Originally Posted by morph1970:
“I'm Morph, but no worries. Group hug?
”
“I'm Morph, but no worries. Group hug?
”
I know. There is a full stop after "Thanks for posting this."
But yeah, I love group hugs!
The Ratings Thread (Part 39)
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Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Any chance of a seperate Dr Who thread?”
“Any chance of a seperate Dr Who thread?”
Why? X Factor tends to take over this thread at times,as does Downton, as does Strictly. So we DW fans are only evening things up!
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I know. There is a full stop after "Thanks for posting this."
But yeah, I love group hugs!”
“I know. There is a full stop after "Thanks for posting this."
But yeah, I love group hugs!
”
Haha, fair enough, I missed that full stop!
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Why? X Factor tends to take over this thread at times,as does Downton, as does Strictly. So we DW fans are only evening things up!”
“Why? X Factor tends to take over this thread at times,as does Downton, as does Strictly. So we DW fans are only evening things up!
”
Exactly. And unlike X-Factor the DW invasion will be a short lived and temporary one! But we'll have X-Factor until Christmas and thereafter!:yawn::yawn:
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Any chance of a seperate Dr Who thread?”
“Any chance of a seperate Dr Who thread?”
Or even better, how about a thread devoted to Doctor Who ratings in the section of the forum exclusively devoted to Doctor Who
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=774652
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“The way people watch television - or programmes - is under going a huge shift, though.
I watch very little at the time it is actually broadcast and there is nothing I would call (for me) 'appointment TV'. As long as I've watched Dr Who sometime between when it is on and going to work on Monday, that's good enough There's no need to sit down and watch it at the time someone in BBC Towers says I should.
My first thought when the schedules come out isn't 'what time is it on' 'it's what does it clash with on the planner and how I can jiggle stuff round'
”
“The way people watch television - or programmes - is under going a huge shift, though.
I watch very little at the time it is actually broadcast and there is nothing I would call (for me) 'appointment TV'. As long as I've watched Dr Who sometime between when it is on and going to work on Monday, that's good enough
There's no need to sit down and watch it at the time someone in BBC Towers says I should.My first thought when the schedules come out isn't 'what time is it on' 'it's what does it clash with on the planner and how I can jiggle stuff round'
”
I agree. I sit down every Sunday & go through the planner & decide what I want to watch the following week. As you say occasionally it means setting the record to the +1 option if there are more than 3 programmes (usually at 9pm) that I want to watch. Now I do watch quite a few when broadcast & then just delete the recorded one from the planner afterwards but it provides flexibility.
As for Doctor Who my 83 year old Dad rang last & said he had missed it not realising it had started again. Anyway he had sorted it out & found it repeated on BBC3 later in week & then got his sky+ set for BBC1 next week. He'd rung me apparently earlier to see if I had it on planner to tell me not to delete it. Such fuss over a tv show!!!!
I honestly can't believe I've having to post this in this thread, but whatever...
Doctor Who
Overnight Series Averages:
7.3m - Series 1: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 2: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.0m - Series 3: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 4: Overnight average (13 episodes)
6.0m - Series 5: Overnight average (13 episodes)
5.7m - Series 6: Overnight average (13 episodes)
Average Timeshift:
+ 0.64m - Series 1 (2005)
+ 0.51m - Series 2 (2006)
+ 0.55m - Series 3 (2007)
+ 0.85m - Series 4 (2008)
+ 1.73m - Series 5 (2010)
+ 1.79m - Series 6 (2011)
BARB Series Averages:
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
Doctor Who
Overnight Series Averages:
7.3m - Series 1: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 2: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.0m - Series 3: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 4: Overnight average (13 episodes)
6.0m - Series 5: Overnight average (13 episodes)
5.7m - Series 6: Overnight average (13 episodes)
Average Timeshift:
+ 0.64m - Series 1 (2005)
+ 0.51m - Series 2 (2006)
+ 0.55m - Series 3 (2007)
+ 0.85m - Series 4 (2008)
+ 1.73m - Series 5 (2010)
+ 1.79m - Series 6 (2011)
BARB Series Averages:
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I honestly can't believe I've having to post this in this thread, but whatever...
