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given that Doctor Who is airing 5 episodes then taking a break, they may not switch it with Strictly when it starts, but when Strictly gets going, Doctor Who starts its mini break (cos you know, its a Radio 2 DJ now), Strictly can move into the timeslot with the confidence of being a few episodes in.
oh and Wednesday ratings, no bragging rights for anyone really, ITV looks lower than the BBC, which would look stronger without the Flowerpot Gang. |
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Really it depends what 5 are looking for though. If they want something younger skewing to pair with Big Brother for example I'd probably push them toward something like The Mindy Project or The New Normal. If they want something more broad than that then Go On or Goodwin Games is probably the route to take. Personally I'd recommend they pick up 1600 Penn regardless. That's a great concept and a great cast. The New Normal I believe has been picked up by E4. |
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Jessie J has just confirmed on Twitter that she's returning for series 2 of The Voice.
https://twitter.com/JessieJ/status/238783654917197825 I WILL be a coach on the 2nd series of The Voice UK! I'm B B B BACK! As I have always said. Unless you hear it from me- Don't always believe what you read! Can't wait! #thevoiceuk #weback *fist to the sky*
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I see the Daily Mail is reporting that Bottom returns for a new 6 part series on BBC2 next year. Interesting if true (and it's any good).
D.M.N. posted all the links earlier, but probably worth copying over the details of the new BBC Two shows: Quote:
DRAMA http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...mmissions.htmlWolf Hall A thrilling six-part adaptation Hilary Mantel’s novels, the Man Booker Prize-winning Wolf Hall and Bring Up The Bodies. England in the 1520s is a heartbeat from disaster. If Henry VIII dies without a male heir, the country could be destroyed by civil war. Into the impasse steps Thomas Cromwell; son of a brutal blacksmith, a political genius, a briber, a bully and a charmer, Cromwell has broken all the rules of a rigid society in his rise to power, and is prepared to break some more. Pitting himself against parliament, the political establishment and the papacy, he is prepared to reshape England to his own and Henry VIII’s desires. Writer: Peter Straughan, Indie: Company Pictures, George Faber, BBC exec: Polly Hill The Honourable Woman Following the critically acclaimed, The Shadow Line, Hugo Blick returns with The Honourable Woman (6x60). The daughter of a UK Zionist gun-runner inherits her murdered father's company and by dramatically inverting its purpose from supplying tanks to tractors starts a deadly political war. Hugo Blick says: “This is a suspenseful spy thriller about inheritance, political and personal, and the lengths some spies will go to not only to deceive their enemies - but also themselves.” The Honourable Woman is being made by Eight Rooks. The BBC Executive Producer is Polly Hill. COMEDY Our Men David Mitchell and Robert Webb lead the cast in their first new comedy drama series; Our Men follows the lives and loves of the British Embassy team in Tazbekistan, one of the ex-Soviet ‘Stans’. David Mitchell plays Keith Davis, the newly appointed British Ambassador of Tazbekistan – ambitious, he intends to make his mark in this posting. Standing beside him is Neil Tilly, Deputy Head of Mission (Robert Webb). While Davis is out representing Britain, Neil is in the Embassy pulling the levers and managing the staff. It’s a tough posting where they are far more likely to be drinking lethal vodka in the President’s hunting yurt than having G&Ts on the lawn. Written by James Wood and Rupert Walters, the executive producers are Kenton Allen and Luke Alkin for Big Talk Productions and Chris Sussman for BBC Comedy. Heading Out Broadcaster and comedian Sue Perkins will take the lead role in a self-penned new comedy, Heading Out. Perkins plays Sara – a veterinarian so skilled, she can spay a tortoise one-handed. She’s successful, she’s popular – there’s just one chink in her armour – she’s too scared to tell her parents she’s gay. On the evening of her 40th birthday, Sara’s friends give her an ultimatum: either she tells her parents when they come to visit in six weeks’ time, or they will. To help Sara achieve this goal, they’ve saved up to buy a series of sessions with Toria, the eccentric and mildly-qualified lifestyle coach / therapist, and so the countdown begins... Heading Out was commissioned by Kristian Smith, Executive Editor, BBC Comedy Commissioning. The 6x30 series is a co-production between RED Production Company and Square Peg TV. Nicola Shindler is executive producing for RED Production Company with Debi Allen executive producer for Square Peg TV. The executive producer for the BBC is Kristian Smith. Hooligans' Island Next year it will be 18 years since Richie Rich and Eddie Hitler last graced our television screens in cult hit, Bottom. So what has happened to these titans of comedy? Are they still living in one of the dirtiest and least hygienic flats uncondemned by Health and Safety? Are they still drinking neat furniture polish whilst hitting each other over the head with large metal objects, setting fire to each other as