Can we compare shares for XF year on year? That is far more important.
The Ratings Thread (Part 39)
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Originally Posted by Dancc:
“ITV1 logged only 14.2% of viewing yesterday. Very low considering one of their big hitters was on. Last Saturday they had a much more respectable 16.7% but normally at this time of year it would be even higher.
BBC One easily won the day with 19%. BBC Two, C4 and C5 all improved week-on-week to 5.3%, 4.8% and 4.5% respectively.”
“ITV1 logged only 14.2% of viewing yesterday. Very low considering one of their big hitters was on. Last Saturday they had a much more respectable 16.7% but normally at this time of year it would be even higher.
BBC One easily won the day with 19%. BBC Two, C4 and C5 all improved week-on-week to 5.3%, 4.8% and 4.5% respectively.”
Gosh. Makes me think POTC did rather well?
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“ITV1 logged only 14.2% of viewing yesterday. Very low considering one of their big hitters was on. Last Saturday they had a much more respectable 16.7% but normally at this time of year it would be even higher.
BBC One easily won the day with 19%. BBC Two, C4 and C5 all improved week-on-week to 5.3%, 4.8% and 4.5% respectively.”
“ITV1 logged only 14.2% of viewing yesterday. Very low considering one of their big hitters was on. Last Saturday they had a much more respectable 16.7% but normally at this time of year it would be even higher.
BBC One easily won the day with 19%. BBC Two, C4 and C5 all improved week-on-week to 5.3%, 4.8% and 4.5% respectively.”
As a counter to my previous post regarding the future of ITV, why now do people choose to watch the two main BBC channels more consistently than any other channel? Is it something that other broadcasters could learn from or, is it that the BBC learned from other broadcasters and are now simply just doing it better? I'm intrigued.
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Can we compare shares for XF year on year? That is far more important.”
“Can we compare shares for XF year on year? That is far more important.”
Well, it's not really. Shares are used as a backup to either justify a poor rating (usually) or to mitigate the other side's show rating better than you hoped.
I'm getting this thought that viewing figures will increase in the later stages of the competition, the second part of judges houses in 2010 (when the finalists were chosen) peaked at 16.6m, they need to pull something out of the bag if they are getting just 8 million average. But The Voice managed to build up on it (then completely drop), so we never know what'll happen.
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“I'm getting this thought that viewing figures will increase in the later stages of the competition, the second part of judges houses in 2010 (when the finalists were chosen) peaked at 16.6m, they need to pull something out of the bag if they are getting just 8 million average. But The Voice managed to build up on it (then completely drop), so we never know what'll happen.”
“I'm getting this thought that viewing figures will increase in the later stages of the competition, the second part of judges houses in 2010 (when the finalists were chosen) peaked at 16.6m, they need to pull something out of the bag if they are getting just 8 million average. But The Voice managed to build up on it (then completely drop), so we never know what'll happen.”
It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.
I love people calling that peak 'respecable' - its a great rating!
Why so low average
- Red/Black is a dreadful lead in
- I suspect Pirates rated well and if we get breakdowns we'll see the peak was immediately after that finished (also explaining the share)
- 7:45 start was stupid and am surprised ITV had enough faith in R/B to think they could play those tricks. Plain stupidity.
Next week? 8:20 following Doctor Who. It should do much better.
Why so low average
- Red/Black is a dreadful lead in
- I suspect Pirates rated well and if we get breakdowns we'll see the peak was immediately after that finished (also explaining the share)
- 7:45 start was stupid and am surprised ITV had enough faith in R/B to think they could play those tricks. Plain stupidity.
Next week? 8:20 following Doctor Who. It should do much better.
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“I'm getting this thought that viewing figures will increase in the later stages of the competition, the second part of judges houses in 2010 (when the finalists were chosen) peaked at 16.6m, they need to pull something out of the bag if they are getting just 8 million average. But The Voice managed to build up on it (then completely drop), so we never know what'll happen.”
“I'm getting this thought that viewing figures will increase in the later stages of the competition, the second part of judges houses in 2010 (when the finalists were chosen) peaked at 16.6m, they need to pull something out of the bag if they are getting just 8 million average. But The Voice managed to build up on it (then completely drop), so we never know what'll happen.”