Doctor Who
Overnight Series Averages:
7.3m - Series 1: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 2: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.0m - Series 3: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 4: Overnight average (13 episodes)
6.0m - Series 5: Overnight average (13 episodes)
5.7m - Series 6: Overnight average (13 episodes)
Average Timeshift:
+ 0.64m - Series 1 (2005)
+ 0.51m - Series 2 (2006)
+ 0.55m - Series 3 (2007)
+ 0.85m - Series 4 (2008)
+ 1.73m - Series 5 (2010)
+ 1.79m - Series 6 (2011)
BARB Series Averages:
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)”
“I honestly can't believe I've having to post this in this thread, but whatever...
Doctor Who
Overnight Series Averages:
7.3m - Series 1: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 2: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.0m - Series 3: Overnight average (13 episodes)
7.2m - Series 4: Overnight average (13 episodes)
6.0m - Series 5: Overnight average (13 episodes)
5.7m - Series 6: Overnight average (13 episodes)
Average Timeshift:
+ 0.64m - Series 1 (2005)
+ 0.51m - Series 2 (2006)
+ 0.55m - Series 3 (2007)
+ 0.85m - Series 4 (2008)
+ 1.73m - Series 5 (2010)
+ 1.79m - Series 6 (2011)
BARB Series Averages:
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)”
All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Doctor Who timeshifts larger than 99 percent of other shows on UK TV with 2 million+ timeshifting. Other shows timeshift the usual 1/1.2 million viewers, including The X Factor and New Tricks.
That's why Doctor Who has different criteria against it because it has double the timeshift of any other show.”
“Doctor Who timeshifts larger than 99 percent of other shows on UK TV with 2 million+ timeshifting. Other shows timeshift the usual 1/1.2 million viewers, including The X Factor and New Tricks.
That's why Doctor Who has different criteria against it because it has double the timeshift of any other show.”
It also has different criteria against it compared to New Tricks because Who repeats on BBC1 get bloody awful ratings while New Tricks repeats extremely well. So it's easy to argue that this rating for New Tricks is alright because it'll repeat well, just like it's easy (and correct) to argue that the rating for Who is alright because it'll timeshift well. Different shows, different audiences, different situations.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Timeshift, timeshift timeshift. Ad nauseum. But WHY is Doctor Who no longer regarded as appointment TV?”
“Timeshift, timeshift timeshift. Ad nauseum. But WHY is Doctor Who no longer regarded as appointment TV?”
I didn't watch the Christmas Day episode live because I was at my sister's house and I didn't want to have to miss bits of the episode while my family jabbered all over it and I was being offered nibbles. I wanted to watch it later when I could concentrate on it, It didn't mean it wasn't appointment TV - quite the reverse. In the past I'd have to watch it live and lump it (yes, VHS, but that involves forward planning).
If other dramas were slap bang in the middle of Saturday night, they'd doubtless get bloody big timeshifts. if they were any good, natch.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
Does it really matter? Why do some people on this thread view iplayer views as somehow worth less than TV viewings? It doesn't matter to the BBC because they don't carry advertising. The total amount of viewers for the show has barely changed.
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“Does it really matter? Why do some people on this thread view iplayer views as somehow worth less than TV viewings? It doesn't matter to the BBC because they don't carry advertising. The total amount of viewers for the show has barely changed.”
“Does it really matter? Why do some people on this thread view iplayer views as somehow worth less than TV viewings? It doesn't matter to the BBC because they don't carry advertising. The total amount of viewers for the show has barely changed.”
And the cycle starts all over again..............
Tedious circular discussion between Doctor Who/non Doctor Who/Moffat/non Moffat/RTD/non-RTD/BBC/anti-BBC/ITV/anti-ITV types today.
I feel like I've read the same opposing points batted back and forth ten trillion times like some god-awful unending game of tennis.
I feel like I've read the same opposing points batted back and forth ten trillion times like some god-awful unending game of tennis.
Originally Posted by James J:
“Tedious circular discussion between Doctor Who/non Doctor Who/Moffat/non Moffat/RTD/non-RTD/BBC/anti-BBC/ITV/anti-ITV types today.
I feel like I've read the same opposing points batted back and forth ten trillion times like some god-awful unending game of tennis.”
