Shocking for ITV1's 'Harry's Mountain Heroes'. This time last year BBC1 broadcast 'Harry's Arctic Heroes' (where do ITV get their ideas from by the way?!) and both episodes averaged 4.8m. Given all the media attention on Harry it should of done a lot better.
The Ratings Thread (Part 39)
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Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“The BBC isn't a commercial organisation though and therefore shouldn't be in a position where they're running shows and formats into the ground in the name of ratings. They have the freedom to be able to add more depth and variety to their scheduling without having to worry about how they'll sell the changes to advertisers. The commercial channels don't. And frankly I think BBC1 has been much worse than ITV1 as of late when it comes to overexposing shows. With the exception of at least one too many episodes a week for Coronation Street and Emmerdale ITV have actually been surprisingly restrained in recent times. Not so the BBC who have too many episodes of The One Show (including spin-offs and clip shows), Casualty, Holby City, Waterloo Road, Countryfile, Antiques Roadshow and God knows what else. And just how many repeats of Miranda have there been on prime time BBC1? It may not have actually been a lot but its starting to feel like it.”
“The BBC isn't a commercial organisation though and therefore shouldn't be in a position where they're running shows and formats into the ground in the name of ratings. They have the freedom to be able to add more depth and variety to their scheduling without having to worry about how they'll sell the changes to advertisers. The commercial channels don't. And frankly I think BBC1 has been much worse than ITV1 as of late when it comes to overexposing shows. With the exception of at least one too many episodes a week for Coronation Street and Emmerdale ITV have actually been surprisingly restrained in recent times. Not so the BBC who have too many episodes of The One Show (including spin-offs and clip shows), Casualty, Holby City, Waterloo Road, Countryfile, Antiques Roadshow and God knows what else. And just how many repeats of Miranda have there been on prime time BBC1? It may not have actually been a lot but its starting to feel like it.”
We'll be seeing a lot more repeats on the BBC due to budget cuts. Get use to it people!
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“Unless of course the high peak represents viewers turning on not liking what they see and then switching back off again. And certainly the recurring theme of X Factor viewers this year seems to be that they aren't enjoying the audition shows.”
“Unless of course the high peak represents viewers turning on not liking what they see and then switching back off again. And certainly the recurring theme of X Factor viewers this year seems to be that they aren't enjoying the audition shows.”
It's unusual to have a high peak but an average similar to the previous week. Could a higher peak mean a higher timeshift for next week?
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“No it hasn't. Don't be ridiculous.”
“No it hasn't. Don't be ridiculous.”
Do you expect the audience to be more interested in the live shows then?
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Unless of course the high peak represents viewers turning on not liking what they see and then switching back off again. And certainly the recurring theme of X Factor viewers this year seems to be that they aren't enjoying the audition shows.”
“Unless of course the high peak represents viewers turning on not liking what they see and then switching back off again. And certainly the recurring theme of X Factor viewers this year seems to be that they aren't enjoying the audition shows.”
I'm pretty sure that the peak was at the end of the show. It tends to build throughout. I think Saturday's show's main problem was that it was very poorly edited. Far too much filler and waffle and not enough auditions. Hopefully a 60 minute show this week will encourage them to be tighter. After they did so well with BGT earlier in the year this definitely feels like a backwards step though.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“22:20 - Citizen Khan: 3.41m (20.9%)”
“22:20 - Citizen Khan: 3.41m (20.9%)”
Not bad at all for Citizen Kahn. We'll see how it holds up over the coming weeks but clearly the terrible reviews didn't stop people from tuning in and in fact they might have helped it since a decent amount of feedback seems to be along the lines of 'not as bad as expected'. But after the success of Mrs Brown I do wonder if this is the tactic the BBC is going to take with new comedy more often now – launch it out of prime time and let it find its feet and audience (which certainly wouldn't be a bad idea). Be interesting to see what they do with some of the big name comedy projects they've announced.
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“22:00 - The Boyle Variety Performance: 898k (5.5%), +1: 135k (1.5%)”
“22:00 - The Boyle Variety Performance: 898k (5.5%), +1: 135k (1.5%)”
Another poor performance from another Frankie Boyle show on Channel 4. How many chances is he going to get?
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“20:30 - Only Connect: 905k (3.8%)”
“20:30 - Only Connect: 905k (3.8%)”
Very good. Hopefully the BBC resist the urge to move it away from BBC4.
