Wow. Broadcast are basically declaring the new Daybreak a success because it was 70% up on last Monday (27 August, Summer Bank Holiday).

Poor analysis there.

It's officially produced by Company Pictures but texhnically it's Out of Africa Entertainment/Rexam Trading/Instinctive Film. Channel 4 have no involvement in production however they do have UK distribution rights.

There is a brief suggestion in the credits, though I can't confirm this, that it received a grant from the South African government, which might explain it's renewal.

just checked and assuming it does receive a grant from the South African government, they are willing to pay for 20-25% of foreign tvprotection costs (depending on how much is spent and where post-production takes place) and 35% of local production costs. They appear to have set it up as a south african company, but I do not know...

However, I've no idea how good a deal that actually is

Also, it does quite well On 4oD

Monday 3rd September 2012 - Full Roundup
BBC One
06:00 - Breakfast: 1.43m (35.65%)
13:45 - Doctors: 1.2m (17.7%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 3.69m (23%)
18:30 - BBC Regional News: 4.745m (27%)
19:00 - The One Show: 3.28m (17.0%)
20:00 - EastEnders: 6.86m (29.2%)
20:30 - Panorama: 2.76m (11.4%)
21:00 - New Tricks: 6.94m (27.8%)
* last week: 7.77m (31.6%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 5.13m (26%)
22:35 - Citizen Khan: 2.77m (19.27%)
* last week: 3.41m (20.9%)
* slot average: 2.86m (18.64%)

BBC Two
20:00 - University Challenge: 2.45m (10.4%)
20:30 - Lorraine's Fast, Fresh and Easy Food: 1.67m (7.1%)
21:00 - Horizon: 904k (3.64%) inc HD

ITV1
06:00 - Daybreak: 606k (17.19%)
* peak: 983k (18.24%) at 08:00
* slot average: 645k (17%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 5.89m (30.6%), +1: 173k (0.7%)
19:30 - Coronation Street: 7.96m (37.1%), +1: 231k (0.9%)
20:00 - Paul O'Grady: For The Love of Dogs: 4.03m (17.2%), +1: 240k (0.9%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.21m (33.8%), +1: 253k (1.0%)
21:00 - A Mother's Son: 4.54m (18.2%), +1: 462k (2.69%)
* slot average: 5.45m (22.01%)

Channel 4
13:00 - Paralympic Games 2012: 811k inc +1
17:25 - Paralympic Games 2012: 1.83m inc +1
19:30 - Paralympic Games 2012: 2.29m (9.6%), +1: 80k (0.4%)
* peak: 3.3m (13.75%) at 20:40 exc +1

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 624k (9.3%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 951k (7.2%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 730k (4.6%)
21:00 - Celebrity Big Brother: 1.79m (7.1%), +1: 192k (1.09%)
22:00 - Celebrity Wedding Planner: 762k (4.4%)
23:00 - Celebrity Big Brother's Bit on the Side: 551k (6%)

Primetime Shares
ITV1 - 22.0% (+1: 1.1%)
BBC One - 22.0%
Channel 4 - 8.5% (+1: 0.4%)
BBC Two - 5.7%
Channel 5 - 4.4% (+1: 0.3%)

All Day Shares inc +1's
BBC One - 20.1%
ITV1 - 17.3%
Channel 4 - 9.3%
BBC Two - 5.5%
Channel 5 - 4.6%
ITV2 - 2.7%
E4 - 2.1%

Multichannels
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 411k (2.3%)

BBC Three
21:00 - Our War: 655k (2.6%)
22:30 - EastEnders: 644k (4.2%)
23:00 - Family Guy: 772k (6.9%)
23:20 - Family Guy: 692k (7.9%)
23:45 - American Dad!: 615k (9.2%)

BBC Four
20:30 - Only Connect: 819k (3.4%)

Dave (inc +1)
21:00 - Mock The Week: 269.5k

E4
18:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 640k (4.0%) inc +1
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 406k (2.3%), +1: 104k (0.5%)
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 549k (2.8%), +1: 114k (0.5%)

Film4 (inc +1)
21:00 - Transporter 3: 709k (3.4%)

ITV2 (inc +1)
14:35 - The Jeremy Kyle Show: 0.6m (9.5%)

More4 (inc +1)
19:00- Paralympic Games 2012: 777k (4.0%)

Really (inc +1)
20:00 - Hart Of Dixie: 206k

Yesterday (inc +1)
19:20 - Last Of The Summer Wine: 280k

Source: Attentional, Broadcast (1, 2), C4 Sales, DS (1, 2, 3), ITV Media

The BBC collate and publish iPlayer downloads, and they also have Live +7(*) for timeshifts, the problem sems to be that other broadcasters do not provide that level of detail at the moment, so it is going to be difficult comparing ratings from the BBC with those from another broadcaster.