“Tedious circular discussion between Doctor Who/non Doctor Who/Moffat/non Moffat/RTD/non-RTD/BBC/anti-BBC/ITV/anti-ITV types today.
I feel like I've read the same opposing points batted back and forth ten trillion times like some god-awful unending game of tennis.”
I agree.
It's sad that this thread appears to have gone sharply downhill with constructive posts being replaced by tedious posts about the same subject every day.
And then when people do provide a lot of ratings, not one comment is generated from the many ratings, not even a 'thanks'.
In a ratings thread.
Sad.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
Really? Really?
The timeshifting began IMMEDIATELY, literally the first episode was below what it should have been, then it timeshifted to 10m.
Did they all see the Steven Moffat series first? I mean...what is peoples point here?
I just don't get it.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The Monday 8pm slot is just an extended ad break for ITV die hards between the two Corries. If they put on something cosy, milky and warm, it will keep the core demographic on the sofa. Some fluff featuring O'Grady and dogs seems perfect.
It will be the PGs that dented EE (and NT).
Decent retention for Khan - 2.8m very good in later slot on worknight. It is doing better than MBB was at this stage. And it's rather good, too.”
“The Monday 8pm slot is just an extended ad break for ITV die hards between the two Corries. If they put on something cosy, milky and warm, it will keep the core demographic on the sofa. Some fluff featuring O'Grady and dogs seems perfect.
It will be the PGs that dented EE (and NT).
Decent retention for Khan - 2.8m very good in later slot on worknight. It is doing better than MBB was at this stage. And it's rather good, too.”
Just like the BBC diehards who have fluff and something cosy, milky and warm to keep that core demographic on the sofa - on a Sunday (Countryfile/Antiques Roadshow/Call The Midwife).:yawn:
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“Because it doesn't have to be.
I'm old enough to remember having to be first on the Radio Times to circle what you wanted to watch - and even then the grown ups had the final say and you had to be sat ready for the start of a programme else you'd missed it.”
“Because it doesn't have to be.
I'm old enough to remember having to be first on the Radio Times to circle what you wanted to watch - and even then the grown ups had the final say
and you had to be sat ready for the start of a programme else you'd missed it.”
I still prefer to buy the tv mag and mark what I want to watch - I prefer it that way and have done so for nearly 30 years! The EPG is fine for an update, but there's nothing to beat getting a tv mag in your hands and pouring over the features and shows you'll be watching.
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Because there are about 1 million more of them?”
“Because there are about 1 million more of them?”
And again why are those viewers more relevant and important? This idea that Doctor Who's timeshift is bigger and thus more important is nonsense. New Tricks is adding additional viewers via timeshift and catch-up services. If there's an insistence that those viewers be counted and precounted when discussing Doctor Who's ratings why shouldn't that same principle apply to any and every other drama on television?
Quote:
“Because (probably) they come from a "more important" (ie younger) demographic?”
“Because (probably) they come from a "more important" (ie younger) demographic?”
And why does that matter? We aren't discussing the audience profile we're discussing the raw number. The argument isn't that Doctor Who's timeshift is important because that's how young viewers watch. The argument is Doctor Who's timeshift is important because it takes it from 5-6 million to 7-8 million. And presumably those same younger more technically savy viewers are also the ones who timeshift New Tricks?
Quote:
“Because we haven't had any hint about NTs timeshift this year yet? Whereas DW has already reached over 7.4m after one days timeshifting.”
“Because we haven't had any hint about NTs timeshift this year yet? Whereas DW has already reached over 7.4m after one days timeshifting.”
We didn't know that on Sunday morning when posts about Doctor Who's overnight were followed by variations on 'it'll timeshift to...' and 'it'll add another 2 million'.
Quote:
“Because there have been high profile arguments about the direction that NT is moving in, hence some people wondering if a relatively poor overnight rating would mean the end of the show (only when the officials come out will we know if that pessimism is justified).”
“Because there have been high profile arguments about the direction that NT is moving in, hence some people wondering if a relatively poor overnight rating would mean the end of the show (only when the officials come out will we know if that pessimism is justified).”
This is an hilarious point. Have I just imagined the high profile and repeated arguments regarding the direction Doctor Who has taken under Moffat and the not small public push this year that these episodes aren't about a story arc and are big stand alone episodes?
