Originally Posted by BigBmad:
“I don't think it was as bad as some people are saying, but probably won't tune in again either”
“I don't think it was as bad as some people are saying, but probably won't tune in again either”
It was worse!!!!
Citizen Khan - BBC One
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Still, there were some LOL moments you gotta admit. For instance, when Mr Khan attempted to get the guy to move to another seat and Dave walked in, and when he sang and it was heard from outside 'Tummy tummy tum'! LOL
I thought it on the same level as this, from over thirty years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUgk3pWrnUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUgk3pWrnUY
I found the amusement spread very thinly - too reminiscent of programmes like Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighbour - all just a caricature really. We have all moved on since then - political correctness has taken hold and dare I say that our sense of humour has matured. After the initial curiosity has worn off I can't see this lasting (hope not anyway!).
Just because it is a sterotype does not mean that it cannot be funny. Father Ted was based on all the sterotypes about Irish Catholic Priests - and was not exactly a fair representation of their faith, but that did not stop it being a great success, and generally speaking popular with both the Irish and Priests.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.
Originally Posted by Killary45:
“Just because it is a sterotype does not mean that it cannot be funny. Father Ted was based on all the sterotypes about Irish Catholic Priests - and was not exactly a fair representation of their faith, but that did not stop it being a great success, and generally speaking popular with both the Irish and Priests.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.”
“Just because it is a sterotype does not mean that it cannot be funny. Father Ted was based on all the sterotypes about Irish Catholic Priests - and was not exactly a fair representation of their faith, but that did not stop it being a great success, and generally speaking popular with both the Irish and Priests.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.”
Very true, but in the 21st century there is a world of difference between poking fun at a vocation and at an ethnic group.
Originally Posted by dlmccabe:
“Adil Ray, who co-wrote and stars, is an extremely funny and distinguished broacaster. I'm sure everyones opinions will change once theyve seen a full episode. I saw one being filmed at Mediacity. It is very good!”
“Adil Ray, who co-wrote and stars, is an extremely funny and distinguished broacaster. I'm sure everyones opinions will change once theyve seen a full episode. I saw one being filmed at Mediacity. It is very good!”
he's funny and distinguished in his own mind not elsewhere.
the problem with adil is that he serves his ego, try being (non abusive) critical of him on twitter and you'll soon find yourself blocked if not suspended via him and his groupies.
Its also the same on the twitter timeline for citizenkhan mush of the non abusive critics who comment on the poor quality of the comedy have been mysteriously vanished ..
so in both cases what you get is the unreal world of adil ray and citizen khan.
First of all there's a Muslim girl in my office who wears a veil but also wears more make-up then the other seven women combined, so I don't understand why portraying reality is offensive?
Secondly why are Muslims so sensitive? Every other religion gets laughed at in one way or another. Why should Islam be exempt?
Secondly why are Muslims so sensitive? Every other religion gets laughed at in one way or another. Why should Islam be exempt?
Originally Posted by Andy2:
“I see the BBC has been 'inundated' with 200 complaints from Muslims saying Citizen Khan stereotypes and insults them. Sheesh.
Most comedy works by highlighting stereotypes, so Citizen Khan is nothing special. Only Fools & Horses showed us a white family who avoided taxes and dealt in dodgy gear - did we storm the BBC, complaining of 'insult to our race?' Sure, Khan is a very dated, cliche-ridden show, but many Pakistani families ARE like that, just as many British families are drunken chavs as portrayed in Shameless.
What's the betting the writer will now have a fatwah declared against him and have to go into hiding?”
“I see the BBC has been 'inundated' with 200 complaints from Muslims saying Citizen Khan stereotypes and insults them. Sheesh.
Most comedy works by highlighting stereotypes, so Citizen Khan is nothing special. Only Fools & Horses showed us a white family who avoided taxes and dealt in dodgy gear - did we storm the BBC, complaining of 'insult to our race?' Sure, Khan is a very dated, cliche-ridden show, but many Pakistani families ARE like that, just as many British families are drunken chavs as portrayed in Shameless.
What's the betting the writer will now have a fatwah declared against him and have to go into hiding?”
You should write for a tabloid, 200 complaints out of 3 million punters is 'storming the BBC'
Brian Cox's doc with the overbearing music probably got that number of complaints.
I could have easily found you 200 Peckham residents who hated Only Fools and Horses when it the hottest thing on the BBC.
I'll take a tenner off you on that Fatwah thing, I bet it won't happen.