they seek to impress gullible members of the opposite sex, and each other? Or are they down the pub? No, they are abandoned, lost, shipwrecked on the tropical hell hole that is Hooligans Island and they are still hitting each other over the head with large metal objects, still chasing women, even though there are none on the island, and still waiting for that job seekers allowance cheque as they distil something quite like alcohol, only worse. And they are back on BBC Two in 2013 for six new episodes starring Rik Mayall and Ade Edmondson. Be afraid, be very afraid and then just a little bit bilious. Hooligans' Island is a BBC In-house comedy co-production with Phil McIntyre productions. It will be executive produced by Jon Plowman for the BBC and Lucy Ansbro for Phil McIntyre Productions. Count Arthur Strong Graham Linehan (IT Crowd, Father Ted, Black Books), is working with Steve Delaney, the creator of Sony Award-winning radio character Count Arthur Strong, to take the character on the full journey from Edinburgh cult to his television debut. Count Arthur Strong is an elderly pompous show-business legend… though really just an out-of-work deluded thespian originally from Doncaster, in the north of England. Delaney's geriatric creation is a mixture of physical and mental clumsiness, mirthful malapropisms and Tourettic tics, whose pride forbids him from ever conceding fallibility, even as his world crashes around him. The 6x30 series is being made by Retort and Komedia Entertainment. Executive producers are Jon Rolph for Retort, Richard Daws for Komedia and Gregor Sharp for the BBC. Gregor Sharp says: “We are absolutely delighted to see Graham and Steve join the immensely talented group of writers and comedians making brilliant shows across the BBC channels.” FACTUAL The Genius Of Invention In 2013, BBC Two will look back over the history of British inventions with a major year-long celebration of British inventiveness and ingenuity, with programmes from history, science, documentaries and arts. In The Genius Of Invention, presenters including Michael Mosley, Liz Bonin, the Hairy Bikers, Professor Brian Cox and Dan Snow will explore the lasting influence of Britain’s scientific and engineering history. The World That Women Made (w/t) It is an inescapable truth that throughout history, women’s artistry has rarely been seen as ‘true art’ in the eyes of institutions and commerce. Yet, the female hand and the female gaze have more than played their played their part in shaping the visual culture of the modern world. In a three-part series, Amanda Vickery travels from the Renaissance to the 20th century to explore and explain the story of female creativity through the ages. Tackling art professionals and ordinary women, Amanda will explore how the story of women in art can help us unlock the key to the female psyche and how the representation can help us understand how artistic attitudes and social tastes have evolved through the years. The 3x60 series is being executive produced by Ross Wilson for Matchlight Productions and Adam Barker for the BBC. Some exciting sounding stuff in there. I love to see a big fat historical drama with plenty of ambition and the new Mitchell & Webb series looks worth a look too. BBC Two feels like a channel on the up, adding plenty of scripted sparkle to the factual bread-and-butter and I hope they can sustain that sort of momentum. Though the overall channel share is on the decline, it feels like there's an awful lot more serious, flagship programmes being produced now - big science/history docs, large-scale factual seasons, lavish drama and BBC Films. Great stuff. In fact, perhaps thats why the channel share is on the decline. Not that it should stop them - The Hollow Crown got dismal numbers, but it's clearly what the channel should be doing more of.) Overall, I just feel a lot more certain about what BBC Two is actually there for than I have done in a long while. Janice Hadlow has done a good job, and many could learn from her - starting with Jay Hunt. C4 just seems so incredibly self-satisfied these days. Their love of their own ethos seems so strong, that they seem to neither notice nor care when the schedules are pumped with massively derivative programmes from poached big names, or when they actively recoil from the opportunity to replace fading favourites. Bizarre. |
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Overall, I just feel a lot more certain about what BBC Two is actually there for than I have done in a long while. Janice Hadlow has done a good job, and many could learn from her - starting with Jay Hunt. C4 just seems so incredibly self-satisfied these days. Their love of their own ethos seems so strong, that they seem to neither notice nor care when the schedules are pumped with massively derivative programmes from poached big names, or when they actively recoil from the opportunity to replace fading favourites. Bizarre. |
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Unless I'm mistaken I don't think any of the ITV shows you mentioned actually aired on Saturday night so I'm not sure what relevance they have when discussing the Saturday night schedule. And I'm not entirely sure what relevance ITV's game shows have over discussing BBC1's Saturday night schedule. It seems to me this entire post essentially amounts to – yeah but the BBC1 quizzes aren't as bad as ITV's.