29th September will be very interesting. If X-Factor has increased its viewing figures, then all well and good. But if it hasn't increased too much, AND strictly has some awesome celebrities, the 29th September could prove to be X-Factors nemesis.
For instance on that night, it is hugely likely that the first Saturday night Strictly show will air. Also will be the final episode of Doctor Who from its 5 episode run, AND the launch of Merlin too. Will that be enough to win huge ratings?
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
Let Fincham, Syco and Cummins know.
New excuses are needed because "the heat" clearly won't wash this time round!
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
Come on, it was school holidays last year when it launched too. And the year before, and the year before.........Why do we need to wait until after the holidays this year?
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Let Fincham, Syco and Cummins know.
New excuses are needed because "the heat" clearly won't wash this time round!”
“Let Fincham, Syco and Cummins know.
New excuses are needed because "the heat" clearly won't wash this time round!”
Will they need excuses?
X-Factor up on week one's performance.
Also the most watched programme yesterday.
I don't think ITV are going to be too worried.
Incidentally, what have you done with George? Your epic BBC vs ITV ratings battles seem to have vanished.
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
“It's school holidays and a lot of people are out of the country.
We won't be able to judge how TXF is doing this year until the school holidays are over and everyone is back at work. The next two weeks' ratings will give a better idea.”
Problem is at that time, it'll be up against shows like Doctor Who, Strictly. I think the problem is either the lead in (ROB) or the fact that no one is aware about it despite the fact it was trending on Twitter (as was ROB for a few minutes).
Decent peak but the average is so so by X Factor standards, the panel it seems struggle to re-create the magic of the golden four Cowell/Cole/Minogue/Walsh. And next week both ITV and BBC will have Channel 4's Olympics part two staring them in the face.
Rating of the week for me though was that Celtic game, even more woeful than the usual ITV Tuesday fare.
Rating of the week for me though was that Celtic game, even more woeful than the usual ITV Tuesday fare.
I do not understand the reason people want cash-cows such as X Factor, BGT, I'm a Celebrity etc to fail on ITV. These money generators allow for ITV to provide so much more than other commercial channels can afford.
I for one would hate an ITV that couldn't afford drama. Though BBC do often do drama very well, I would not like to be in a place where the only provider of FTA British drama in any quantity was ONLY on the BBC. Would a high investment show such as Downton Abbey have been produced by any other commercial channel in the UK? I think not. In the next couple of weeks, there are new drama's across ITV1 with Mother's Son and Mrs Biggs among the ones already in my planner.
You ask any other commercial channel if they would like the ratings winning, money generating Cowell shows and other reality programming. For every head of channel that says no - I will show you a liar.
I for one would hate an ITV that couldn't afford drama. Though BBC do often do drama very well, I would not like to be in a place where the only provider of FTA British drama in any quantity was ONLY on the BBC. Would a high investment show such as Downton Abbey have been produced by any other commercial channel in the UK? I think not. In the next couple of weeks, there are new drama's across ITV1 with Mother's Son and Mrs Biggs among the ones already in my planner.
You ask any other commercial channel if they would like the ratings winning, money generating Cowell shows and other reality programming. For every head of channel that says no - I will show you a liar.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“As a counter to my previous post regarding the future of ITV, why now do people choose to watch the two main BBC channels more consistently than any other channel? Is it something that other broadcasters could learn from or, is it that the BBC learned from other broadcasters and are now simply just doing it better? I'm intrigued.”
“As a counter to my previous post regarding the future of ITV, why now do people choose to watch the two main BBC channels more consistently than any other channel? Is it something that other broadcasters could learn from or, is it that the BBC learned from other broadcasters and are now simply just doing it better? I'm intrigued.”
Perhaps because the BBC have a massive programme budget compared to the commercial channels?
BBC One has an annual budget of around £1.1bn compared to ITV1's £750m.
You can buy a lot of viewing hours with £350m extra to spend a year.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“...the 29th September could prove to be X-Factors nemesis.For instance on that night, it is hugely likely that the first Saturday night Strictly show will air. Also will be the final episode of Doctor Who from its 5 episode run, AND the launch of Merlin too. Will that be enough to win huge ratings?”
