 902 000 of her single want u back, and has just cracked the top 10 AirPlay chart. She is set to sell over a million copies this week. This in America of course. Australia are now picking up with want u back same with Canada.

Leona Lewis I'm not sure about sales - her album did massively well over there.

Rebecca ferguson peaked in top 20 IIRC with Her album, or just outside it. She is going back over there to promote now her leg is most better.
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Old 19-08-2012, 15:47
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But you're wrong. The judges do decide the best talent to go through. Rebecca Ferguson, Cher Lloyd and One Direction all put through by the judges, and the latter made by the judges, and these 3 have gone on to become 3 of the most successful artist in the history of the show - this was only in 2010.

Last year we had Misha B - one of the best vocalists in the shows entire run. Little Mix - a new, fresh girlband that the market needed. Amelia Lily - a great voice. Sophie Habibas - didn't get far but my god her voice was great.

I dont think the X FACTOR has had its day. I think the Public vote has had its day. The public dont vote for who they think will have the best recording career - which is what the show is based on.

Joe
Shane
Steve
Matt
Leon

had no "X Factor about them" but people who never won in their series...
Olly
Maria
G4
Cher, One Direction and Rebecca
Ryhdian, Nikki
all had the X Factor - but weren't voted to win.

Even Alexandra Burke - does she have a good voice? Yes, she has a fantastic voice. But Diana and Ruth were far superior to her because they both had that special something - they had the X factor.

Its the publics fault that this show is loosing ratings, not the judges, the producers or the contestants. Because 9 times out of 10 the best contestants are put through to the judges houses, and then onto the live shows.
You failed to state that this is only your opinion.

You offer a list of some of the best male singers. May be people were happy to vote for the best vocals at the time. SYCO failure is not their's remember.

Then a mixed up list of your possible favourites who you state as having the X Factor. Hmmmm. Olly and 1 Direction 2 examples of over-hype nothing to do with X Factor.

Then you go on to accuse the Public for being at fault for some bizarre reason. The show is losing ratings because it is manipulated and was exploiting the Public imo. What do you expect? It is a complete farce.

What is worrying is that how many of you are there that are so gullible to believe the hype surrounding a brand?
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Old 19-08-2012, 17:07
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People have been saying they should of stopped it after it finished in 2009.

Now, if they did that we wouldn't have got One Direction, Cher Lloyd and Rebecca Ferguson - 3 of the the most successful X Factor UK contestants globally!
Could you imagine the pop world without O.D. Yeah, the good old days
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Old 19-08-2012, 17:49
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Yet 2010 produces more stars than any other series...

One Direction - worlds biggest boyband.
Rebecca Ferguson - Successful album in the USA.
Cher Lloyd - Going to cell 1 000 000 copies of her single in the UK this week. Album looks set to sell well.

No other series has ever produced such talent.
Of course Leona Lewis in 2006, but that was ONE person.

It quite obviously hasn't peaked when people are going off to the USA and doing that well.
Oh please stop embarrassing yourself.
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Old 20-08-2012, 22:05
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Oh please stop embarrassing yourself.
Just stating facts.
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Old 20-08-2012, 22:13
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I dont think the X FACTOR has had its day. I think the Public vote has had its day. The public dont vote for who they think will have the best recording career - which is what the show is based on.

Its the publics fault that this show is loosing ratings, not the judges, the producers or the contestants. Because 9 times out of 10 the best contestants are put through to the judges houses, and then onto the live shows.
This. I would like the judges to decide on three or four acts who weren't as good as the others to face the public vote, I think that would shake it up a bit and keep the talent in.
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Old 20-08-2012, 22:49
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In terms of ratings it has had its day. It is a good 2 million down on its peak.
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Old 21-08-2012, 00:58
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At last the viewers of Britain are waking up & rebelling against this garbage. That Cowell has a lot to answer for inflicting this on people every week for months on end. Would be ok if there were proper singers or groups who actually play instruments and write their own songs. All these people want is to be a ready made star by the end of the programme, not work for it like real musicians have to.

It's quite a contrast after all the talent on display at the Olympics! Everyone is so fed up with the autotuned rubbish it's time to move on! Maybe the Olympics has made people see what real talent is all about and they are waking up to the fact that a manufactured, maniipulated, half baked talent contest is not the be all and end of British television

TV in Britain now is just 'reality' show after 'reality' show. Singing, dancing, cooking, gypsies. and then there's the fake 'real life' programmes from Essex, Chelsea and Newcastle.

And as for that Red or Black...............!!!!!
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