* The new Live +7 information measures the total audience consuming content across all platforms, including live, recordings, narrative repeats, BBC iPlayer and HD for seven days after transmission. The system makes extensive use of BARB data and collates these ratings relating to a particular programme or episode alongside BBC iPlayer stats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...27/live7.shtml

It is poor and seems one-sided, as is ITV Media's ratings commentary today. ITV1 had its best prime time Monday share since BGT. Errm, because they had a catastrophically bad summer. Digital highlight: best ITV multichannel show was Jeremy Kyle with 0.6m.. but not a single one of their channels had a programme in the digital top 10. Unusual but is not mentioned. The boss has clearly had a word about their previously largely fair articles.

EDIT after DMN's post: ITV1 actually tied at 22.0% with BBC1 (exc +1)

In all the never ending discussions regarding DW, you made a valid point. That you posted detailed ratings information and hardly got a thanks.

I agree. You have yet again posted some great info here and it must take time and effort to collate. So genuinely, thanks. At least it gives us the sound figures to discuss!

Yes thanks for posting DMN.

Yes thanks a lot D.M.N. You deserve much more thanks and praise than you get for the information you spend a lot of time providing.

Few people seem to have been overly harsh about New Tricks. It only lost 0.8m against a new ITV drama with Martin Clunes, it was always going to be down a bit. It's last series faced a 2m light entertainment show so facing a 4.5m drama that will attract a similar audience was always going to be tougher.

That being said, A Mother's Son did better than expected, the first vaguely positive news for ITV1 in a long time.

Didn't New Tricks last premiere one April? I may be wrong. This is a genuine question. If April was indeed the last launch, would it be prudent to suggest that ratings was higher for it because competition was lesser?

Agreed. Amid all of the many side arguments & discussions, this tends to get lost.

Yes, genuinely appreciate all the good effort D.M.N. (and others) put in to posting up the ratings info.

Last year's series started in July. Three of the last four series have started in July, the only one which didn't was the 2010 series that started in September and during that series, the ratings dropped to the lowest since 2006. So it could be deemed that airing in the summer is best for New Tricks as it has easier, non drama, competition. I think for people to still be expecting 8m overnights given last night's competiton is a bit much.

Apologies, you're right, it is rude to take it for granted. I'd like to thank you, in particular, for the wonderful ratings breakdowns that you post here.

Some good news for ITV last night. It's the rare night where they did well against strong competition - O'Grady over 4m against Eastenders, A Mother's Son pulling a good number against the BBC's biggest weeknight drama. Emmerdale looking a bit low, though.

Still a solid night for BBC1 but it'd look a lot better if New Tricks and Eastenders had been just slightly higher and cracked 7m. Both probably taking a hit from ITV fielding stronger competition than usual. Although New Tricks does appear to be down on last summer? Can't find the equivalent episode ratings for last year on Google, though.

On the Doctor Who thing, I don't generally mind. But it's now Tuesday. I can understand it flaring up on a Sunday but there seemed to be an awful lot of posts going round in the same circle. Especially when the Monday ratings were actually quite interesting, I think.

So bearing that in mind, last nights ratings for New Tricks were very good. I wonder, had the Olympics not occurred this year, whether it would had started in July as usual.

Which year though, did it start on Easter Monday? I remember it on that day but forget which year.

just to pick up this point and add some ratings-related spin to the DW/NT debate...

if you look at the iPlayer requests for last August / September's seriesseseses, DW got an average of over 1million requests (and 1.5m for an episode that straddled the two months, unless there was some double counting going on?), but NT didn't exceed 233k...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacent...nthly_0811.pdf
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacent...nthly_0911.pdf

K

PS and thank you DMN and others that concisely report the figures from the relevant sources - we couldn't have these arguments without you!!!