“...the 29th September could prove to be X-Factors nemesis.For instance on that night, it is hugely likely that the first Saturday night Strictly show will air. Also will be the final episode of Doctor Who from its 5 episode run, AND the launch of Merlin too. Will that be enough to win huge ratings?”
We already know the Strictly dates. The launch show is on 8th September, with the first live show on 29th September.
Strictly will probably take the 6.30pm slot with X Factor following at around 8.15pm.
On the question of Olympians - Rebecca Adlington has ruled herself out of Strictly because of her charity bike ride, but Victoria Pendleton is still being suggested.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Perhaps because the BBC have a massive programme budget compared to the commercial channels?
BBC One has an annual budget of around £1.1bn compared to ITV1's £750m.
You can buy a lot of viewing hours with £350m extra to spend a year.”
“Perhaps because the BBC have a massive programme budget compared to the commercial channels?
BBC One has an annual budget of around £1.1bn compared to ITV1's £750m.
You can buy a lot of viewing hours with £350m extra to spend a year.”
But the BBC have always had more money available, but in the past it was not watched as much as ITV. My point is, money aside, what has caused BBC One to become the nations most watched channel when up until recently it was always ITV1.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“As a counter to my previous post regarding the future of ITV, why now do people choose to watch the two main BBC channels more consistently than any other channel? Is it something that other broadcasters could learn from or, is it that the BBC learned from other broadcasters and are now simply just doing it better? I'm intrigued.”
“As a counter to my previous post regarding the future of ITV, why now do people choose to watch the two main BBC channels more consistently than any other channel? Is it something that other broadcasters could learn from or, is it that the BBC learned from other broadcasters and are now simply just doing it better? I'm intrigued.”
I can't speak for anyone else, but I hate bloody adverts.
This Year: 8.4m (36.1%)/8.77m (38.3%)
- peak: 10.9m (46%) inc +1
Last Year: 10.1m (42.8%)/10.6m
- peak: 12.0m inc +1
Down 6 share points year-on-year. Looking at the respective peaks, I have a feeling Pirates of the Caribbean dented it badly.
Either way it's a very poor rating.
- peak: 10.9m (46%) inc +1
Last Year: 10.1m (42.8%)/10.6m
- peak: 12.0m inc +1
Down 6 share points year-on-year. Looking at the respective peaks, I have a feeling Pirates of the Caribbean dented it badly.
Either way it's a very poor rating.
The family watched pirates last night and didn't even bother turning over to X-Factor last night... I have a feeling a lot of families felt the same way.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“But the BBC have always had more money available, but in the past it was not watched as much as ITV. My point is, money aside, what has caused BBC One to become the nations most watched channel when up until recently it was always ITV1.”
“But the BBC have always had more money available, but in the past it was not watched as much as ITV. My point is, money aside, what has caused BBC One to become the nations most watched channel when up until recently it was always ITV1.”
it's been over 10 years since ITV1 was "top of the pile":
http://www.barb.co.uk/facts/annual-s...f-viewing?_s=4
Multichannel TV has hit ITV1 harder than BBC1, by the looks of things...
K
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Problem is at that time, it'll be up against shows like Doctor Who, Strictly. I think the problem is either the lead in (ROB) or the fact that no one is aware about it despite the fact it was trending on Twitter (as was ROB for a few minutes).”
“Problem is at that time, it'll be up against shows like Doctor Who, Strictly. I think the problem is either the lead in (ROB) or the fact that no one is aware about it despite the fact it was trending on Twitter (as was ROB for a few minutes).”
I think there is too much emphasis on lead-in these days as has been proved on so many occassions. I think junctions are much more important than lead-in.
For example, the Emmerdale, Corrie, Eastenders and Corrie line up on Monday evenings get ratings of between 6-8 million fans per episode, yet the programming inbetween is often half this amount. People are perfectly capable of switching over when something they do not want to watch is on.
Coronation Street will get around 7million viewers on a Friday for the 8:30pm episode. The 9 o'clock programme which even has Corrie in the title gets less than 25% of that figure. The lead in has meant nothing. The 9pm junction means people who are uninterested will leave.
