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Old 04-12-2004, 07:55
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Hi all! I'm from Russia!!!!!
i like listen Helloween!Rules
Metallica is pop music!this is not good.
My english is not good.
I teach english and school.
In Russia many people listen Heavy-power-death metal!What listen in the USA?are Noath america?
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Old 04-12-2004, 13:55
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i believe they listen to Garth Brooks over there, now he is *&%$ing hardcore
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Old 04-12-2004, 22:03
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EneRWeeN this is mainly an English website

we are not American.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:52
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MDX
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Cool!The world in one forum!
If you not american,were you live?
HelloWeeN very cool power-metal band!
Metallica pop Hard rock!Not heavy metal.
They needs many many dollars!that's bad!
In Russia heavy metal-АРИЯ
Hey MDX you know russian language?
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Old 06-12-2004, 23:36
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To be honest with you Helloween sucked after Kai Hansen left the band. They had 2 great albums (Keeper of the 7 Keys Parts 1 & 2) and that's it. I've listened to Pink Bubbles Go Ape, Time of the Oath and Master of the Rings and all are terrible.

Master of Puppets by Metallica outclasses all of the above albums put together.

I also don't think you right inputting Metallica in the same bracket as the likes of Bon Jovi or Ratt.
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:47
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Originally Posted by jok1
I also don't think you right inputting Metallica in the same bracket as the likes of Bon Jovi or Ratt.
All of Ratt's albums are so much better than St Anger. So I don't think you're right putting Nu-Metal (current) Metallica in the same bracket as the likes of Ratt.

At least Ratt were honest about what they did, not like Metallica who preached about selling out in their early days only to sell out themselves worse than any one could have imagined.
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:03
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I agree with the earlier comment on the two Keeper albums. I listened to one recently, and to be honest, it hadn't held up that well, unlike some of Maiden's albums from that era.

I liked Ratt. They looked bloody awful, but knew how to write a good rock song.
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:27
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Welcome to the forum Enerween. Yes, we are based in the UK
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:22
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Originally Posted by Swipe
All of Ratt's albums are so much better than St Anger. So I don't think you're right putting Nu-Metal (current) Metallica in the same bracket as the likes of Ratt.

At least Ratt were honest about what they did, not like Metallica who preached about selling out in their early days only to sell out themselves worse than any one could have imagined.
Metallica..... Nu Metal?????? Metallica have never been classed and never will be classed as Nu metal. St Anger doesn't resemble anything close to Nu Metal. I think you've totally missed the point of St Anger. They wanted to do an album that went back to basics, you can hear it in the production IE. very little production. The album is raw. Reminds me alot of their earlier albums, only the sound has been updated.
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Old 07-12-2004, 14:46
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Metallica's last album could be classed as Nu Metal (if you go in for classifying music)... the vocals and lack of solos for starters...

I really hoped that I'd love it when it came out, but wasn't too surprised when I didn't: I've not been a massive fan of anything they've done since Black. And yes, over-production can kill an album but under-producing it to the point where Lars sounds like he's playing a couple of coke cans and a frying pan? Not my cup of tea. There's so much better around if you want raw, emotional and stooopidly heavy music, IMHO...
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:44
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Another power metal band that I listen to at the moment is Dream Theater. There albums are awesome. Especially Live at Budokan and Live Scenes From New York. I totally agree about Helloween there only two albums that have been great have been Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 1 & 2.

As for Metallica's St Anger, it is a total pile of shite. When I first heard it I thought Lars was using dustbin lids as drum skins. It's production sounds totally awful and it is classed as Nu-metal.
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:03
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I'd agree that the last really good Metallica album was the Black album which IMO didn't contain one bad song. The only decent thing about St Anger is Frantic.
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:28
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I'd agree that the last really good Metallica album was the Black album which IMO didn't contain one bad song. The only decent thing about St Anger is Frantic.
I think Frantic is one of the worse songs on the album. I like the new sound Lars is using, makes the songs sound industrial. I'll admit it's not as good as their past albums, but I still think it's a great album. Totally different and fresh, good on them for being different and breaking the mould.
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:36
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Originally Posted by binty
Metallica's last album could be classed as Nu Metal (if you go in for classifying music)... the vocals and lack of solos for starters...
That hardly classes it as Nu Metal. The reason why most Nu Metal bands don't play solo's is because their guitarists arn't good enough skill-wise, if you listen to the guitar riffs in the songs all they are, are power cords and palm muting. Easy peasy. As for the lyrics, I don't understand what you mean..... do you mean rapping coz there isn't any rapping on St Anger.

I thought the name 'Nu Metal' was born out of metal bands using newer techiques IE Turntables and Rap?
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:48
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I find it strange that when Metallica do something new (as they have done for the last few albums), they get accused of selling out.

Would people prefer they just rehashed their old stuff, time and time again??

