[Breadstix]

Originally Posted by los.kav

Positive and negative discussions are one thing, that's ok and I have no problems with that: everyone's probably seen me wade in to those kinds of discussions, especially when it's about Chryed, but there are some people who are trying to discuss the storyline in a thread about that storyline, and it's getting a bit bogged down between tit-for-tat posts about posters. I'd understand why if this thread was titled: "Chryed and their fans: Discuss", but it isn't. It's about a love triangle and a new character being introduced. What gay people get up to in real life, or people's perception of gay people and their private lives, and people's perceptions of Chryed fans have nothing to do with the topic, if you get what I mean.

No not really but I'm not going to get bogged down with the minutiae of homosexuality because that would drag this into a tit for tat discussion, and that's really not my style.

[Shawn_Lunn]

So when in September does Danny debut?

[KatrinaK]

Originally Posted by Salome

soap producers and writers will openly cater to a female (core) audience but it would be honest to take responsibility for your own fantasies and desires.

but I am being honest.

I'm a fan of Chryed, because of their story. It's got bog all to do with my own fantasies and desires.


If Dominic-Tredwell-Collins didn't create such a poignant, moving and touching love story with themes of oppression, religion and conflicting emotions, truth be told, I probably wouldn't care about this couple regardless of their sexuality or any kind of romanticised vision I may or may or may not have about them.

There is a reason why I don't give a toss about Tyler and Whitney.

It's the showrunners and the actors who have sold it me.

It is not a coincidence that the Chryed community is almost exclusively straight and female, and very resistant to any deviation from their cherished romantic scenarios (monogamy, marriage, paternity).
I can tell you that this 'colonisation' of gay characters and storylines by the straight imagination is very disturbing and you should at least be aware of it.

All couples, whether they are straight, gay, bi, are capable of loving monogamous relationships.

Likwise, a varied amount of couples in fiction, regardless of sexuality, in a variety of mediums have fans in support of them. As a long-term 'shipper' of many couples come and gone over the years, it's nothing out of the norm or disturbing.

It's called fandom.

Originally Posted by los.kav

Lads, this thread is for discussing a storyline, not for slagging off the fan base of a particular character or characters. Stop telling people what they have to be just because you think characters are portrayed a certain way, which is contradictory to your view of those characters.

The storyline is this: a third gay character is being introduced. He is the same age as Syed and he works in a bank. Syed is selling his tat stall and going into business selling cleaning products and needs a start up loan.

Thank you.

[MarcoRossi]

Originally Posted by KatrinaK

All couples, whether they are straight, gay, bi, are capable of loving monogamous relationships.

100% agree.
If someone came out saying that gay people are opposite to this, that they are interested in promiscuity and finding fun on a day to day basis living in open relationships, you'd get complaints in this instance too. So can't win really.

[towers]

Originally Posted by Breadstix

To be fair los.kav, threads on the main forum allow for both positive and negative discussions. Had you posted this in the Chryed thread in the appreciation sub-forum, then you might have had a case.

Salome once said that heterosexual people are "incapable of learning" what gay people really want in life and that being faithful is a hetrosexual fantasy and nothing more. Salome speaks for all gay people apparently and doesn't think those who choose to be faithful are real gay people, that those who want gay marriage have been inflicted by a 'straight disease' as it were. Salome always goes off-topic when the subject of Eastenders comes up and can be offensive, nothing to do with the thread subject.

[towers]

Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn

So when in September does Danny debut?

We don't know yet. There's a Christian & Syed script peak for the end of September where they mention the AB, which along with Tamwar leaving for University and neither Masood or Zainab wanting the AB, does suggest that Syed might get it - needing money in the process.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by KatrinaK

but I am being honest.

I'm a fan of Chryed, because of their story. It's got bog all to do with my own fantasies and desires.


If Dominic-Tredwell-Collins didn't create such a poignant, moving and touching love story with themes of oppression, religion and conflicting emotions, truth be told, I probably wouldn't care about this couple regardless of their sexuality or any kind of romanticised vision I may or may or may not have about them.

There is a reason why I don't give a toss about Tyler and Whitney.

It's the showrunners and the actors who have sold it me.



