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If the Foxsat only updates the EPG once a day if in standby and when the user presses Guide then that's another sign of a defective design. Surely the EPG can be updated in the background: the box has two tuners and unless one is being used for recording the other is always free.
Isn't it annoying how one discovers all these limiations only after spending £200 and lots of time ? |
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I leave it on all the time. I learned long ago that PVRs work better when they're not put in standby
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The epg is updated in the background whenever you are watching live TV.
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the box is capable of working from a sby power consumption of around 0.75W.
. I've just measured it: 21W/5W/1W so it's not excessive. The 21W is about the same as the Sky+ it's replacing so I've no concerns there.
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I learnt a long time ago that there is not a PVR out there that does not benefit from being put into standby regularly.
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That's good to know. I'm now puzzled as earlier you said "If you carry on [leaving the box on] your epg will get increasingly out of date". If the EPG is continuously updated then how could it get out of date?
. Your recordings will never get the graphic thumbnail chapter images (ala DVD). It's very simple when you finish viewing for the night press the sby button on your remote (It won't affect any ongoing recordings). Next time you want to start viewing (probably 16 hrs or more later) repeat the procedure. If you tend to start viewing about the same time every day set a auto on timer. Leaving it on 24/7 makes zero sense ![]() If the box is within 15 mins of making a recording or actually recording the clock will be on. In this case the boot will be instantaneous anyway. You are running your hdd continously recording to the same sectors of the hdd say 16 x 365= 5840 additional hrs/annum. My 1TB was installed Nov 2008. You will be lucky if yours doesnt fail just outside the 2yr warranty. |
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Well, yes, but who wants a PVR which turns itself off while you're watching it? Another pointless feature, I think
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I can guarantee I'll not remember to do that
. I seem to remember that the critical time is 3am (heaven help shift workers with this daft feature). Would turning it off automatically at 02:59 and back on at 03:01 work?Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean about TV and if you mean Windows automatic update then that's disabled on every PC in my house. I don't understand the modern passion to always have the latest version loaded automatically, especially as the latest version is almost always inferior to previous versions and often poorly tested, if at all.
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If the Foxsat only updates the EPG once a day if in standby and when the user presses Guide then that's another sign of a defective design. Surely the EPG can be updated in the background: the box has two tuners and unless one is being used for recording the other is always free.
.................. The EPG is trickle updated but if any data is in error you would get the problem you have. Sorry if you do not ike the advice - I assure you that, for the Foxsat, it is good. |
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I have been watching this thread with some incredulity!
The OP asks for advice, which comes with great explanations too, yet he wants to argue with you. He has his advice, let him use his box incorrectly if he wants to now. All I have to say about the Humax Foxsat is that it is an excellent piece of equipment, and I do as all the advisers in the post suggest. Now with the custom firmware it is even better. Dear OP, the best guys on this forum (and elsewhere) have given you great advice, choose to ignore it if you wish. I believe you will be wrong too though! |
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now that I've done a factory reset and put Casualty back in the schedule for tonight, and given that Casualty will be transmitted before any overnight standby, my expectation is that when tonight's episode finishes recording then next week's episode will appear in the schedule.
Everything seems to have worked fine: A Touch of Frost recorded; the thumbnails have been produced; and all scheduled recordings are still flagged in the EPG. I'll see what happens as the week progresses. Thanks to everyone for the help - it's much appreciated. |
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I have been watching this thread with some incredulity!
The OP asks for advice, which comes with great explanations too, yet he wants to argue with you. He has his advice, let him use his box incorrectly if he wants to now. All I have to say about the Humax Foxsat is that it is an excellent piece of equipment, and I do as all the advisers in the post suggest. Now with the custom firmware it is even better. Dear OP, the best guys on this forum (and elsewhere) have given you great advice, choose to ignore it if you wish. I believe you will be wrong too though! I don't agree that the Foxsat is an excellent piece of equipment. In particular I believe that the undocumented requirement to leave it in standby, and therefore leave it open to the automated loading of faulty software, is poor design symptomatic of a designer taking the cheap and easy route rather than one which suits the customer. From Humax's point of view, they would have lost a customer but for this thread because I was on the verge of taking the box back for a refund. I may yet do so. Once again, many thanks to all those who helped. |
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[quote=Alan White;60688902I don't agree that the Foxsat is an excellent piece of equipment. In particular I believe that the undocumented requirement to leave it in standby, and therefore leave it open to the automated loading of faulty software, is poor design symptomatic of a designer taking the cheap and easy route rather than one which suits the customer. From Humax's point of view, they would have lost a customer but for this thread because I was on the verge of taking the box back for a refund. I may yet do so.