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“21:00 - A Touch of Cloth: 384k (1.6%)”
“21:00 - A Touch of Cloth: 384k (1.6%)”
Disappointed to see this drop so much. It was already low for the first half. Shame. I enjoyed it though.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Monday 27th August 2012
BBC Four
20:30 - Only Connect: 905k (3.8%)
...
Super for Only Connect on BBC4.”
“Monday 27th August 2012
BBC Four
20:30 - Only Connect: 905k (3.8%)
...
Super for Only Connect on BBC4.”
Indeed, I think the highest reported overnight previously was something under 600k (but my memory may be wrong on that)
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Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“TXF has lost a certain percentage of the audience it had....like I said it has a reputation for stellar ratings...still popular but not mass appeal...”
“TXF has lost a certain percentage of the audience it had....like I said it has a reputation for stellar ratings...still popular but not mass appeal...”
People really do need to avoid this temptation to slip into ridiculous hyperbole when discussing The X Factor. To suggest that its lost is mass appeal is not only patently untrue its just stupid.
Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“On those BARB figures, that X Factor rating is a worry when its also backed by similarly low overnights for episode 2. It really needs a boost with Who over the next 5 weeks.”
“On those BARB figures, that X Factor rating is a worry when its also backed by similarly low overnights for episode 2. It really needs a boost with Who over the next 5 weeks.”
Although given that about 50% of Doctor Who's audience tend not to watch it live I'm really not sure what kind of boost people are expecting the show to give The X Factor. I understand the theory that another big show on Saturday night draws eyes to Saturday night television in general and that Who provides a lead-in of sorts for The X Factor. But Doctor Who's live audience just doesn't seem big enough to do that. The audience has to watch Doctor Who live to then flick the channel over to ITV and watch The X Factor.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“We'll be seeing a lot more repeats on the BBC due to budget cuts. Get use to it people!”
“We'll be seeing a lot more repeats on the BBC due to budget cuts. Get use to it people!”
I don't object to repeats I just wish there was a greater variety of them (in terms of the shows they repeat). I really don't understand why we need another run of Miranda repeats for example. Is there really nothing else the BBC can put in that slot? Nothing at all? And surely by repeating the show this often they just condition the audience to think that any showing is a repeat? There is a massive variety of content across the BBC they could do with cycling more of that into the repeat rotation.
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“Do you expect the audience to be more interested in the live shows then?”
“Do you expect the audience to be more interested in the live shows then?”
Not the point I was making.
A show that is pulling overnights of more than 8 million and final numbers of around 10 million (plus x amount from ITV Player) clearly has not lost its mass appeal. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Yes the show has dropped year-on-year but that drop does not equate to a loss of mass appeal. And I might remember some of these statements for Sunday morning when Doctor Who overnights at around 7 million and then a week later when it finishes with a final of around 9 million (and x amount of iPlayer views) and everyone is falling over themselves to say what a huge hit it is and that it still has mass appeal.
What could XF do to bring in the higher ratings that we've seen in the previous years? There's news that Simon Cowell is going to make an appearance sometime this series, and something about an Olympic week...
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Although given that about 50% of Doctor Who's audience tend not to watch it live I'm really not sure what kind of boost people are expecting the show to give The X Factor. I understand the theory that another big show on Saturday night draws eyes to Saturday night television in general and that Who provides a lead-in of sorts for The X Factor. But Doctor Who's live audience just doesn't seem big enough to do that. The audience has to watch Doctor Who live to then flick the channel over to ITV and watch The X Factor.”
“Although given that about 50% of Doctor Who's audience tend not to watch it live I'm really not sure what kind of boost people are expecting the show to give The X Factor. I understand the theory that another big show on Saturday night draws eyes to Saturday night television in general and that Who provides a lead-in of sorts for The X Factor. But Doctor Who's live audience just doesn't seem big enough to do that. The audience has to watch Doctor Who live to then flick the channel over to ITV and watch The X Factor.”
Doctor Who also seems to have an audience that tunes in for it and doesn't always watch shows around it. I think Strictly gives a better lead-in to The X Factor. Also we shouldn't underestimate The Paralympics. It could dent Doctor Who and The X Factor on Saturday plus the weather looks good over much of the UK.
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“I don't object to repeats I just wish there was a greater variety of them (in terms of the shows they repeat). I really don't understand why we need another run of Miranda repeats for example. Is there really nothing else the BBC can put in that slot? Nothing at all? And surely by repeating the show this often they just condition the audience to think that any showing is a repeat? There is a massive variety of content across the BBC they could do with cycling more of that into the repeat rotation.”