On the Shameless thing, there was at least one FM on here who took it as a anti-white/working class/northern insult, that they wouldn't make with 'ethnics'
I'd guess you could easily find another 200 people of a similar view.
Originally Posted by ozjohn:
“First of all there's a Muslim girl in my office who wears a veil but also wears more make-up then the other seven women combined, so I don't understand why portraying reality is offensive?
Secondly why are Muslims so sensitive? Every other religion gets laughed at in one way or another. Why should Islam be exempt?”
“First of all there's a Muslim girl in my office who wears a veil but also wears more make-up then the other seven women combined, so I don't understand why portraying reality is offensive?
Secondly why are Muslims so sensitive? Every other religion gets laughed at in one way or another. Why should Islam be exempt?”
its not that hijabis dont wear make up , its the fact that it disrespects islam , demeans hijabis and their religiosity.
this whilst we are in a climate where islamophobia is increasing within uk society.
we already know of many attacks against muslim women who wear the hijab, this undermines their status further and then calls into question the wearing of the hijab (covering of the hair) as being something that is throw-away which in islam it is not.
Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu:
“You should write for a tabloid, 200 complaints out of 3 million punters is 'storming the BBC'
Brian Cox's doc with the overbearing music probably got that number of complaints.
I could have easily found you 200 Peckham residents who hated Only Fools and Horses when it the hottest thing on the BBC.
I'll take a tenner off you on that Fatwah thing, I bet it won't happen.
On the Shameless thing, there was at least one FM on here who took it as a anti-white/working class/northern insult, that they wouldn't make with 'ethnics'
I'd guess you could easily find another 200 people of a similar view.”
“You should write for a tabloid, 200 complaints out of 3 million punters is 'storming the BBC'
Brian Cox's doc with the overbearing music probably got that number of complaints.
I could have easily found you 200 Peckham residents who hated Only Fools and Horses when it the hottest thing on the BBC.
I'll take a tenner off you on that Fatwah thing, I bet it won't happen.
On the Shameless thing, there was at least one FM on here who took it as a anti-white/working class/northern insult, that they wouldn't make with 'ethnics'
I'd guess you could easily find another 200 people of a similar view.”
actually 200 is high in terms complaints that actually make it to the bbc / ofcom
Originally Posted by Hotgossip:
“I watched it and thought it was a load of old rubbish. It never made me laugh once and I thought the "acting" was terrible. So overdone. They were rushing through their lines and the timing was terrible.
I am confused - Mr Khan is wearing 70s style clothes yet the daughter is texting and there are modern tellies and computers so it must be contemporary.
I don't think it will last long.”
“I watched it and thought it was a load of old rubbish. It never made me laugh once and I thought the "acting" was terrible. So overdone. They were rushing through their lines and the timing was terrible.
I am confused - Mr Khan is wearing 70s style clothes yet the daughter is texting and there are modern tellies and computers so it must be contemporary.
I don't think it will last long.”
Ah, there are actually lots of Mr Khan's running around in 70's style garb with cardie in real life, lots and lots of them, completely up to date on that point, I'm afraid.
I think the tie gag was the only one I found amusing, well I still remember it, so it stood out.
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“actually 200 is high in terms complaints that actually make it to the bbc / ofcom”
“actually 200 is high in terms complaints that actually make it to the bbc / ofcom”
I don't know if it is for one program, but it's not 'storming the BBC' issuing Fatwah's and the like.
It's as OTT as the program.
The BBC got 17,000 complaints in May this year.
Where's do you find the number of complaints/plaudits received, for a particular program anyway?
Originally Posted by Killary45:
“Just because it is a sterotype does not mean that it cannot be funny. Father Ted was based on all the sterotypes about Irish Catholic Priests - and was not exactly a fair representation of their faith, but that did not stop it being a great success, and generally speaking popular with both the Irish and Priests.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.”
“Just because it is a sterotype does not mean that it cannot be funny. Father Ted was based on all the sterotypes about Irish Catholic Priests - and was not exactly a fair representation of their faith, but that did not stop it being a great success, and generally speaking popular with both the Irish and Priests.