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The last lottery branded quiz of 2012 will air 13/10/2012
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It's almost like Channel 5 is too big to have a niche and too small to get the big audiences. Comedy might be a better option - it's usually cheaper. Repeats better than drama. But again, who do they aim it at?
In the discussions on Channel Four, I think it's notable that their two panel shows this year have both been hugely derivative and obvious - A Short History Of Everything Else and The Mad Bad Ad Show - while the much maligned Dave have done a panel show about maths. Quote:
I think they showed an all foreign qualifier on ITV4 last year too (after disastrous ratings the year before). The Europa League has nothing to do with it - the contracts are completely separate, and I doubt UEFA have anything to do with it - it's more about the advertisers.
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I see the Daily Mail is reporting that Bottom returns for a new 6 part series on BBC2 next year. Interesting if true (and it's any good). The Mail says it used to get 4m a week in the 90s, but I think it was nearer 6m - BBC2's top rated show at the time.
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Well, in a way they missed a trick because ITV2 are managing to get success from Celebrity Juice which presumably costs bugger all to make, and a big panel game could be an inexpensive hit. A decade ago though they tried this kind of thing but they all looked like derivative copies of BBC2 formats, whereas they need something that has an obvious Channel Five sensibility.
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"We'd love to [do one], but let's not force it, it's got to be the right idea. At the end of the day, we are looking for returnable formats."
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Jessie J has just confirmed on Twitter that she's returning for series 2 of The Voice.
https://twitter.com/JessieJ/status/238783654917197825 I WILL be a coach on the 2nd series of The Voice UK! I'm B B B BACK! As I have always said. Unless you hear it from me- Don't always believe what you read! Can't wait! #thevoiceuk #weback *fist to the sky* ![]() |
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BBC Head of entertainment also says there will be fewer live shows of the Voice next series. The spinning chairs and auditions will last much longer in season two.
Infact select all the finalists blind and are revealed on mass to the judges who are left wondering which voice belonged to which person...thus delaying that moment of surprise or shock? |
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I take it last nights delayed.
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That is a good point - and although getting something to stick is the tricky point, C5 only really need to find one defining show in the genre just to tick that box.
Absolutely agree. It's also very short term innovation - C4 seems to schedule from week to week now and has done nothing to find those anchor shows long term in the 2-3 years since axing Big Brother. We've all said it before but it really is quite simple - drama at 10pm, comedy on Fridays and establishing what kind of factual shows people can expect to find at 8pm and 9pm each night rather than just throwing them anywhere. Hey Brekkie you are a star now - you know you are mentioned in the latest issue of What Satellite & Digital TV!
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If that's the case they may switch Doctor Who and Strictly around and really heighten the pressure on The X Factor. BBC One are calling the shots on this one - all ITV can hope for is to stir up some press pressure but I have the feeling the tabloids aren't as avidly supportive of The X Factor as they once were.
The last series of SCD was excellent - really good Saturday night entertainment - the shows, the sets, the whole thing was great and thoroughly enjoyable.
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I think Strictly has a really good chance of regularly beating XF this year, if the line up is good enough. One had arguably its best series ever last year, and one reached a bit of a nadir. That's already being reflected, it seems, in TXF's launch ratings, but it remains to be seen how it'll affect Strictly.