“I don't object to repeats I just wish there was a greater variety of them (in terms of the shows they repeat). I really don't understand why we need another run of Miranda repeats for example. Is there really nothing else the BBC can put in that slot? Nothing at all? And surely by repeating the show this often they just condition the audience to think that any showing is a repeat? There is a massive variety of content across the BBC they could do with cycling more of that into the repeat rotation.”
I don't mind too many repeats either but this new patter of repeating a show endlessly seems the norm now. Not sure I like it but we're probably going to see more of it.
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“Not the point I was making.
A show that is pulling overnights of more than 8 million and final numbers of around 10 million (plus x amount from ITV Player) clearly has not lost its mass appeal. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Yes the show has dropped year-on-year but that drop does not equate to a loss of mass appeal. And I might remember some of these statements for Sunday morning when Doctor Who overnights at around 7 million and then a week later when it finishes with a final of around 9 million (and x amount of iPlayer views) and everyone is falling over themselves to say what a huge hit it is and that it still has mass appeal.”
“Not the point I was making.
A show that is pulling overnights of more than 8 million and final numbers of around 10 million (plus x amount from ITV Player) clearly has not lost its mass appeal. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Yes the show has dropped year-on-year but that drop does not equate to a loss of mass appeal. And I might remember some of these statements for Sunday morning when Doctor Who overnights at around 7 million and then a week later when it finishes with a final of around 9 million (and x amount of iPlayer views) and everyone is falling over themselves to say what a huge hit it is and that it still has mass appeal.”
True. But I was asking a general question. Do you think the show will rate higher when we reach the live stages? Most times the live stage gets a boost.
Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Doctor Who also seems to have an audience that tunes in for it and doesn't always watch shows around it. I think Strictly gives a better lead-in to The X Factor. Also we shouldn't underestimate The Paralympics. It could dent Doctor Who and The X Factor on Saturday plus the weather looks good over much of the UK.
I don't mind too many repeats either but this new patter of repeating a show endlessly seems the norm now. Not sure I like it but we're probably going to see more of it.
True. But I was asking a general question. Do you think the show will rate higher when we reach the live stages? Most times the live stage gets a boost.”
“Doctor Who also seems to have an audience that tunes in for it and doesn't always watch shows around it. I think Strictly gives a better lead-in to The X Factor. Also we shouldn't underestimate The Paralympics. It could dent Doctor Who and The X Factor on Saturday plus the weather looks good over much of the UK.
I don't mind too many repeats either but this new patter of repeating a show endlessly seems the norm now. Not sure I like it but we're probably going to see more of it.
True. But I was asking a general question. Do you think the show will rate higher when we reach the live stages? Most times the live stage gets a boost.”
If it's getting overnights of 8 million at the moment, the chances of it getting overnights of 10-11 million by the live stages is very slim unless they pull something out the bag.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I don't object to repeats I just wish there was a greater variety of them (in terms of the shows they repeat). I really don't understand why we need another run of Miranda repeats for example. Is there really nothing else the BBC can put in that slot? Nothing at all? And surely by repeating the show this often they just condition the audience to think that any showing is a repeat? There is a massive variety of content across the BBC they could do with cycling more of that into the repeat rotation. ”
“I don't object to repeats I just wish there was a greater variety of them (in terms of the shows they repeat). I really don't understand why we need another run of Miranda repeats for example. Is there really nothing else the BBC can put in that slot? Nothing at all? And surely by repeating the show this often they just condition the audience to think that any showing is a repeat? There is a massive variety of content across the BBC they could do with cycling more of that into the repeat rotation. ”
With the back catalogue the Beeb have at their disposal I'm still surprised that it's the same few shows that are on constant repeat. It never seems to be explained either. Is it because of repeat fees or copyright issues that so many shows are left to gather dust in the Beeb's archives? There are so many great shows which never see the light of day and I'd hate to think how many that haven't even had one repeat showing.
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
That was the case last year as well, so no particular surprises there.
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
Don't they usually do that for boot camp and judge's houses? Do they start that weekend?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Don't they usually do that for boot camp and judge's houses? Do they start that weekend?”
“Don't they usually do that for boot camp and judge's houses? Do they start that weekend?”
More auditions then the next week they have Saturday auditions then Sunday they chose whose going to boot camp.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Although given that about 50% of Doctor Who's audience tend not to watch it live I'm really not sure what kind of boost people are expecting the show to give The X Factor. I understand the theory that another big show on Saturday night draws eyes to Saturday night television in general and that Who provides a lead-in of sorts for The X Factor. But Doctor Who's live audience just doesn't seem big enough to do that. The audience has to watch Doctor Who live to then flick the channel over to ITV and watch The X Factor.”