.[/QUOTE] All Freesat+ boxes work like that. It's part of the Freesat+ spec. If it did not it would never have passed the Freesat certification. You really should do a little more research before you post such rubbish ![]() Freesat+ requires that firmware and channel line up changes shall be automatic and seamless to the user. Sby power of less than 1W and auto shutoff to sby are mandated by EEC regulations. For years Sky have flouted the regulations. |
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You really should do a little more research before you post such rubbish
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To those that have offered the OP advice, you can do no more. Graham if the OP wants to use his box incorrectly you will not tell him otherwise.
I would suggest that maybe the thread should now be closed! |
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I regret that some posts did come across like that, and for that I apologise. As I've said in other posts, I'm grateful for the advice and my criticism has of course been directed at Humax rather than anyone on here.
I don't agree that the Foxsat is an excellent piece of equipment. In particular I believe that the undocumented requirement to leave it in standby, and therefore leave it open to the automated loading of faulty software, is poor design symptomatic of a designer taking the cheap and easy route rather than one which suits the customer. From Humax's point of view, they would have lost a customer but for this thread because I was on the verge of taking the box back for a refund. I may yet do so. Once again, many thanks to all those who helped. Please sit back and enjoy. Please give it a try as advised. Now where did I leave that glass of wine? |
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Hopefully not on top of your HDR?
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Alan, please forgive my last comment
It isn't that I don't want software updates on PVRs, PCs etc - it's just that I want to do them in a controlled way, at a time which suits me, and with a regression plan. I've spent a long time fixing problems caused by automatic updates and disable them whenever I can. In the context of PVRs I still remember the five months of problems I endured in 2009 when Sky installed faulty software which caused the box to crash randomly and frequently. As the 9300 has the facility to disable automatic updates then I was expecting the Foxsat to also have that feature. Mind you, I'm surprised at how different the 9300 and Foxsat are: if you took the label off the front no-one would guess they were from the same manufacturer. I have now set the box to turn itself off for a few hours overnight and it seems to be working OK though it will take a week or so to confirm that series links are being correctly scheduled. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice. |
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It isn't that I don't want software updates on PVRs, PCs etc - it's just that I want to do them in a controlled way, at a time which suits me, and with a regression plan.
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With the HDR that is easy, If the new update is causing problems (very unlikely, in fact never so far in my experience of this box) then you can simply re-install the previous or alternative version using a USB memory stick
And doesn't the same apply to the custom firmware I've read about? That must also be overwritten by Humax nightly. Surely there's also a legal issue here. I don't have a contract with Humax: I simply own a box they made. I'm not a lawyer but I doubt that Humax has any legal right to change my box without my consent. |
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And doesn't the same apply to the custom firmware I've read about? That must also be overwritten by Humax nightly. ........ New versions of the custom firmwre are generally available before Humax start the OTA as it is their practice to put it up on their beta siute 7 days before OTA. Unlike Sky's firmware updates it is well tested. |
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Surely there's also a legal issue here. I don't have a contract with Humax: I simply own a box they made. I'm not a lawyer but I doubt that Humax has any legal right to change my box without my consent.
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Won't that previous version simply be overwritten with the problem version the following night, as I can't disable it?
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If necessary, flashing back to a previous firmware via USB then setting a daily repeating recording for 3am (or 4am possibly in summer, I think Humax moved to UTC at some point) would prevent housekeeping kicking in and re-upgrading the firmware. You'd be left with recordings that needed manually deleting though. Possibly a "watch" timer at that time would have the same effect. But I've never had a need to downgrade the firmware on this box, the updates have been very reliable.
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You agreed to accepting OTA updates when you bought it
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exchange it for a generic satellite box.
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setting a daily repeating recording ...would prevent housekeeping kicking in
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Sometimes the world won't change for you so you just have to change for it.
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