I remember BGT having over 10million viewers per episode. This was followed by ITV's remake of the Prisoner which was lucky to get 2 million viewers per episode. Reason - It was awful - and most viewers will not just stick around because they are already on the channel. Same for Royal Bodyguard on BBC1. Millions were watching Mrs Brown's Boys - then over half of them were switching over when RB came on. Reason - it was awful - and the viewers are no incapable of using a remote control.
I do not think the lower than last years ratings for X-Factor can be blamed for the Red or Black lead-in IMO.
Saturday 25th August 2012
BBC One
18:20 - FILM: Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: 3.65m (18.9%)
20:30 - The National Lottery: Secret Fortune: 3.56m (16.0%)
21:20 - Casualty: 4.12m (19.0%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 3.89m (27.5%)
BBC Two
19:30 - Dad's Army: 2.29m (11.3%)
20:00 - BBC Proms 2012: 955k (4.4%)
ITV1
19:00 - Red or Black?: 3.42m (18.3%), +1: 106k (0.5%)
19:45 - The X Factor: 8.4m (36.1%), +1: 475k (2.2%)
* lowest second audition rating since 2007
21:00 - Red or Black?: 3.70m (16.9%), +1: 177k (0.9%)
21:45 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.52m (12.6%), +1: 208k (1.5%)
Channel 4
21:00 - Channel 4's 30 Greatest Comedy Shows: 1.11m (5.5%)
Channel 5
21:00 - Celebrity Big Brother: 1.32m (6.1%), +1: 128k (0.7%)
Primetime Shares
ITV1 - 22.6% (+1: 1.3%)
BBC One - 19.2%
BBC Two - 5.8%
Channel 5 - 4.5% (+1: 0.3%)
Channel 4 - 3.7% (+1: 0.5%).
Multichannels
Film4
21:00 - FILM: Die Hard 4.0: 889k (4.7%)
ITV2
21:15 - The Xtra Factor: 858k (4.0%), +1: 133k (0.8%)
Source: DS
BBC One
18:20 - FILM: Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: 3.65m (18.9%)
20:30 - The National Lottery: Secret Fortune: 3.56m (16.0%)
21:20 - Casualty: 4.12m (19.0%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 3.89m (27.5%)
BBC Two
19:30 - Dad's Army: 2.29m (11.3%)
20:00 - BBC Proms 2012: 955k (4.4%)
ITV1
19:00 - Red or Black?: 3.42m (18.3%), +1: 106k (0.5%)
19:45 - The X Factor: 8.4m (36.1%), +1: 475k (2.2%)
* lowest second audition rating since 2007
21:00 - Red or Black?: 3.70m (16.9%), +1: 177k (0.9%)
21:45 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.52m (12.6%), +1: 208k (1.5%)
Channel 4
21:00 - Channel 4's 30 Greatest Comedy Shows: 1.11m (5.5%)
Channel 5
21:00 - Celebrity Big Brother: 1.32m (6.1%), +1: 128k (0.7%)
Primetime Shares
ITV1 - 22.6% (+1: 1.3%)
BBC One - 19.2%
BBC Two - 5.8%
Channel 5 - 4.5% (+1: 0.3%)
Channel 4 - 3.7% (+1: 0.5%).
Multichannels
Film4
21:00 - FILM: Die Hard 4.0: 889k (4.7%)
ITV2
21:15 - The Xtra Factor: 858k (4.0%), +1: 133k (0.8%)
Source: DS
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“But the BBC have always had more money available, but in the past it was not watched as much as ITV. My point is, money aside, what has caused BBC One to become the nations most watched channel when up until recently it was always ITV1.”
“But the BBC have always had more money available, but in the past it was not watched as much as ITV. My point is, money aside, what has caused BBC One to become the nations most watched channel when up until recently it was always ITV1.”
This is not true.
There is only an infinite amount of advertising money to go around. Back in the day of 4 channels, that money was simply devided between ITV1 and Ch4. There was less choice available, so more people watching the adverts meant more income for the only players in the market place.
The BBC are certainly in a better financial position than the commercial channels as they have a guaranteed income of more money than any other FTA commercial broadcaster.
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