Originally Posted by morph1970:
“Who? WHO? WHO?! WHOOOOOOOO?!?
You keep saying 'people'? WHICH people?
None of this is what I'm saying. Or Andy Parish. Or DMN. If some people are spouting baloney about New Tricks being in trouble, let them. Doesn't mean we should apply the same moronic standard and say the same about Doctor Who.”
“Who? WHO? WHO?! WHOOOOOOOO?!?
You keep saying 'people'? WHICH people?
None of this is what I'm saying. Or Andy Parish. Or DMN. If some people are spouting baloney about New Tricks being in trouble, let them. Doesn't mean we should apply the same moronic standard and say the same about Doctor Who.”
A collection of some posts from the past few days covering Doctor Who, New Tricks and EastEnders that highlight some of what I'm saying here. If I were to go back a week or two to when I had a similar conversation regarding Doctor Who's overnight performance I'd find more.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2147
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2148
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2154
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2155
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2156
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2163
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2167
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2175
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2231
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2238
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2239
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2241
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2255
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2266
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2284
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2314
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2317
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2320
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2325
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2326
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2338
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2350
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2456
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2548
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2579
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2666
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2669
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2670
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2677
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2683
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2694
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2705
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2734
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2739
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2740
And that's just a quick scan of the last few days.
Originally Posted by morph1970:
“But NO-ONE is saying New Tricks' timeshift doesn't matter. And if anyone does, they're an idiot. Why are you arguing with something that no-one is actually claiming?”
“But NO-ONE is saying New Tricks' timeshift doesn't matter. And if anyone does, they're an idiot. Why are you arguing with something that no-one is actually claiming?”
The problem is that the quite clear argument is that it doesn't matter to the same degree that Doctor Who's does. There have even been people that have attempted to explain to me why Doctor Who's timeshift audience is more important than New Tricks (see some of the stuff I've responded to in this post).
Originally Posted by morph1970:
“As the overnights have fallen, the timeshifts have increased. Where is the logic in suggesting if the overnights fall further, then it's only 'a matter of time when timeshifts are affected [presumably you mean 'drop'] too'? If anything the evidence so far suggests that the timeshifts would become greater still.”
“As the overnights have fallen, the timeshifts have increased. Where is the logic in suggesting if the overnights fall further, then it's only 'a matter of time when timeshifts are affected [presumably you mean 'drop'] too'? If anything the evidence so far suggests that the timeshifts would become greater still.”
The counter point to this argument is that we don't know how consistent the Doctor Who audience is in terms of returning viewers. We don't for example know how many new viewers Doctor Who attracts from year-to-year. Its entirely possible that viewers have transitioned from live to timeshift/iPlayer to not at all and just been replaced by new viewers. If that's the case then there's an argument to be made that actually eventually new viewers will stop tuning in and the numbers just go down. Equally if Doctor Who isn't attracting new viewers year-on-year that's potentially a big problem as well. Its something of a lose-lose situation unfortunately.
Without the full range of information its impossible to really get into all of this stuff and predict future viewing etc.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“We won't get the final consolidated figure for episode 1 of this series until Monday. Until then we can't be sure that the timeshift will be big enough to make up for any viewers lost in the overnights. And if it's down, it can only be a negative.
Doctor Who's ratings performance shouldn't be immune from criticism. After all, it gets more coverage in the media than pretty much any other show on TV outside of soaps and The X Factor, and in this massive year for the BBC, if anything more was expected from it.”
“We won't get the final consolidated figure for episode 1 of this series until Monday. Until then we can't be sure that the timeshift will be big enough to make up for any viewers lost in the overnights. And if it's down, it can only be a negative.
Doctor Who's ratings performance shouldn't be immune from criticism. After all, it gets more coverage in the media than pretty much any other show on TV outside of soaps and The X Factor, and in this massive year for the BBC, if anything more was expected from it.”
This.
Originally Posted by morph1970:
“Ah, now here is a sensible question at last...”
“Ah, now here is a sensible question at last...”
I asked it a week and a half/two weeks ago and got largely shouted down by a wave of 'it doesn't matter just as long as people watch' (with a few exceptions).
