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Apple used to be the good guys.....
Once upon a time Apple were seen as the good guys. Even seen as the underdog fighting against Microsoft.
Times have changed and now Apple look much more like Microsoft trying to kill of the competition through legal action. They are also facing a court case over anti competitive practices over eBooks (case due in US court June 2013) much like Microsoft did several years ago with their anti competitive practices. Bad Apple have become everything they fought against in the first place. Has your opinion of Apple changed? http://www.imore.com/usa-apple-ebook...-set-june-2013 |
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You're absolutely right, that's my view exactly.
I used to ador Apple, and Steve Jobs always inspired me. But since Android started taking over they are loosing their grip. |
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I used to admire Apple but was never a fan of their products. Could never see what the fuss was probably because I came from a Wintel background.
The Apple of late is reminiscent of that little sneak everyone used to know who always grassed us up just because we were a little naughty. They really are a dreadful company that produces overpriced toys. Im looking at my Note next to my gf's 4S and only one looks like it should come with a single AA battery and go beep beep when you press buttons on the side, and it definitely isn't the Note with its vibrant screen, super fast dual core Soc and wonderful S Pen. |
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I wonder if in the long term Apple have damaged their reputation? This could result in a loss of sales. A lot of Apples branding is based on it being a cool company with cool products. Stuff like this makes it look bad in a consumers eyes and could do it some long term damage.
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I'm one of those crazy people who chooses their devices on form and function. Couldn't careless what it says on the packaging.
I will let the "fan bois" fight out who is cooler. |
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My opinion has changed due to these patent cases. But it's important to remember that all the major players are up to the same thing. Best thing to do is buy the product that most suits your needs and leave the fan boy stuff and brand loyalty to the mugs.
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I'm one of those crazy people who chooses their devices on form and function. Couldn't careless what it says on the packaging.
I will let the "fan bois" fight out who is cooler. ![]()
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Lots of people crying over spilt milk I think! Get over it. It's yesterday's news.
I hope Samsung learn from this and create a whole new ball game like Apple did. |
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They have to some extent. The court case relates to phones launched in 2010 and no longer sold in the US. The S3, Note, Note 2 et al are peerless devices.
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Once upon a time Apple were seen as the good guys. Even seen as the underdog fighting against Microsoft.
Times have changed and now Apple look much more like Microsoft trying to kill of the competition through legal action. They are also facing a court case over anti competitive practices over eBooks (case due in US court June 2013) much like Microsoft did several years ago with their anti competitive practices. Bad Apple have become everything they fought against in the first place. Has your opinion of Apple changed? http://www.imore.com/usa-apple-ebook...-set-june-2013 I must admit, things like the "swipe to unlock" patent is a bit silly. It's just a method of doing something where really it can be done in many other different ways similarly. However, on the design point; that's where respect is lost on Samsung's part. Of course they wanted to take on the competition which was the iPhone. To make it look ultimately similar is foolish and shows that thought was going into developing the look-a-likes. You can taint any big corporation to be the bad guy as they'll lead by example. Really though, Apple still make the most unique products on the electronics market with a clear understand where market should go with integrated hardware/software. |
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Look back at history and Microsoft versus Apple.
Apple were the bad guy then when they sued Windows GUI. Now look at the history of that GUI . First we had the command line. Then we had a simple grid menu with boxes we could click with the mouse or the f1 to f10 keys. Then the revolution came. Instead of the plain text grid we got pictures to click. Nothing changed much, things simply evolved and thankfully common sense always held out. That is until Apple cheerfully dropped a nuclear bomb on top of its own country. |
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Its only the US with its broken USPTO that Apple got anywhere. In the UK for instance, the presiding judge told Apple to take out an ad to say Samsung did not copy them.
There are a lot of problems associated with the US case especially the refusal to accept prior art has evidence over a technicality. Two examples. 1. Take their photo frame. Different function yes, although it is a digital media device, but does it look familiar? 2006 was the year this device was released to market. http://www.androidauthority.com/beho...in-2006-21278/ 2. The Knight-Ridder concept. A mock up tablet called "The Tablet" which was shown to Apple. How could these wonderful examples of prior art be ignored? http://adverlab.blogspot.co.uk/2010/...cept-from.html Now people can post before iphone and after iphone comparisons of Samsung's technology til they are blue in the face, but please examine the design evolution from this digital picture frame to the Galaxy Tab. A lot of people seem to think Samsung is some backstreet amateur who havent a clue whereas the truth is that they are one of the most technologically advanced companies in history. |
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It's a world of litigation, share prices, market confidence and big business.
AAPL now the most valuable, Samsung share price dropped on patent ruling. Apple controlling huge chunk of mobile market and mobile technology is accelerating rapidly. There is a lot to loose now and mobile is by far much bigger than computing. I'm an Apple user of most of their products, Steve Jobs has always had issues with people copying them. They sell so well because of style and function and Samsung has blatantly copied their innovations on the mobile phone front and profited from it. But on the other hand, i'm fed up of reading a different patent lawsuit each and every day. I wouldn't be surprised if apple PR leaked this continuous stream of lawsuits to the news syndication networks. The end result is giving the market confidence in apple's ability to defend it's interest and products. Net result is a healthier and higher share price. A lot has changed since Tim Cook took over. He's a clever business guy. |
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It's a world of litigation, share prices, market confidence and big business.
