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Old 02-02-2013, 17:23
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So a guy hold up a Hospital, kills his son, and then is let out on bail?
The mine shaft hadnt been concreted over?
He knew Exactly where the contaminated fumes would come out?
He was as said bailed as we was not deemed a danger to the public at that time.

And how did he know that only Embleton and Loader would be in that office at the exact time. His secretary or any innocent employee could have been in the office
His target was the son to punish the father Loader did not come into it from his side , a calculated guess and in his state of mind probably not something he considered.
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Old 02-02-2013, 17:26
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The lads had played with the nuclear waste years ago and had only just died, but Lord Embleteon and his nasty side kick were covered in dust and were rushed into hospital where they died? did they? why not just have a shower and why wasn't the father rushed into hospital?
The kids breathed in dust from the area , the two men were covered and breathed in a large amount of contaminated dust taken direct from the crash site .
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Old 02-02-2013, 17:31
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The kids breathed in dust from the area , the two men were covered and breathed in a large amount of contaminated dust taken direct from the crash site .
No the kids were playing in the tunnel as we saw on their video, [did kids have camera phones years ago?] but why did the contaminated dust have an immediate effect which killed the two men instantly? and why was the father not affected when he fell in the tunnel, didn't wear his gas mask and handled the dust.?
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Old 02-02-2013, 17:58
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No the kids were playing in the tunnel as we saw on their video, [did kids have camera phones years ago?] but why did the contaminated dust have an immediate effect which killed the two men instantly? and why was the father not affected when he fell in the tunnel, didn't wear his gas mask and handled the dust.?
I meant in the area as in general tunnel area , the father picked up a pile of dust from the base of the carrier which was furtehr down the tunnel where the fire was so it was more concentrated. That dust then fell directly from the ceiling in a closed office on the two men and they would have been exposed breathing it in at a higher concentration than the kids had, also being directly on the carrier undisturbed that dust may have had more things in it.

The father did put his mask on before he went to the actual crash site but ackowledged to Leo that the damage was already done by breathing in already from the rest of the tunnel.

The other two were not killed instantly they were in hospital in a critical condition from which we assume they would not recover.
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:55
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No the kids were playing in the tunnel as we saw on their video, [did kids have camera phones years ago?] but why did the contaminated dust have an immediate effect which killed the two men instantly? and why was the father not affected when he fell in the tunnel, didn't wear his gas mask and handled the dust.?
Think it was a video camera.
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Old 02-02-2013, 20:10
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...and it wasn't "years ago", it was quite recent.
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Old 02-02-2013, 22:29
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He was as said bailed as we was not deemed a danger to the public at that time.



His target was the son to punish the father Loader did not come into it from his side , a calculated guess and in his state of mind probably not something he considered.
To me, anyone who goes into a hospital (anywhere public actually) and waves a sawn-off shotgun about at innocent bystanders is a danger to the public and should not get bail !!!!
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Old 02-02-2013, 23:44
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To me, anyone who goes into a hospital (anywhere public actually) and waves a sawn-off shotgun about at innocent bystanders is a danger to the public and should not get bail !!!!
I suppose if you look at it he did not want to harm anyone he wanted his son to die in peace which the doctors wanted to and the police saw that and saw at that time he was no danger to anyone else . Obviously they didnt know that events would tip him over the edge to kill someone else later .