Quote:
“Now, as far as I'm aware, BARB would strip out 'second-time' watchers. Anyone know for sure?”
“Now, as far as I'm aware, BARB would strip out 'second-time' watchers. Anyone know for sure?”
That's my understanding.
Quote:
“As I said above, lots of reasons, and it's a genuinely interesting phenomenon. But the one thing I DON'T think it suggests is that people are losing interest altogether. If that were the case, we'd see fewer timeshifters, not more.”
“As I said above, lots of reasons, and it's a genuinely interesting phenomenon. But the one thing I DON'T think it suggests is that people are losing interest altogether. If that were the case, we'd see fewer timeshifters, not more.”
As above unless timeshifters that are ditching are being replaced by new timeshifters.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
“All you have done here is open a new can of worms! All your chart suggests is that since Moffat has taken over less people watch when it is broadcast! Again, the very same question "Why have people stopped watching when it is broadcast since Series 5?"
And please don't use the timeshift excuse. I'm not buying it.”
But it isn't an excuse - at least not for me
Everything I want to watch goes on the planner and is series linked, if it's a series. It takes the strain of having to be sat down at a certain time, and having to remember times have moved forward or back 5 minutes from last week, and having to remember it is actually a series (oopsy
) away.I don't need to watch at a time some suit in BBC(or ITV or C4 or C5 or Sky or Living or Alibi or Watch ... I have eclectic taste
) says I should. My appointment viewings are when it suits me to watch.Tele watching has undergone the biggest sea-change since possibly the advent of video recorders in the last few years. There is absolutely no need to watch anything at the time it is on, if for whatever reason it suits you not too. Heck, even my mum has the hang of it!
This is riddiculous can we please just kill this off already?
Anyone got any ratings for E4's Beaver Falls? I'd quite like to know whether it's royally screwed or not…
Anyone got any ratings for E4's Beaver Falls? I'd quite like to know whether it's royally screwed or not…
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Trickytree will know for sure. I thought they were counted in the average but not for the reach (but I'm prepared to be corrected on that!)
K”
“Trickytree will know for sure. I thought they were counted in the average but not for the reach (but I'm prepared to be corrected on that!)
K”
Yep, if you watch, record and watch again, you are counted twice in the average audience minute calculation but once in reach.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“If other dramas were slap bang in the middle of Saturday night, they'd doubtless get bloody big timeshifts. if they were any good, natch.”
“If other dramas were slap bang in the middle of Saturday night, they'd doubtless get bloody big timeshifts. if they were any good, natch.”
What's Merlin's timeshift like?
And just to be clear that's a genuine question I didn't pay any attention to Merlin's timeshift last year.
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“Does it really matter? Why do some people on this thread view iplayer views as somehow worth less than TV viewings? It doesn't matter to the BBC because they don't carry advertising. The total amount of viewers for the show has barely changed.”
“Does it really matter? Why do some people on this thread view iplayer views as somehow worth less than TV viewings? It doesn't matter to the BBC because they don't carry advertising. The total amount of viewers for the show has barely changed.”
I don't view iPlayer viewers as less important I'm simply curious as to why with Doctor Who we have to pre-emptively take into account timeshifts and iPlayer viewers when that same basic principle doesn't seem to apply to any other show. And equally why there seems to be so much resistance to applying the basic idea more broadly. Although with iPlayer at least I get that part of it is that we don't really see enough iPlayer stats to do it.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I agree.
It's sad that this thread appears to have gone sharply downhill with constructive posts being replaced by tedious posts about the same subject every day.
And then when people do provide a lot of ratings, not one comment is generated from the many ratings, not even a 'thanks'.
In a ratings thread.
Sad.”
“I agree.
It's sad that this thread appears to have gone sharply downhill with constructive posts being replaced by tedious posts about the same subject every day.
And then when people do provide a lot of ratings, not one comment is generated from the many ratings, not even a 'thanks'.
In a ratings thread.
Sad.”
Well its good that you contributed with a strong post about ratings then.
Why have i spent 15 minutes wasting my time reading a retarded argument over Doctor Who on this thread? Come on...
Another reason why iPlayer downloads will become increasingly important when considering ratings (and a reminder that this thread is discussing ratings generally, not simply overnights):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...e-iplayer.html
Quote:
“BBC iPlayer today launched mobile downloads, enabling you to download your favourite BBC TV programmes directly to your smartphone or tablet for free, and keep them to enjoy for up to 30 days.