AAPL now the most valuable, Samsung share price dropped on patent ruling. Apple controlling huge chunk of mobile market and mobile technology is accelerating rapidly. There is a lot to loose now and mobile is by far much bigger than computing. I'm an Apple user of most of their products, Steve Jobs has always had issues with people copying them. They sell so well because of style and function and Samsung has blatantly copied their innovations and profited from it. But on the other hand, i'm fed up of reading a different patent lawsuit each and every day. I wouldn't be surprised if apple PR leaked this continuous stream of lawsuits to the news syndication networks. The end result is giving the market confidence in apple's ability to defend it's interest and products. Net result is a healthier and higher share price. A lot has changed since Tim Cook took over. He's a clever business guy. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20...tole-my-ideas/ |
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But Steve Jobs never actually said they were his ideas an all ideas designs by cook have always been clearly credited to cook. |
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I'm one of those crazy people who chooses their devices on form and function. Couldn't careless what it says on the packaging.
I will let the "fan bois" fight out who is cooler. Then you hear "Apple are suing XXXX for some stupid reason" and you think 'Apple suing the competition again?' It's not good for them in the long run imo |
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That's taken from an unofficial biography, but no whee does he say "Steve jobs stole my ideas" it says he got annoyed if jobs gave a speech an talked about cooks ideas as if he had created them.
But Steve Jobs never actually said they were his ideas an all ideas designs by cook have always been clearly credited to cook. Its Sir Jonathan Ive complaining not Tim Cook too. |
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My opinion has changed due to these patent cases. But it's important to remember that all the major players are up to the same thing. Best thing to do is buy the product that most suits your needs and leave the fan boy stuff and brand loyalty to the mugs.
Frankly I hope it does not - neither in Europe or the US are software patents legal (under US law you cannot patent a mathematical algorithm - which includes software). Innovation - including much of the innovation that has come out of Apple - was built on the work of those who came before. The rapid speed of technical innovation will slow to a crawl - if those who innovate have to look over their shoulders for some lawyer. |
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The thing is Apple prides itself on a couple of things. Innovation but also how much time and effort they put into producing their products, customer experience and their brand. And their brand is very important to them. Very very important. Because when you don't have the market presence that the 'big boys' like Microsoft and HP have etc.. it's the things like brand that matter. It's what pulls people into the store and gives Apple of a chance of selling them stuff.
Have a watch of this video where Jonathan Ive talks about product design @ Apple.. worth watching even if you think Apple are evil.. this is the best of british engineering, right here: http://youtu.be/3q6ULOT9Q4M And consider how when you walk past an Apple store.. you know it's an Apple store for a couple of reasons. One, how it looks. Two, the logo. And three, what the products inside that store look like. Now, compare Samsung's first post-iPhone phone, with the iPhone: http://www.careace.net/wp-content/up...axy-s-head.jpg Granted, Samsung's more recent efforts are a little more unique. And all credit to them, the recent phones do look nice. But don't under estimate the above phone and the impact that had on Samsung's long term business prospects in the phone market. It got their foot into the door. It allowed them to become the 'alternative' to the Apple iPhone. Not because of innovation, but because of imitation. For a company that prides itself so much on their designs, the work that goes into those designs and the pain staking effort they put into their product design.. you can sort of understand why they're just a little bit miffed that Samsung went and did what they did there. It was a complete rip off. There was no innovation, no design.. it was pure copy at lowest price point possible. That's not competition. Not in my eyes anyway. If Apple were trying to squish a company who was making a brand new phone that looked different and felt different in your hand and had a different style of OS.. i'd agree with you, they were evil. But all I see is a company trying to protect what it has worked very hard to achieve. Apple didn't invent the phone, but they invented the iPhone. Samsung didn't invent the phone, but they copied the iPhone. |
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![]() My opinion in mixed. In a way I can see how pissed off you would be with other companies copying your style. Let's face is Samsung have ripped off apple. Apple put the work in and Asia copies. But I don't like how bullish they have become, this coupled with the "our way or the high way" attitude kinda puts me off. I have been more frustrated with apple products due to limits than any other. Mind you I have been more frustrated with other products due to crap development and design than apple. |
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They've put me off buying their products. I was thinking of getting an iPad not long ago. All these daft patent cases put me off the company. I bought a Asus TF (Transformer) 300T in the end instead.
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That's taken from an unofficial biography, but no whee does he say "Steve jobs stole my ideas" it says he got annoyed if jobs gave a speech an talked about cooks ideas as if he had created them.
But Steve Jobs never actually said they were his ideas an all ideas designs by cook have always been clearly credited to cook. |
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He is still a hypocrite - a large number of ideas that were in the original Mac came from PARC. It is well known in the industry that both Gates and Jobs were invited to see what was being created - Jobs went screaming to the courts complaining that Gates copied the look and feel of Mac windows - which was itself a copy of what was developed at PARC.
Apple do need a front man and i reckon there are hundreds of apple employees who engineer great things that nobody gets to hear about. Ive also is a huge introvert so for him it's a catch 22. Jobs was many things, probably a hypocrite too. There is a distinction between using someone else's ideas to make your own and blatantly copying someone else's work. |
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Jobs was many things, probably a hypocrite too. There is a distinction between using someone else's ideas to make your own and blatantly copying someone else's work.
Jobs has form - he has previously taken another person's design then taken propitiatory ownership of it and denied others from using the same design and used the courts - as they did with the Mac. That is a matter of record. The look of something is not something which can and should be patented - there are other more appropriate legal remedies (see http://www.tannerdewitt.com/media/pu...assing-off.php). |
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US patent laws are crazy and need serious reform because at this point they are only stifling innovation and competition. What the hell are Samsung supposed to make their tablets look like, for crying out loud?
I must say, Apple must not have confidence in their products if they employ these tactics of suing anyone who sells a competing product. |
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