On priest I know told me that Father Ted "humanised" Catholic priests for some people and helped them in their work. The same could be true of Muslims and this series.”
the thing about father ted was that it was not malicious , the characters were lovable rogues misguided but well meaning / intentioned.
goodness gracious me was positive and empowering to many asians in that it was inclusive and was making social commentary that everyone could poke fun at. it was clever. it provided something new to the wider british public that they hadnt witnessed before.
citizen khan fails because it lacks humour, it isnt inclusive , it is racist and islamophobic. it is a throwback to the dark ages.
that outcome is because to a degree adil ray is an outsider looking in as far as the pakistani community is concerned .. he has little empathy with the characters and people he is poking fun at. his perceptions might as well be as someone else has commented earlier that of a drunk white middle aged bloke out of the 1970's reading the sun or daily mail ..
the other problem or issue is that he is a careerist so he will play to the current agenda of the bbc - which has been a move towards islamophobia (though most far right would claim otherwise purely because of their extreme politics).
this could have been some innovative , new and inclusive instead it played to the bigotry of the 1970's , in fact it reinforced stereotypes that blighted a whole generation or two.
frankly it goes out of its way to normalise the grubby politics of the far right and the islamophobes.
Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu:
“I don't know if it is for one program, but it's not 'storming the BBC' issuing Fatwah's and the like.
It's as OTT as the program.
The BBC got 17,000 complaints in May this year.
Where's do you find the number of complaints/plaudits received, for a particular program anyway?”
“I don't know if it is for one program, but it's not 'storming the BBC' issuing Fatwah's and the like.
It's as OTT as the program.
The BBC got 17,000 complaints in May this year.
Where's do you find the number of complaints/plaudits received, for a particular program anyway?”
its not a fatwa issue .. its an issue of comedy and where that comedy fits in to the bigger picture.
this is something that has always been detested by asians of a certain age.
for the current generation who have not experienced or learnt about the experiences of their parents its the 'choc ice' moment.
this comedy actually undermines the parents and the basis of their struggle to be heard and move towards being part of wider society. it defines muslims and pakistanis as outsiders at a time when many are seeking to find ways to break down barriers , to be given equal opportunity and be stakeholders.
at no time does anyone think Father Ted or GGM are not part of wider society to be embraced despite their eccentricities.
Originally Posted by Hotgossip:
“.
I am confused - Mr Khan is wearing 70s style clothes yet the daughter is texting and there are modern tellies and computers so it must be contemporary.
I don't think it will last long.”
“.
I am confused - Mr Khan is wearing 70s style clothes yet the daughter is texting and there are modern tellies and computers so it must be contemporary.
I don't think it will last long.”
Around here, older Pakistanis wear rather out-dated brown suits and fawn jumpers.
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“its not a fatwa issue .. its an issue of comedy and where that comedy fits in to the bigger picture.
this is something that has always been detested by asians of a certain age.
for the current generation who have not experienced or learnt about the experiences of their parents its the 'choc ice' moment.
this comedy actually undermines the parents and the basis of their struggle to be heard and move towards being part of wider society. it defines muslims and pakistanis as outsiders at a time when many are seeking to find ways to break down barriers , to be given equal opportunity and be stakeholders.
at no time does anyone think Father Ted or GGM are not part of wider society to be embraced despite their eccentricities.”
“its not a fatwa issue .. its an issue of comedy and where that comedy fits in to the bigger picture.
this is something that has always been detested by asians of a certain age.
for the current generation who have not experienced or learnt about the experiences of their parents its the 'choc ice' moment.
this comedy actually undermines the parents and the basis of their struggle to be heard and move towards being part of wider society. it defines muslims and pakistanis as outsiders at a time when many are seeking to find ways to break down barriers , to be given equal opportunity and be stakeholders.
at no time does anyone think Father Ted or GGM are not part of wider society to be embraced despite their eccentricities.”
I haven't a bally clue what you're on about, suffice to say it's got buggerall to do with my post.
Go back see the quotes, you'll see the context.
We'll leave it there.
Edit: the complaints issue, can you answer that one, I'd like to see the figures now I'm curious.
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“the thing about father ted was that it was not malicious , the characters were lovable rogues misguided but well meaning / intentioned.
goodness gracious me was positive and empowering to many asians in that it was inclusive and was making social commentary that everyone could poke fun at. it was clever. it provided something new to the wider british public that they hadnt witnessed before.
citizen khan fails because it lacks humour, it isnt inclusive , it is racist and islamophobic. it is a throwback to the dark ages.
that outcome is because to a degree adil ray is an outsider looking in as far as the pakistani community is concerned .. he has little empathy with the characters and people he is poking fun at. his perceptions might as well be as someone else has commented earlier that of a drunk white middle aged bloke out of the 1970's reading the sun or daily mail ..
the other problem or issue is that he is a careerist so he will play to the current agenda of the bbc - which has been a move towards islamophobia (though most far right would claim otherwise purely because of their extreme politics).
this could have been some innovative , new and inclusive instead it played to the bigotry of the 1970's , in fact it reinforced stereotypes that blighted a whole generation or two.
frankly it goes out of its way to normalise the grubby politics of the far right and the islamophobes.”