For the first time, the quality programmes on BBC iPlayer’s award-winning app are available wherever you want to watch them, whether or not you have a Wi-Fi or 3G signal. Watch on the underground, on planes, or any location where internet access is beyond your reach. Programmes downloaded from the UK can also be viewed abroad for up to 30 days, so you can take the BBC on holiday with you. Once you’ve pressed play, you can keep watching for seven more days.
The new mobile downloads feature is initially available on iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch devices and will come to Android devices soon.
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This launch builds on BBC iPlayer’s strategy to move beyond the PC and make more quality BBC content available across mobile, tablet and internet connected TVs, delivering increased value to audiences. In July alone, there were 30m requests for BBC iPlayer TV programmes via a mobile or tablet, an increase of 142% year on year.”
“BBC iPlayer today launched mobile downloads, enabling you to download your favourite BBC TV programmes directly to your smartphone or tablet for free, and keep them to enjoy for up to 30 days.
For the first time, the quality programmes on BBC iPlayer’s award-winning app are available wherever you want to watch them, whether or not you have a Wi-Fi or 3G signal. Watch on the underground, on planes, or any location where internet access is beyond your reach. Programmes downloaded from the UK can also be viewed abroad for up to 30 days, so you can take the BBC on holiday with you. Once you’ve pressed play, you can keep watching for seven more days.
The new mobile downloads feature is initially available on iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch devices and will come to Android devices soon.
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This launch builds on BBC iPlayer’s strategy to move beyond the PC and make more quality BBC content available across mobile, tablet and internet connected TVs, delivering increased value to audiences. In July alone, there were 30m requests for BBC iPlayer TV programmes via a mobile or tablet, an increase of 142% year on year.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...e-iplayer.html
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“Tele watching has undergone the biggest sea-change since possibly the advent of video recorders in the last few years. There is absolutely no need to watch anything at the time it is on, if for whatever reason it suits you not too. Heck, even my mum has the hang of it! ”
“Tele watching has undergone the biggest sea-change since possibly the advent of video recorders in the last few years. There is absolutely no need to watch anything at the time it is on, if for whatever reason it suits you not too. Heck, even my mum has the hang of it!
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Which is fine (and true).
My problem is that people don't tend to apply this concept universally. Doctor Who is really the only show on television where all this stuff is pre-emptively added into the overnights and the overnights themselves are largely just dismissed out of hand and as a result it comes across as people making excuses. I'm not saying people shouldn't do that but if we're going to do it then we should do it for everything because it isn't just the viewing habits for one show that are changing but viewing habits across the board (as you point out).
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“Anyone got any ratings for E4's Beaver Falls? I'd quite like to know whether it's royally screwed or not…”
“Anyone got any ratings for E4's Beaver Falls? I'd quite like to know whether it's royally screwed or not…”
Beaver Falls is an odd one. Judging from last year it could appear royally screwed and still get renewed. Unless of course E4 were gambling on a second series increase.
Originally I'd just assumed it was a co-production (and therefore made financial sense) but its not is it?
Okay am out of the above conversation. I was having these in 2010 and since then its just been accepted, I feel only one side of the conversation is giving appropriate answers.
ANYWAY! You know were always thankful for your round ups D.M.N. we should probably say it more but we'd feel were repeating ourselves So thank you 
Also, Jeremy Kyle on Saturday morning is pretty dreadful. We discuss ITV's primetime too much - they really need to get a grip. Maybe its not Peter Fincham but those around him that are the problem but quite simply change needs to come through either in whose in what job, management structure, or culture - ITV1 hasn't been managed well for the last 2 years or so. Not 'dreadfully run' but problems that were there when he took over have never been dealt with.
For reference, am not just stating this on the back of that rating, its just it highlights in my mind that ITV1 as a channel have pretty universal problems.
The CBB rating last night seems slightly low considering the strong weekend. It looks like viewers are more than happy to catch up on the celeb version on weekends and that overall maybe theres a bit more 'casual viewers' and so the strong weekdays then weak weekends just aren't a major factor. Thoughts need to go into how to make the main series a little bit more accessible.