If Strictly gets a big Olympian I think it'll be a big success this year. Olympic fever is still in full flow. |
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BBC Head of entertainment also says there will be fewer live shows of the Voice next series. The spinning chairs and auditions will last much longer in season two.
As I've said previously, the one major thing they have to change is show it in January. Conclusion by end of March. It'd be a ratings winner. |
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BBC1 to announce "major" new gameshow in a couple of hours. #edtvfest -- Michael Rosser (@MichaelRosser)
Don't Scare The Hare....The Bunny Fights Back....
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BBC1 to announce "major" new gameshow in a couple of hours. #edtvfest -- Michael Rosser (@MichaelRosser)
Don't Scare The Hare....The Bunny Fights Back.... ![]() BBC1 announcing a new gameshow should do it.
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My predictive text came up with "gameshite" first rather than "gameshow"; technology is too clever by half these days...
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@mirrorjeffers on Twitter: Syco's Shu Greene says when The Voice was beating BGT she was at Simon Cowell's house 3 times a week re-editing the show.
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BBC1 to announce "major" new gameshow in a couple of hours. #edtvfest -- Michael Rosser (@MichaelRosser)
Don't Scare The Hare....The Bunny Fights Back.... ![]() Yesterday they announced the Wolf Hall adaptation, which we knew about last November!! |
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@mirrorjeffers on Twitter: Syco's Shu Greene says when The Voice was beating BGT she was at Simon Cowell's house 3 times a week re-editing the show.
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Both good news. The show failed as a live spectacle because it suddenly became a poor X Factor. I loved the audition rounds and they should definitely do more battle rounds.
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Well, they're not, but the point is that a lot of LE shows at the moment are quizzes, on all channels. The BBC have tried to put other formats around the lottery in the past - The Wright Ticket, for example, which was chat and music - but they haven't worked out, whereas many of the quizzes have. If they could find another suitable lottery format, doubtless they'd go for it, but there doesn't seem to be that many around. And it's not as if the Beeb are doing endless primetime quizzes outside the lottery, just a few celebrity episodes of Pointless.
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Why can't the Judges select a singer and the chairs not spin round....have an elimation process and then spin the chairs and the judges see what they have ended up with?
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Yeah, but one of the problems last time was too many people going out in one go, and surely fewer live shows will just increase that problem? Unless they're going to lose more in the battles, which would be alright.
Blind auditions as normal. Battle Rounds with the added ability for other coaches to 'steal' a rejected act (which is a brilliant addition on paper to a part of the show that has flagged in the US). Then a new round between the Battle Rounds and Live Shows where the acts can be whittled down to a more manageable level. The trick here will be to avoid turning into the judges houses stage of The X Factor. Although from what's been said in the US it'll be a series of performance shows with the judges selecting their final acts after they've done a solo performance. I also think the BBC might need to play around with their scheduling of The Voice a little for series two. If, for example, they're going to add a stage between Battles and Lives then it may be worth stripping that across the week. Maybe with each coaches acts performing on a given night with a big live results show of some kind on Saturday night. The Battle Rounds worked so well over here because the BBC made it an event. It was 'Battle Weekend'. They need to do more of that. |
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On a Channel 4 note Southcliffe sounds much more like the kind of thing they should be doing. A new 4 part drama from the writer of Red Riding. That'll be something to keep an eye on for next year.
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Yeah, but one of the problems last time was too many people going out in one go, and surely fewer live shows will just increase that problem? Unless they're going to lose more in the battles, which would be alright.
In terms of "making the audience care", I think more recorded.rounds help more here. Bootcamp and Judges Houses are incredibly important (and underappreciated) components of what makes XF work. |
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...f-bbc-one.html
- Danny confirms a new World War I drama about nurses called The Ark for the war's 100 year anniversary in 2014. Also a new detective series titled Quirke starring Gabriel Byrne. Big scoop! - Another big announcement - BBC has ordered game show Britain's Brightest to launch in early 2013. It's described as an "intelligence test show" and a "smart entertainment" series. |
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