All couples, whether they are straight, gay, bi, are capable of loving monogamous relationships.

Likwise, a varied amount of couples in fiction, regardless of sexuality, in a variety of mediums have fans in support of them. As a long-term 'shipper' of many couples come and gone over the years, it's nothing out of the norm or disturbing.

It's called fandom.


Thank you.

It is very disturbing to me but never mind. I'm only a minority.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by towers

Salome once said that heterosexual people are "incapable of learning" what gay people really want in life and that being faithful is a hetrosexual fantasy and nothing more. Salome speaks for all gay people apparently and doesn't think those who choose to be faithful are real gay people, that those who want gay marriage have been inflicted by a 'straight disease' as it were. Salome always goes off-topic when the subject of Eastenders comes up and can be offensive, nothing to do with the thread subject.

Poor thing. You are scared of difference, aren't you?

[Gabriel Dreams]

You know when you keep arguing with someone who just isn't going to listen to your opinion because they have a very different one?

Then it just descends into insults and backhanded comments that don't translate well to the internet?

Well ...

[MissLola]

Originally Posted by Salome

Poor thing. You are scared of difference, aren't you?

With all due respect I don't think you can paint all gay men with the same brush. However I do think you have a point about 'Chryed' being about straight female fantasies.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Dreams

You know when you keep arguing with someone who just isn't going to listen to your opinion because they have a very different one?

Then it just descends into insults and backhanded comments that don't translate well to the internet?

Well ...

This is not my idea of an argument. It feels more like harassment. Clearly, Chryed fans are not that tolerant when it comes to dissenting voices.

[Gabriel Dreams]

Originally Posted by Salome

This is not my idea of an argument. It feels more like harassment. Clearly, Chryed fans are not that tolerant when it comes to dissenting voices.

Clearly you have a very strong opinion, as do they. I'm not going to make it my place to say who is correct, or more correct than the others.

Even so, I'm concerned you seem to find some behaviour on here to be harrassment. If you could elaborate?

[los.kav]

Originally Posted by towers

We don't know yet. There's a Christian & Syed script peak for the end of September where they mention the AB, which along with Tamwar leaving for University and neither Masood or Zainab wanting the AB, does suggest that Syed might get it - needing money in the process.

Spoiler

Did it not also say that Syed sells the tat stall and goes into business trying to sell cleaning products? He might need a start up loan either way though.

I think it would be great to get Syed into the Argy Bargy though; he can't do any worse than Tam did lol!

[Shawn_Lunn]

Hopefully Danny will some other things about him too, other than being a thorn to Christian and Syed.

[broadshoulder]

[quote=towers;60629703]Salome once said that heterosexual people are "incapable of learning" what gay people really want in life and that being faithful is a hetrosexual fantasy and nothing more. [quote=towers]

Salome has a point. Christian and Syed have been portrayed as gay hermits only getting involved when they are thinking about marriage and children. Thats a straight persons fantasy of gay people that deep down they want to be heterosexual.

They are all different, Some want that, Some achieve that, Just like straight people, But at the same time there are those who arent interested in that kind of thing, They reject it. The heterosexual orthodoxy has been used to bash gay people since time immemorial and some arent interested,.

American Queer as Folk got it right. One couple settled down with mortgage and step kids while the others carried on living the way they always have had.

They are a gay couple aimed at straight people,

[jenn123]

Originally Posted by broadshoulder

Salome has a point. Christian and Syed have been portrayed as gay hermits only getting involved when they are thinking about marriage and children. Thats a straight persons fantasy of gay people that deep down they want to be heterosexual.

They are all different, Some want that, Some achieve that, Just like straight people, But at the same time there are those who arent interested in that kind of thing, They reject it. The heterosexual orthodoxy has been used to bash gay people since time immemorial and some arent interested,.

American Queer as Folk got it right. One couple settled down with mortgage and step kids while the others carried on living the way they always have had.

They are a gay couple aimed at straight people,

Settling down isn't a straight person's fantasy, it's something couples of all sexualities are capable of wanting.
Like you said yourself, they are all different. But Chryed as a couple happen to want that. It doesn't necessarily mean they're aimed at straight people, it's just the kind of characters they are!

