Originally Posted by morph1970:
“But overnights of 5-6 million are pretty good though, aren't they? Not amazingly fantastic, but good. And if you're judging it in Doctor Who's own terms – well, that's what it tends to get (except at Christmas), and as long as they stay in that region, I think that's fine. If it gets 7 or 8 million in overnights, that's great, but those figures will always be the exception, not the rule. You can't really compare back to 2005, because everything's changed since then – and not just for Doctor Who, for EastEnders, X Factor, everything.”
I'm not particularly looking to compare to 2005 or any other previous series. The point I'm raising is twofold
1 – That so much of Doctor Who's audience isn't counted in over night figures is potentially a massive PR problem for it. We saw this begin to emerge with the previous series where the narrative become that the show is now too complicated for the audience to follow and they're bailing. This notion that its going to crush Red or Black in the over nights and win the PR battle with Red or Black (and The X Factor) isn't locked in.
2 – The fact that around 50% of Doctor Who's audience are watching via various catch-up services and methods is an incredibly interesting phenomena that I think people should be much more engaged with than they are. As I mentioned the attitude toward Doctor Who's numbers seems to be that 'it doesn't matter because people watch it eventually' and not why the hell is its audience so disproportionately skewed toward catch-up and not live (or near live) viewing? I think its important to know what's going on there and why.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“And as I said before, there are several lottery quizzes so you can't just say Oh, It's A Lottery Quiz because some of them have flopped and been axed because the formats weren't up to much.”
But they're all still quizzes and that's the point.
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“And the BBC1 schedule for September 1st of game show, family drama, shiny floor quiz, drama and football is a bit more interesting than the ITV schedule of comedy, shiny floor quiz, shiny floor talent show, shiny floor quiz and shiny floor chat show. And for what it's worth I don't really think comedy works on a Saturday night, it's too frequently shoved around the schedules to get a loyal audience.”
I'm not suggesting that they should put comedy on Saturday night merely that it would be nice to see more variety in their Saturday night content. For the record I'm not suggesting that ITV's Saturday night schedule is particularly brilliant either merely that they tend to actually make an effort to build their schedules around their bigger shows so that it doesn't feel like they've just been dumped into the regular Saturday night line-up.
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“But if they drop The One Show you'll only get the same stuff you get on The One Show anyway - consumer shows, history, nature...”
Which is an incredibly broad pallet of shows. And an incredibly broad pallet of shows that would allow them to hit the same quotas and targets whilst adding some variety and depth to their schedule.
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“The other thing about Doctor Who is that it may be a flagship drama but it's on Saturday nights which no other drama is on (apart from Merlin), so it will obviously have different ratings expectations than a 9pm series. And a lot of it is really quite complicated and unusual for a Saturday night slot.”
But again the issue I raised isn't that people aren't watching it but that people aren't watching it on Saturday night. 50% of the audience is watching via catch-up and I think to simply not address that and look at why that is or might be is crazy. Additionally that its a big flagship drama means that the expectation is that its numbers will be big and its over nights haven't been. That gives the press license to report ratings drops etc.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Who cares about the overnights, it's the proper ratings that matter.”
I think everybody should care when half of the audience for a flagships drama aren't watching live or even on the same day as broadcast. And that a large proportion of them aren't watching via a television at all. The issue isn't that people aren't watching Doctor Who (although that will be an immediate issue for press coverage of the over nights) but how they're choosing to watch and why. The idea that there's no valuable information or reason to look at this is crazy.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Exactly. As long as licence payers believe they're getting value, it doesn't matter when and how they watch.”
Only potentially it does matter a great deal for BBC funding. If huge sections of the audience aren't going to watch television via traditional methods but using online catch-up this is something the BBC is going to need to know more about. Its something that commercial broadcasters are going to need to know as well. Is Doctor Who simply ahead of the curve or is it just a one-off?
Originally Posted by derek500:
“NBC's Sherlock remake Elementary is going to Living too.”
Its a CBS show. None the less a slot on Living makes no sense to me.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Davies and Moffatt don't write every episode, there are many other writers, all of whom presumably write their own dialogue while Davies and Moffatt take a wider view. And no Russell T Davies - no Doctor Who.”
It should be noted that Davies in particular is a prolific re-writer of other people's work. Moffat to will re-write scripts although its not entirely clear to me how extensive his re-writes are at this point. Pretty much every episode of Who for the past couple of years has had Moffat's fingerprints all over it though (and I don't think that's a bad thing).