Personally, I think Load/Reload are fantastic albums, and St. Anger grew on me fairy soon after release.
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Old 08-12-2004, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby
Metallica..... Nu Metal?????? Metallica have never been classed and never will be classed as Nu metal. St Anger doesn't resemble anything close to Nu Metal. I think you've totally missed the point of St Anger. They wanted to do an album that went back to basics, you can hear it in the production IE. very little production. The album is raw. Reminds me alot of their earlier albums, only the sound has been updated.
Have you actually listened to the album? It's horrible nu-metal all the way.

St. Anger was a very lazy attempt to re-invent themselves.

Their initial demo tape is better played than this crap.

As for Load and Reload, I too like them. They aren't in the same league as the first 3 albums, but they are nice blues/rock albums. However you can't use the rehashing argument when the supposed "new" concept is as horrible as St. Anger. The drumming is terrible, the vocals are a joke, the guitar playing is laughable considering some of the stuff Kirk and James can do, and don't even get me started on Bob freaking Rock....
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Old 08-12-2004, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby
The reason why most Nu Metal bands don't play solo's is because their guitarists arn't good enough skill-wise, if you listen to the guitar riffs in the songs all they are, are power cords and palm muting.
Then Metallica have no excuse: Kirk is a great guitarist... why not use him? Play to your strengths!
Nu Metal is direct as a style, you don't tend to get frills - whether that's down to skill level or choice is debatable. Metallica are better than that and it seemed to me that they have tried too hard to fit in to current trends in commercial metal, when they really shouldn't have to. They should be setting the path, not following along it behind bands that wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for them. There is no logical progression from Load to Reload to St Anger - seems like everything they were experimenting with (whether we liked it or not, you've gotta love 'em for trying!) went out the window in an effort to please the kids. Look everyone! We're so heavy now! That's why a lot of people call them sell-outs. And then there's the horrible snare drum sound! But that's another story....

I don't like saying this about Metallica, believe me. I wouldn't be listening to metal without them and I bet a lot of others of my sort of age will say the same thing. I really want them to make a killer next album. I have every faith that they will! Then again I've been saying that for a good few years now and I'm not sure that I'm ready for another disappointment
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Old 08-12-2004, 17:07
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I'd like to see Metallica do some more instrumental stuff like, Orion, Call of Kthulu etc. That is some serious musicmanship.
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Old 08-12-2004, 17:17
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Originally Posted by D Sizzle
Have you actually listened to the album? It's horrible nu-metal all the way.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Unless you can convince me other-wise?

Everyone keeps on going on about why St Anger is Nu-Metal but no opinions / facts to back this up.
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Old 08-12-2004, 18:02
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Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby
I'd like to see Metallica do some more instrumental stuff like, Orion, Call of Kthulu etc. That is some serious musicmanship.
We won't get that again sadly Not unless Cliff Burton returns from the grave...
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Old 08-12-2004, 21:47
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IMO it all went tits up after the black album. I saw them on the "Wherever we may roam' tour at Sheffiled Arena and they were awesome. they played for 3 hours solid, note for note... But I ask myself what happened after that? I saw them a few years later at Castle Donnington (the first year it ceased to be called Monsters of Rock, 1994?) and they were absolutely awful, completely under-rehearsed and Kirk Hammet messed up every one of his solos. Things took a turn for the worse from then on... sorry Craigywageybaby no matter what you say will wash regarding this, they sold out and I doubt we'll ever see the old Metallica ever again. I prefer my metal Swedish these days
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Old 08-12-2004, 21:59
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I prefer my metal Swedish these days
I'll agree with that Well Scandinavian anyway... I'll go American for my grind/hardcore/varioussub-genresoftheabove fix but not much else...

the first year it ceased to be called Monsters of Rock, 1994?
Ahhh.... was that the year it was renamed 'Escape from the Studio' ? Apparently Metallica refused to play unless the name was changed, lol!
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Old 08-12-2004, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Unless you can convince me other-wise?

Everyone keeps on going on about why St Anger is Nu-Metal but no opinions / facts to back this up.

My argument isn't so much that St. Anger is nu-metal.

More that it's a shower of shite... I've dropped more musical turds than that album.

Besides, if you haven't been convinced just by listening to it, then there is no point trying to convince you, because it ain't gonna happen.
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Old 09-12-2004, 13:55
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Originally Posted by D Sizzle
My argument isn't so much that St. Anger is nu-metal.

More that it's a shower of shite... I've dropped more musical turds than that album.
Thats fair comment.

Originally Posted by D Sizzle
Besides, if you haven't been convinced just by listening to it, then there is no point trying to convince you, because it ain't gonna happen.
I'm open to discussion.
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Old 21-12-2004, 06:10
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In st.anger no solo guitar!!!!Блин дикость!
Metallica is pop music
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