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doublefour
19-10-2013
Seen Kinda just recently and what a fantastic story I find it. There is a claustrophobic atmosphere, from the base to the studio based jungle also heightened by the scenes in Tegan's subconcious. The scenes set in Tegan's subconcious mind are among the best in the story and indeed of the whole 5th Doctor era. From the eerieness of the music score and effects, to the superb dialogue between the figments in her own subconcious, in particular the Male character who possesses a creepy, sinister and arrogant manner. As much as anything I applaud the idea, culminating in the dilemma Tegan finds herself in and allowing the Mara to possess Tegan. Nyssa is sidelined in the opening scenes, but it is more than understandable with focusing on the characters at the base. All excellent performances from an impressive guest cast, firstly Hindle who fantastically portrays the nervous breakdown throughout this story. Again I applaud the idea, and the subsequent quality of the issues portrayed. A throughly convincing performance by the actor Simon Rouse, played with the ferocity and range of expression which reflects the turmoil and unpredictabilty of his mental state. One second shouting Silence at the Doctor then changing his mind "Alright speak out what is it" in a instantly more pleasant and polite manner. In the same scene he is apparantly ruthlessly in charge then on hearing the noise of the machine bringing Sanders back is shouting in childlike manner "Make it go away".Sanders bringing the Box of back brings and moves the plot on, as well as the Mara being released into the Deva Loka jungle. Hindle locks them up in a cage and demands them to open it, staring quite menacing from his monitor. Hindle's paranoia results him in arming the Dome with a Self Destruct, while he plays building a city with Sanders like children, so continuing the sinister unbalanced nature through the rest of the story. They continue to regress towards children while making cardboard people, talking to each other saying they've done there best for them (the cardboard people) with Sanders agreeing. Hindle's reaction to the head being torn off one of the cardboard people is again Superb, ranting you "You can't mend people, can you". The rather comical but disciplianarian Saunders played by Richard Todd, His jogging on the spot while talking to Todd always brings a chuckle. His view of the Kinda tribe being of 'ignorant savages'. Contrast his change after opening the Box of Jana, reducing him to the mind of a child or a bit of a simpleton. That is one of thethings about this story is it has many threads and issues, usually it can get a bit cluttered but I think the story has an easy flow to it, plenty of interesting ideas being explored coming together in a situation that is claustrophobic and well built up. In Episode Two we first start to learn of the Kinda, again quickly we get to learn of there ways. Such as through Hanna, Karuna and Aris, terms such as the notwe all help in the world building of this story. We get more into the Kinda tribe in Episodes Three and Four, I love the section where they meet up with the Kinda Jester. Central to the Kinda are Hanna and Karuna, the blindness being another issue which is thrown into the mix of this multi-issue story. The Doctor's own performance is sublime Davison, this being the 5th Doctor's third adventure he really is establishing the character and traits of the 5th incarnation. Some of his dialogue is good "An apple a day keeps the, nevermind", " Paradise is a little to green for me", and of course his reaction to being labelled an idiot by Hanna.The story builds up to the end, with The Mara possing Aris intent on attacking the Dome. The Doctor finding Tegan and of course the Doctor defeating the Mara complete with the well documented special effects of the time it is still a satisfying end to a superb story. That and the opening of the Box mending Hindle and Sanders mental state by bringing the mind back into phase brings another aspect of the story to a satsfying conclusion. This is grown up thought provoking television, with plenty of issues bravely tackled and portrayed. Obviously then a story I would whole heartedly recommend, and one to rewatch with interest everytime. I must mention the documentary of the story 'Dream Time' on the DVD as an enlightening look at the story from the writers, actors and director.
CoalHillJanitor
19-10-2013
Speaking of a claustrophobic atmosphere, is your Enter key working?

CD93
19-10-2013
Kinda hard to read.
CoalHillJanitor
19-10-2013
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Kinda hard to read.”