QAF was a show about gay characters and their social/sex lives, completely different to Eastenders. You can hardly compare them!

[Tal'shiar]

Only way to make gay people interesting is to make it all about sex. Yep, sounds about right for soaps.

I mean it would be wrong to make a SL about Syed and Christian that doesnt boil down to sex. Could have been about the legal situation with gay parents, nope. Either of them have issues with their work, or trying to expand, nope. No it has to come back to sex, because in soap land thats all a gay person is.

[towers]

[quote=broadshoulder;60636513][quote=towers;60629703]Salome once said that heterosexual people are "incapable of learning" what gay people really want in life and that being faithful is a hetrosexual fantasy and nothing more.

Originally Posted by towers

Salome has a point. Christian and Syed have been portrayed as gay hermits only getting involved when they are thinking about marriage and children. Thats a straight persons fantasy of gay people that deep down they want to be heterosexual.

They are all different, Some want that, Some achieve that, Just like straight people, But at the same time there are those who arent interested in that kind of thing, They reject it. The heterosexual orthodoxy has been used to bash gay people since time immemorial and some arent interested,.

American Queer as Folk got it right. One couple settled down with mortgage and step kids while the others carried on living the way they always have had.

They are a gay couple aimed at straight people,

I'm not saying they don't have any valid points, it's the slightly aggressive way they put their points across - straight people aren't capable of learning - that's iffy. Comments like that are a bit pre-school and clearly straight people ARE capable of learning, otherwise homosexuality would still be illegal in the UK.

And to get back on topic, Christian is Christian and Syed is Syed - a gay Muslim who has Zainab for a mother - and I don't think the protrayal of one fictional gay couple in one fictional soap is worth getting on your soap box about - I would never use Eastenders as an example of how gay people should or shouldn't live, it's there to entertain.

I agree that both characters need to get 'out and about' more often though and I'm looking forward to this Danny character shaking things up a bit, especially if it's Syed whose the main subject of Danny's interest.

[towers]

Originally Posted by Tal'shiar

Only way to make gay people interesting is to make it all about sex. Yep, sounds about right for soaps.

I mean it would be wrong to make a SL about Syed and Christian that doesnt boil down to sex. Could have been about the legal situation with gay parents, nope. Either of them have issues with their work, or trying to expand, nope. No it has to come back to sex, because in soap land thats all a gay person is.

Yeah, because Kat's storyline has nothing to do with sex, nothing at all.. Jack's quite sexless too...

And Syed does have issues with work, which is most likely what brings Danny to Walford in the first place, being a banker...

[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by Tal'shiar

Only way to make gay people interesting is to make it all about sex. Yep, sounds about right for soaps.

I mean it would be wrong to make a SL about Syed and Christian that doesnt boil down to sex. Could have been about the legal situation with gay parents, nope. Either of them have issues with their work, or trying to expand, nope. No it has to come back to sex, because in soap land thats all a gay person is.

That and a shoulder to cry on for the relationship woes of the female characters.
Actually some of them are pretty sexless. Ben was and that one in Corrie is.

I do agree with you however. They didn't have to have another gay storyline.

[towers]

From new DS article via Nitin interview on Asian Network

EastEnders viewers have recently seen Syed forced to close down his latest business, while it has been rumoured that newcomer Danny Pennant (Gary Lucy) will be involved in a love triangle with Syed and Christian Clarke (John Partridge) when he arrives in Walford.

Syed, who was caught stealing money from the family business in his younger days, has appeared to settle down in the past couple of years, but Nitin Ganatra suggested that the character will soon have a new storyline where his 'flaws' comes to the fore again.

On what Syed will be up to in future episodes, Ganatra replied: "All of his shenanigans. I don't know if you remember, Syed when he first came on the show was into businesses, and was doing some dodgy dealings with money and stuff like that. I think it's a return to that kind of character, who is always up to something dodgy when it comes to money.

I think it's good to return to the origins of a character, just to refresh it a little bit, and I think it's gone back to that. He wants to make a name for himself financially, but Syed's character is flawed like the best characters are. He messes it up again."