EDIT to add:
I think this will more change how people watch timeshifting but not so much the overnights. In the end if I can record a show and watch it on the bus, it leaves me room in the evening to do other things than watch my Eastenders recording.
Of course, theres also the question if people are just going to be increasingly watching things on record cause well...they can. Why sit down to EE if your busy doing something else and you know you can watch it on the bus in the morning.
So a mixed affect but I don't think its not significant. One of those things that will be difficult to calculate really. It is an exciting time for how TV content is devoured and I wonder when the content itself begins to get affected. I mean, the BBC 'could' put an entire series up on the first night on iplayer - technically.
ANYWAY! You know were always thankful for your round ups D.M.N. we should probably say it more but we'd feel were repeating ourselves
So thank you Also, Jeremy Kyle on Saturday morning is pretty dreadful. We discuss ITV's primetime too much - they really need to get a grip. Maybe its not Peter Fincham but those around him that are the problem but quite simply change needs to come through either in whose in what job, management structure, or culture - ITV1 hasn't been managed well for the last 2 years or so. Not 'dreadfully run' but problems that were there when he took over have never been dealt with.
For reference, am not just stating this on the back of that rating, its just it highlights in my mind that ITV1 as a channel have pretty universal problems.
The CBB rating last night seems slightly low considering the strong weekend. It looks like viewers are more than happy to catch up on the celeb version on weekends and that overall maybe theres a bit more 'casual viewers' and so the strong weekdays then weak weekends just aren't a major factor. Thoughts need to go into how to make the main series a little bit more accessible.
EDIT to add:
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Another reason why iPlayer downloads will become increasingly important when considering ratings (and a reminder that this thread is discussing ratings generally, not simply overnights):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...e-iplayer.html”
“Another reason why iPlayer downloads will become increasingly important when considering ratings (and a reminder that this thread is discussing ratings generally, not simply overnights):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...e-iplayer.html”
I think this will more change how people watch timeshifting but not so much the overnights. In the end if I can record a show and watch it on the bus, it leaves me room in the evening to do other things than watch my Eastenders recording.
Of course, theres also the question if people are just going to be increasingly watching things on record cause well...they can. Why sit down to EE if your busy doing something else and you know you can watch it on the bus in the morning.
So a mixed affect but I don't think its not significant. One of those things that will be difficult to calculate really. It is an exciting time for how TV content is devoured and I wonder when the content itself begins to get affected. I mean, the BBC 'could' put an entire series up on the first night on iplayer - technically.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“It is to me, an interpretation that he is throwing it out as an idea to gauge a response. This suggests that he is considering casting a woman. Otherwise, why say it. If he didn't want to cast a woman he should have said "While I'm at the helm I won't cast a woman".
No disrespect Mossy, but you were one of the few who ridiculed and shouted down everyone who suggested that we would only get a few episodes this year and the rest next year, constantly saying that we had misinterpreted what Danny Cohen had said at last years Edinburgh Festival. But it appears that our interpretations were right and yours wasn't. So, I think I will continue to interpret from his statement on female Doctors the way I choose to. No offence intended.”
“It is to me, an interpretation that he is throwing it out as an idea to gauge a response. This suggests that he is considering casting a woman. Otherwise, why say it. If he didn't want to cast a woman he should have said "While I'm at the helm I won't cast a woman".
No disrespect Mossy, but you were one of the few who ridiculed and shouted down everyone who suggested that we would only get a few episodes this year and the rest next year, constantly saying that we had misinterpreted what Danny Cohen had said at last years Edinburgh Festival. But it appears that our interpretations were right and yours wasn't. So, I think I will continue to interpret from his statement on female Doctors the way I choose to. No offence intended.”
I was in the audience when the question about the female doctor was asked and I don't think Moffat's answer meant anything- he got the audience to do a show of hands about if they wanted it then gave a politician style non answer answer to the question. I don't think it means anything, besides "It's possible I suppose"
There were strong rumours Moffat wanted to cast someone of colour in the part before series 5- Paterson Joseph being the main name linked- but in the end they went with a more traditional choice in Matt Smith. I think casting a woman would make people too nervous it'll kill the show; I don't think it'll happen.
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