1.9 for CBB C5 should be happy!

How on earth can people still be watching this show?

Clearly the person writing the article did not know what he/she was talking about which I'm afraid applies to many people who write about broadcasting matters.The audience was 606,000 which was almost exactly the figure GMTV ended on. The re-launch wasn't particularly publicised by ITV so it will be interesting to see figures for the rest of the week. BBC Breakfast 1.4 million by the way.

I agree 100% with the above.

Over the last few days I have been waiting to see if anybody was going to say anything.

I'd like to make a general point.

What is the purpose of somebody repeating the same point over and over again? I think one point has been repeated approx 50 times over the last several days.

However strongly one feels about something, no purpose is served by this endless repetition.

Does someone think that repeating a point so many times makes other people more likely to agree with them?

Well it doesn't. As well as being incredibly tedious and ruining the thread other readers will ask why does the person need to repeat themselves so often? I suspect other readers are actually less likely to agree with the person constantly repeating themselves! They are certainly more likely to become bored and less interested in the point the other person is making!

Thank you. It had to be said though, because discussion quality has gone down a lot in the past few months and turned into rinsing and repeating the same things with some users bringing their own agendas into the thread or just being rude, making the thread worse in the process. I'm not the only one that thinks that, either.

Moving on though...


Thanks for that. Am I right in saying though, that if BARB sees that specific BARB users are watching things an excessive amount of times, say watching something 8 times a day, then BARB removes their box as they are skewing the data?

Also, are there any particular shows where people 'repeat watch', or is it similar across the board?

Moving onto last night, BBC One was dented across the board it seems last night with Paralympics, Paul O'Grady's programme and A Mother's Son, but still had a 22 percent share. New Tricks rating may be a little low, but in the grand scheme of things, its overnight is still one of the highest rating for a drama this year, and ratings won't determine whether it will get axed or not. That would be a 'natural end' reason seeing as New Tricks could easily drop another million and still stay, unless it costs a lot, which I don't think it will. Someone compared Citizen Khan's rating with Mrs Brown's Boys rating for Series 1. I'm not sure I particularly agree with the comparison as Mrs Brown's Boys I think increased every time during Series 1, whereas Citizen Khan has already dropped. Okay, there is the Bank Holiday factor, but it shall be interesting to see if it holds up and secure a Series 2 commission.

Unusually poor Monday night for BBC Two. University Challenge did well, but apart from that, not much to smile about elsewhere. It doesn't matter too much for them, seeing as Tuesday night seems to be their main night for them at the moment, with The Great British Bake Off and The Midwives doing great business.

ITV1 had a good night, but seeing ITV Media point out that it is their best Monday share since Britain's Got Talent week in early May shows how bad their Summer is, thanks to tough competition but also bad programming and embarrassing ratings. Emmerdale recorded an oddly low - and worrying - viewership and share for a Monday night in September. Given that their 40th anniversary next month, I haven't seen anything to suggest that it is going to rise majorly for next month. Does anyone know if trailers are going to be starting to air for it in the next few weeks? Even if the storylines are pretty bad, promoting it a lot in the next month and a bit should guarantee at least 8m+ for their live episode in October (I would hope so anyway, given the major success of EastEnders and Coronation Street's anniversaries). The Mother's Son did very well against New Tricks, we've seen in the past dramas squashed there, it was well documented here how it killed The Bill off. Yesterday's episode should timeshift to ~6m, although I still expect tonight's episode to drop off the usual 1 million to ~3.6m - it could, ironically, win the slot though as Accused's ratings trajectory has been heading south.

Compared to the past few days, some lower ratings for the Paralympics. Not necessarily disappointing, but just lower all around, even in daytime. Primetime being down is not surprised as everyone gets back into their usual routines with kids back to school. Even if it does drop further, the all day share is double the usual for Channel 4, so the Games have still been a big success for them.

Celebrity Wedding Planner underperformed on Channel 5, especially when considering The Bachelor did only 47k worse in a later slot.

D.M.N. - just to add my thanks for all the hard work you do and the huge positive contribution you make to this thread.

You wouldn't do very well on Just a Minute!

K

Maybe some folk take their example from the BBC, or ITV, or any one of many broadcasters - because after all, they are full of repeats!