ISWY ... O, NM.
Pointy
19-10-2013
Blimey! Still, Kinda is rather good indeed.
Michael_Eve
19-10-2013
Doctor Who masterpiece. One of the very best stories. Sir Peter on top form; great guest cast (Honestly think Simon Rouse's portrayal of Hindle is one of the best one off performances in Who) It's fresh, fascinating, innovative, the music is great and it's beautifully directed.

And I've completely refused to watch the alternative Special effects option on the DVD....this is a 10/10 story for me (and don't give top marks v often)...rubber snake and all.
Filiman
19-10-2013
Originally Posted by tortfeasor:
“Kinda is one of my favourite Doctor Who stories. The possessed Janet Fielding is superb and dare I say beats Sarah-Jane's 'Eldrad must live' moment hands down.
Good to see that Anna Wing's small part has already been mentioned: those scenes are really creepy to this day.



I think the storyline is definitely worth revisiting.”

Uh oh; that Tegan vs Sarah Jane comment is bordering on DW blasphemy!
spiney2
20-10-2013
the old womam is mary morris who played a lesbian in pathfinders, the show that "inspired" dr who !

for those who enjoyed janet fielding overacting, the follow up story is Snakedance with more of same .....

kinda = kinder, of course.
tortfeasor
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Filiman:
“Uh oh; that Tegan vs Sarah Jane comment is bordering on DW blasphemy!”

I like to live dangerously.
comedyfish
06-05-2014
This was the only Doctor Who episode that gave me nightmares. And it did for about 3 months afterwards!

When I watch it again (which i am doing now) all I can think is how gorgeous Nerys Hughes looks - great chemistry with the Doc too!
doublefour
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“This was the only Doctor Who episode that gave me nightmares. And it did for about 3 months afterwards!

When I watch it again (which i am doing now) all I can think is how gorgeous Nerys Hughes looks - great chemistry with the Doc too!”

Nerys Hughes does have a good chemistry with the Fifth Doctor, and is one of many good guest stars in this story. I think the Fifth Doctor had some decent chemistry with some of the guest stars, like Kari - Liza Goddard's character in Terminus and Jane Hampden - Polly James in The Awakening.
Fizzbin
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by gslam2:
“I walked past Simon Rouse at the theatre the other night - I was tempted to go up and say 'You can't mend people' to him!”

Originally Posted by highlander1969:
“Ooh, I wonder how he would have reacted?
”

You would have ended up down in the cells of Sun Hill Police Station.
daveyboy7472
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by doublefour:
“Nerys Hughes does have a good chemistry with the Fifth Doctor, and is one of many good guest stars in this story. I think the Fifth Doctor had some decent chemistry with some of the guest stars, like Kari - Liza Goddard's character in Terminus and Jane Hampden - Polly James in The Awakening. ”

Yep, I think it's a popular opinion that the guest star 'companions' were better with the Fifth Doctor than his actual ones!

tiggerpooh
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“One last thing about this story is that I like is that it has so many future big names in it. I've said about The Bill duo, but there was also Adrian Mills from That's Life, Anna 'Lou Beale' Wing from EastEnders and in a very small role as one of the Kinda was Glen 'Dibber' Murphy from London's Burning”

Glen Murphy returned to Doctor Who in 1986, appearing in The Mysterious Planet, part 1 of The Trial of a Time Lord.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../bc/Dibber.png
tiggerpooh
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by doublefour:
“Nerys Hughes does have a good chemistry with the Fifth Doctor, and is one of many good guest stars in this story. I think the Fifth Doctor had some decent chemistry with some of the guest stars, like Kari - Liza Goddard's character in Terminus and Jane Hampden - Polly James in The Awakening. ”

Johnathan Morris from Bread was in Snakedance, as was Men Behaving Badly's Martin Clunes. Brian Miller, Lis Sladen's husband, was also in this.
Face Of Jack
06-05-2014
The last time I saw this was when it was shown (1982?). I didn't like it - because of that snake thing, and the cheap Jungle they were in. No Tardis.......and that silly robotic machine that Adric got into!
Tegan (janet) did a very good role in it though! Loved Tegan anyway! And I remember Nerys Hughes doing a good part.