“the thing about father ted was that it was not malicious , the characters were lovable rogues misguided but well meaning / intentioned.
goodness gracious me was positive and empowering to many asians in that it was inclusive and was making social commentary that everyone could poke fun at. it was clever. it provided something new to the wider british public that they hadnt witnessed before.
citizen khan fails because it lacks humour, it isnt inclusive , it is racist and islamophobic. it is a throwback to the dark ages.
that outcome is because to a degree adil ray is an outsider looking in as far as the pakistani community is concerned .. he has little empathy with the characters and people he is poking fun at. his perceptions might as well be as someone else has commented earlier that of a drunk white middle aged bloke out of the 1970's reading the sun or daily mail ..
the other problem or issue is that he is a careerist so he will play to the current agenda of the bbc - which has been a move towards islamophobia (though most far right would claim otherwise purely because of their extreme politics).
this could have been some innovative , new and inclusive instead it played to the bigotry of the 1970's , in fact it reinforced stereotypes that blighted a whole generation or two.
frankly it goes out of its way to normalise the grubby politics of the far right and the islamophobes.”
That's Irony, right?
I suppose the difference between this and Father Ted is that if Graham Linehan had got it wrong he didn't risk ending up laying in the street with his throat slit from ear to ear and a note to Arthur Mathews pinned to his chest by a dagger.
Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu:
“You should write for a tabloid, 200 complaints out of 3 million punters is 'storming the BBC'
Brian Cox's doc with the overbearing music probably got that number of complaints.
I could have easily found you 200 Peckham residents who hated Only Fools and Horses when it the hottest thing on the BBC.
I'll take a tenner off you on that Fatwah thing, I bet it won't happen.
On the Shameless thing, there was at least one FM on here who took it as a anti-white/working class/northern insult, that they wouldn't make with 'ethnics'
I'd guess you could easily find another 200 people of a similar view.”
“You should write for a tabloid, 200 complaints out of 3 million punters is 'storming the BBC'
Brian Cox's doc with the overbearing music probably got that number of complaints.
I could have easily found you 200 Peckham residents who hated Only Fools and Horses when it the hottest thing on the BBC.
I'll take a tenner off you on that Fatwah thing, I bet it won't happen.
On the Shameless thing, there was at least one FM on here who took it as a anti-white/working class/northern insult, that they wouldn't make with 'ethnics'
I'd guess you could easily find another 200 people of a similar view.”
Er...the reason I put 'inundated' in inverted commeas was that I was being ironic. Perhaps I should have festooned my post with smiley faces and LOLs just to make sure...
It was more miss than hit, too many tired jokes and cliches used in the likes of goodness gracious me over a decade ago.
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“its not that hijabis dont wear make up , its the fact that it disrespects islam , demeans hijabis and their religiosity.
this whilst we are in a climate where islamophobia is increasing within uk society.
we already know of many attacks against muslim women who wear the hijab, this undermines their status further and then calls into question the wearing of the hijab (covering of the hair) as being something that is throw-away which in islam it is not.”
“its not that hijabis dont wear make up , its the fact that it disrespects islam , demeans hijabis and their religiosity.
this whilst we are in a climate where islamophobia is increasing within uk society.
we already know of many attacks against muslim women who wear the hijab, this undermines their status further and then calls into question the wearing of the hijab (covering of the hair) as being something that is throw-away which in islam it is not.”
Oh dear, you really are missing the point in all this.
I only laughed twice during the entire half hour. Cliched, predictable and full of silly stereotypes and tired old jokes. I don't think I'll be bothering again.
Originally Posted by wendy09:
“its not that hijabis dont wear make up , its the fact that it disrespects islam , demeans hijabis and their religiosity.
this whilst we are in a climate where islamophobia is increasing within uk society.
we already know of many attacks against muslim women who wear the hijab, this undermines their status further and then calls into question the wearing of the hijab (covering of the hair) as being something that is throw-away which in islam it is not.”
“its not that hijabis dont wear make up , its the fact that it disrespects islam , demeans hijabis and their religiosity.
this whilst we are in a climate where islamophobia is increasing within uk society.
we already know of many attacks against muslim women who wear the hijab, this undermines their status further and then calls into question the wearing of the hijab (covering of the hair) as being something that is throw-away which in islam it is not.”
Can you indicate to me where in the Koran it dictates what women should wear, if it actually says anything about it?
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