“Although given that about 50% of Doctor Who's audience tend not to watch it live I'm really not sure what kind of boost people are expecting the show to give The X Factor. I understand the theory that another big show on Saturday night draws eyes to Saturday night television in general and that Who provides a lead-in of sorts for The X Factor. But Doctor Who's live audience just doesn't seem big enough to do that. The audience has to watch Doctor Who live to then flick the channel over to ITV and watch The X Factor.”
True ofc, but I'm basing this on the assumption that Doctor Who could have a better than usual overnight for the prem.
Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“That is an awesome Only Connect - its fan base is quite incredible.”
“That is an awesome Only Connect - its fan base is quite incredible.”
The power of advertising perhaps, I've seen the very funny trail for it across all the bbc channels and at a variety of times.....I wonder if they're 'bigging it up' in preparation for a move to BBC2 given the changes in BBC4's remit.
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
“Not sure of this has been mentioned already but the Radio Times seem to think The X Factor will air a double bill on Saturday September 8th and Sunday September 9th - they have the Sunday show down for an 8pm start.”
Panic measure? It's tanking on Saturdays, so lets have an emergency transfusion of viewers by putting one show out on a higher viewing Sunday?
Or is that the Sunday "Downton-dale Dynasty Street Abbey" launches, either needing its Sunday-enhanced TXF crutch or itself acting as the crutch for the flagging TXF?
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Shocking for ITV1's 'Harry's Mountain Heroes'. This time last year BBC1 broadcast 'Harry's Arctic Heroes' (where do ITV get their ideas from by the way?!) and both episodes averaged 4.8m. Given all the media attention on Harry it should of done a lot better.”
“Shocking for ITV1's 'Harry's Mountain Heroes'. This time last year BBC1 broadcast 'Harry's Arctic Heroes' (where do ITV get their ideas from by the way?!) and both episodes averaged 4.8m. Given all the media attention on Harry it should of done a lot better.”
Disappointing indeed, but perhaps the media attention he has been getting had a negative effect on viewers - esp. male audience target who maybe aren't interested in his antics?
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Panic measure? It's tanking on Saturdays, so lets have an emergency transfusion of viewers by putting one show out on a higher viewing Sunday?
Or is that the Sunday "Downton-dale Dynasty Street Abbey" launches, either needing its Sunday-enhanced TXF crutch or acting as the crutch for the flagging TXF?”
“Panic measure? It's tanking on Saturdays, so lets have an emergency transfusion of viewers by putting one show out on a higher viewing Sunday?
Or is that the Sunday "Downton-dale Dynasty Street Abbey" launches, either needing its Sunday-enhanced TXF crutch or acting as the crutch for the flagging TXF?”
Agree - they need to stay off the "double header" weekend shows at the moment - the problem with the show is the content - putting on an extra show is like putting a sticking plaster on an open wound.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“The BBC isn't a commercial organisation though and therefore shouldn't be in a position where they're running shows and formats into the ground in the name of ratings. They have the freedom to be able to add more depth and variety to their scheduling without having to worry about how they'll sell the changes to advertisers. The commercial channels don't. And frankly I think BBC1 has been much worse than ITV1 as of late when it comes to overexposing shows..”
“The BBC isn't a commercial organisation though and therefore shouldn't be in a position where they're running shows and formats into the ground in the name of ratings. They have the freedom to be able to add more depth and variety to their scheduling without having to worry about how they'll sell the changes to advertisers. The commercial channels don't. And frankly I think BBC1 has been much worse than ITV1 as of late when it comes to overexposing shows..”
You were talking about Countryfile though.
This isn't some tacky, tawdry, commercialised offering that ITV, Sky or Channel 5 should be doing. It's a news and factual magazine programme about rural affairs and farming FFS!
Like the news, Songs of Praise, Panorama, Question Time it runs all (or nearly all) the year, week in week out. Why do you suggest that those with an interest in rural affairs should only have a programme from the BBC for short runs of the year? If Songs of Praise and Panorama got 7m a week, would you bemoan the Beeb cashing in with the same old boring line up?
Countryfile is an accidential hit, for sure. But your logic seems to be that because it is popular, the BBC shouldn't air as much of it! Well that would be real public service wouldn't it?
What perverse logic!
With the nights drawing in now, and the shopping days running out 
, I have had my first thoughts about a BBC Xmas Day schedule.
How would this go down, and how would ITV fit their 3 big soaps
into a line up opposite this?