Must get the DVD - and I'll report back......after about 24 years from watching it!
gingerfreak
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“all I can think is how gorgeous Nerys Hughes looks”

At the time (I was 11) she just looked like an oldish woman. Older than my mum, not as old as my grandma.

Now? Blimey, yes! (trying to find the Dave Allen sketch where he starts fancying Gina Lollobrigida)

Kinda - I love it. It's not about an armoured alien who's going to shoot you, oh no. This creature is going to change and destroy who you actually are. It's dementia, schizophrenia, depression - all these and more. It taps into the fear of the unknown, a not uncommon theme, but this is an unknown that science struggles with. As the Doctor does.

And talk about peril!
The tribe are facing their ancestral enemy.
Hindle and Saunders have been reduced to innocent and murderer.
Tegan is lost, then saved (then lost again in the not as good but still ace Snakedance).
The unpredictable nature of 'madness' and 'possession' leave the Doctor impotent for a good while, unable to apply reason and logic to fix things.

Absolutely brilliant. Bring back the Mara.
daveyboy7472
07-05-2014
Originally Posted by tiggerpooh:
“Glen Murphy returned to Doctor Who in 1986, appearing in The Mysterious Planet, part 1 of The Trial of a Time Lord.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../bc/Dibber.png”

I know, hence why I called him Glen 'Dibber' Murphy.............
CoalHillJanitor
07-05-2014
Originally Posted by Face Of Jack:
“The last time I saw this was when it was shown (1982?). I didn't like it - because of that snake thing, and the cheap Jungle they were in. No Tardis.......and that silly robotic machine that Adric got into!
Tegan (janet) did a very good role in it though! Loved Tegan anyway! And I remember Nerys Hughes doing a good part.

Must get the DVD - and I'll report back......after about 24 years from watching it!”

You might prefer to watch the version with the CGI. The jungle's still cheap but the snake isn't.
POTD
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by doublefour:
“Nerys Hughes does have a good chemistry with the Fifth Doctor, and is one of many good guest stars in this story. I think the Fifth Doctor had some decent chemistry with some of the guest stars, like Kari - Liza Goddard's character in Terminus and Jane Hampden - Polly James in The Awakening. ”

I've literally just watched this for the first time, and yes she seemed so much more like the Companion to Five than his actual Companions.

Indeed, it felt like the introductory story for a new Companion, someone who works so well with the Doctor that she gets invited on board to see all of time and space...
Lord Smexy
04-01-2016
"Don't be silly, you can't mend people!"

Still one of my favourite lines in the entire show. As much as I love Kinda I can't help laughing at the antics of Sanders and Hindle.
dave_windows
04-01-2016
Alot of Peters stories are worth visiting! It just seems fan conception to hate them because he followed a what 7 years of tom and fans were expecting Tom. I enjoyed all of them as did a rewatch from the vids about 6 - 7 years ago and only one bored me which was Four to Doomsday!
POTD
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Alot of Peters stories are worth visiting! It just seems fan conception to hate them because he followed a what 7 years of tom and fans were expecting Tom. I enjoyed all of them as did a rewatch from the vids about 6 - 7 years ago and only one bored me which was Four to Doomsday!”

It's the nature of the show that each Doctor tries to bring out different aspects of the character.

After the confidence of 3 and the overpowering personality of 4, 5 was a very passive and "nice" Doctor which I guess many people weren't expecting. With the sheer number of Companions in his stories, maybe everyone got spread a bit thin?
Sam_Gee1
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Alot of Peters stories are worth visiting! It just seems fan conception to hate them because he followed a what 7 years of tom and fans were expecting Tom. I enjoyed all of them as did a rewatch from the vids about 6 - 7 years ago and only one bored me which was Four to Doomsday!”

His tenure is probably the most underrated in the show, but he is my favourite Doctor
dave_windows
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“His tenure is probably the most underrated in the show, but he is my favourite Doctor”

I hate to say it but Peters best episode was his last especially episode 3 of androzani.
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