And the main point, if he hadnt got bail we wouldn't have the rest of the story
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Old 02-02-2013, 23:45
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Think it was a video camera.
Yes it was a camcorder , but a fairly recent eyars one as it was compact.
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Old 03-02-2013, 00:09
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To me, anyone who goes into a hospital (anywhere public actually) and waves a sawn-off shotgun about at innocent bystanders is a danger to the public and should not get bail !!!!
In real life I doubt if he would have got bail, but this is SilentWitnessWorld, where pathologists act as detectives.
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Old 03-02-2013, 00:11
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...and it wasn't "years ago", it was quite recent.
Yes. The young men might have been about 20 and in the footage they were maybe 14. Only a few years before.
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Old 03-02-2013, 00:15
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No the kids were playing in the tunnel as we saw on their video, [did kids have camera phones years ago?] but why did the contaminated dust have an immediate effect which killed the two men instantly? and why was the father not affected when he fell in the tunnel, didn't wear his gas mask and handled the dust.?
Embleton and Loader weren't killed instantly. They were taken to hospital and we were never told that they had died, though clearly they were going to. The father was presumably going to die from his contact with the dust too, though his contact was less substantial, so he wasn't showing any symptoms immediately.
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Old 03-02-2013, 19:35
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I think it would take a number of months if not years for the effects of the dust to be fatal. The young lads were teenagers in the video and he didn't seem that much older when he died. Embleton and Loader were 'critical' probably because they didn't know exactly what they were dealing with when they admitted them to hospital. It never said that they died.
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Old 03-02-2013, 19:46
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This run really is weak.
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Old 03-02-2013, 19:52
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I think it would take a number of months if not years for the effects of the dust to be fatal. The young lads were teenagers in the video and he didn't seem that much older when he died..
How many years had the corpse been in the roof?
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Old 03-02-2013, 20:06
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This run really is weak.
I think the last two stories have been really strong. I found the last series weaker overall.

Next week looks brilliant!
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Old 03-02-2013, 20:08
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This run really is weak.
This seems to be your general feeling about most things you post about. What makes this run weak then, you may as well give a fuller explanation if you feel interested enough to post on here in the first place.

Personally, I think that this new series has breathed life into Silent Witness, as for me some story lines in previous series have been running out of steam and Silent Witness overall was beginning to look a bit tired. Only my opinion of course
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:00
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Mixed feelings about this story. It ought to have been more gripping but for the slight sense of deja vu.

The evil industrialist or property developer. The military accident and cover-up, with MI5 discrediting investigators and the immaculately spoken and well-dressed spook even stooping to murder witnesses.

This was a conspiracy thriller painted by numbers, or Edge of Darkness redux.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:22
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How many years had the corpse been in the roof?
It doesn't say how long he was there, just that he died in the summer and he was in his twenties. If he was about the same age as the boy who died in the hospital, early twenties, then it would suggest it took a number of years for the dust to have any effect and it varied with each person ( kidneys, lungs, brain)

So Embleton & Loader would probably have a few years before they saw any effects
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:46
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Just watched part 1 of last week's on iPlayer. Yuk how can Nikki fancy that Embleton guy over lovely Harry!!!
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:20
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This seems to be your general feeling about most things you post about. What makes this run weak then, you may as well give a fuller explanation if you feel interested enough to post on here in the first place.

Personally, I think that this new series has breathed life into Silent Witness, as for me some story lines in previous series have been running out of steam and Silent Witness overall was beginning to look a bit tired. Only my opinion of course

You've gotta laugh.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:28
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I'm going against the grain here, but I bloody love Jack! (And also against the grain, I never understood all the love for Harry - I prefer this season's cast.) And despite all it's obvious implausibilities, I really really enjoy this show
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Old 07-02-2013, 19:44
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I'm going against the grain here, but I bloody love Jack! (And also against the grain, I never understood all the love for Harry - I prefer this season's cast.) And despite all it's obvious implausibilities, I really really enjoy this show
I love Jack as well (I think he edges it for me over Harry, just!) Last story of the series tonight I'm gonna miss my Silent Witness fix! Anyone heard about a new series?
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Old 07-02-2013, 20:20
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I love Jack as well (I think he edges it for me over Harry, just!) Last story of the series tonight I'm gonna miss my Silent Witness fix! Anyone heard about a new series?
I'll join the club as well. I think Jack is an excellent addition to the cast. I was never able to understand why Harry was so bigged up by people.
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Old 07-02-2013, 21:29
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not getting into the episode tonight, it feels very slow
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