6.00 DW
7.00 EE
7.30 Call The Midwife Christmas Special
8.30 EE
9.00 The Royle Family
10.00 Miranda (NEW SERIES)
10.30 Mrs Brown's Boys (NEW SERIES)
11.00 News
11.10 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow
Aggressive, huh?
I think they should go for it, and storm the schedules with something like this.
I imagine ITV would have to respond with EmFm at 6pm and Coro at 7.30, with DA at 8.30-10.30. Or keep DA at 9pm but give it a lead-in of You've Been Framed. They won't put a 30 min CS on at 9pm with DA airing 9.30-11.30 - far too late.
, I have had my first thoughts about a BBC Xmas Day schedule.How would this go down, and how would ITV fit their 3 big soaps
into a line up opposite this?6.00 DW
7.00 EE
7.30 Call The Midwife Christmas Special
8.30 EE
9.00 The Royle Family
10.00 Miranda (NEW SERIES)
10.30 Mrs Brown's Boys (NEW SERIES)
11.00 News
11.10 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow
Aggressive, huh?
I think they should go for it, and storm the schedules with something like this.
I imagine ITV would have to respond with EmFm at 6pm and Coro at 7.30, with DA at 8.30-10.30. Or keep DA at 9pm but give it a lead-in of You've Been Framed
. They won't put a 30 min CS on at 9pm with DA airing 9.30-11.30 - far too late.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Panic measure? It's tanking on Saturdays, so lets have an emergency transfusion of viewers by putting one show out on a higher viewing Sunday?
Or is that the Sunday "Downton-dale Dynasty Street Abbey" launches, either needing its Sunday-enhanced TXF crutch or itself acting as the crutch for the flagging TXF?”
“Panic measure? It's tanking on Saturdays, so lets have an emergency transfusion of viewers by putting one show out on a higher viewing Sunday?
Or is that the Sunday "Downton-dale Dynasty Street Abbey" launches, either needing its Sunday-enhanced TXF crutch or itself acting as the crutch for the flagging TXF?”
The exact same thing happened last year. 3 weeks of Saturday only shows and then two weeks of Sat/Sun audition episodes. They seem to be having 7 audition shows as like last year.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Don't ever forget moving Grange Hill to Liverpool was its downfall.
As for High Road, STV finished it as the average age of the viewers was 70 and the English ITV regions found it unattractive. It ended in England around the same time ITV ended its Aussie shows.
I'm sure, Jaycee, you would have loved The Sullivans, Australia's best soap.”
“Don't ever forget moving Grange Hill to Liverpool was its downfall.
As for High Road, STV finished it as the average age of the viewers was 70 and the English ITV regions found it unattractive. It ended in England around the same time ITV ended its Aussie shows.
I'm sure, Jaycee, you would have loved The Sullivans, Australia's best soap.”
A country Practice was Australia's best soap nipped at its heels by The Young Doctors.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“With the nights drawing in now, and the shopping days running out , I have had my first thoughts about a BBC Xmas Day schedule.
How would this go down, and how would ITV fit their 3 big soaps into a line up opposite this?
6.00 DW
7.00 EE
7.30 Call The Midwife Christmas Special
8.30 EE
9.00 The Royle Family
10.00 Miranda (NEW SERIES)
10.30 Mrs Brown's Boys (NEW SERIES)
11.00 News
11.10 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow
Aggressive, huh?
I think they should go for it, and storm the schedules with something like this.
I imagine ITV would have to respond with EmFm at 6pm and Coro at 7.30, with DA at 8.30-10.30. Or keep DA at 9pm but give it a lead-in of You've Been Framed. They won't put a 30 min CS on at 9pm with DA airing 9.30-11.30 - far too late.”
“With the nights drawing in now, and the shopping days running out
, I have had my first thoughts about a BBC Xmas Day schedule.How would this go down, and how would ITV fit their 3 big soaps
into a line up opposite this?6.00 DW
7.00 EE
7.30 Call The Midwife Christmas Special
8.30 EE
9.00 The Royle Family
10.00 Miranda (NEW SERIES)
10.30 Mrs Brown's Boys (NEW SERIES)
11.00 News
11.10 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow
Aggressive, huh?
I think they should go for it, and storm the schedules with something like this.
I imagine ITV would have to respond with EmFm at 6pm and Coro at 7.30, with DA at 8.30-10.30. Or keep DA at 9pm but give it a lead-in of You've Been Framed
. They won't put a 30 min CS on at 9pm with DA airing 9.30-11.30 - far too late.”
You left out SCD.
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