[Flash525]

As I'm sure many of you did yesterday, I also watched Asylum of the Daleks, and whilst there were a few... inconsistencies in the episode I did enjoy it.

The big question I think we've all got ourselves asking now is whether this Clara Oswin is the same Clara Oswin that gets to be the Doctors companion come the Christmas special.

I'd say yes, though it's quite obvious that the events surrounding their next meeting aren't going to be as straight forward as we'd like to think; not that any of us are thinking it's likely to be straight forward anyway.

I've read elsewhere that they're going to do another River; in the sense that the Doctor is going to have his travelling time with her, and what we saw in Asylum of the Daleks is her final fate. I don't believe this to be the case. I honestly can't see them recycling that plot again so soon. There is also the fact that she doesn't seem to recognise the Doctor. Hardly someone you're going to forget.

Instead, its more likely that the Doctor either changes time (not all events are fixed) or that something / someone else changes time so that the events that would play out in Asylum of the Daleks are different, though that would then beg the question of the Daleks forgetting the Doctor. If Oswin isn't there to delete that information, would the Daleks still forget as they've already forgotten (mind****).

So yeah, to summarise; I believe it to be the same character, though I believe her fate will be altered somehow. That, or there will be a twist in that the Oswin-Dalek was just a memory download or something, and the actual Oswin is still out there somewhere.

[IRKarl]

I've a few theories,

1) Oswin hacks the nanobots and reprograms to take over another Dalek human and make it look like her.

2) Similar to one only she hacks the nanobots to cause Amy to regenerate into her.

3) The Dalek wasn't really Clara it just thought it was.

4) Clara's a companion before she gets turned into a Dalek. (very unlikely as she didn't recognise the Doctor)

5) It was an AI with Claras personality that got made into a Dalek.

6) Unknown alien pretending to be Clara.

[Flash525]

Originally Posted by IRKarl

3) The Dalek wasn't really Clara it just thought it was.

5) It was an AI with Claras personality that got made into a Dalek.

These two could be linked and seem the most logical of choices.

[James Frederick]

Originally Posted by IRKarl

4) Clara's a companion before she gets turned into a Dalek. (very unlikely as she didn't recognise the Doctor)
.

She can reprogram a Dalek's memories to forget him she may reprogrammed her own to forget him to protect him as knowing to much about him once the others got into her memories could put him in danger.

Of course she could not reprogramme them all yet as that would mean they never look for him and he never goes there which could mean they never meet in the first place.

[emma30]

And one common thing amongst all companions over the years is the total faith that the Doctor will come and save them.
She crashes into the Asylum- surely the one thing she would cling to is that The Doctor would come and save her-if she'd been his companion before the events of this episode.
I know my first words would be 'Oh thank God!...you took your time'...thats what is confusing me.

[Flash525]

Originally Posted by emma30

I know my first words would be 'Oh thank God!...you took your time'...thats what is confusing me.

Didn't she say that after they'd landed on the planet though? They first spoke when the Doctor was still on that Dalek ship.

It stands to reason that time might be moving... differently for her too, or at least her perception of time.

[SnoopyChicken]

Hmmm, the asylum was covered in snow, decent weather for a Christmas episode..

[tomwozhere]

I think one possibility is that the future Doctor and oswin/clara set something up so the doctor thinks he's met her.

[emma30]

Originally Posted by Flash525

Didn't she say that after they'd landed on the planet though? They first spoke when the Doctor was still on that Dalek ship.

It stands to reason that time might be moving... differently for her too, or at least her perception of time.

Ah...had forgotten that bit-think I was still in shock at seeing her!
I really can't wait to see how this works out!

[MissTinkerbell]

Originally Posted by emma30

And one common thing amongst all companions over the years is the total faith that the Doctor will come and save them.
She crashes into the Asylum- surely the one thing she would cling to is that The Doctor would come and save her-if she'd been his companion before the events of this episode.
I know my first words would be 'Oh thank God!...you took your time'...thats what is confusing me.

Yes but if he meets her earlier in her time stream, before AOTD happens for her and she becomes his companion then surely that rewrites time - she never crashes her spaceship and never gets turned into a Dalek - therefore Asylum of the Daleks never actually happens....... the Doctor is a time traveller after all.

He cannot meet her after AOTD because as far as we know she is dead - the Asylum being blown up and destroyed by the Parliament of the Daleks - with her still on it.

Its not the same as when he met River for the first time - well apart from the fact that they both die - because in the library River knew all about the Doctor and their meetings are happening in reverse.

Oswin did not know the Doctor so it is quite possible that he can meet a youger version of her and prevent the whole Asylum situation as we know it, happening - its not as far as we know a fixed point so can be changed.

[Shoppy]

Originally Posted by Flash525

As I'm sure many of you did yesterday, I also watched Asylum of the Daleks, and whilst there were a few... inconsistencies in the episode I did enjoy it.

The big question I think we've all got ourselves asking now is whether this Clara Oswin is the same Clara Oswin that gets to be the Doctors companion come the Christmas special.

I'd say yes, though it's quite obvious that the events surrounding their next meeting aren't going to be as straight forward as we'd like to think; not that any of us are thinking it's likely to be straight forward anyway.

I've read elsewhere that they're going to do another River; in the sense that the Doctor is going to have his travelling time with her, and what we saw in Asylum of the Daleks is her final fate. I don't believe this to be the case. I honestly can't see them recycling that plot again so soon. There is also the fact that she doesn't seem to recognise the Doctor. Hardly someone you're going to forget.

Instead, its more likely that the Doctor either changes time (not all events are fixed) or that something / someone else changes time so that the events that would play out in Asylum of the Daleks are different, though that would then beg the question of the Daleks forgetting the Doctor. If Oswin isn't there to delete that information, would the Daleks still forget as they've already forgotten (mind****).

So yeah, to summarise; I believe it to be the same character, though I believe her fate will be altered somehow. That, or there will be a twist in that the Oswin-Dalek was just a memory download or something, and the actual Oswin is still out there somewhere.

Erm, where did you get "Clara Oswin" from ..... I thought she said her name was Oswin Oswald?
Was the name Clara even mentioned?

[CD93]

It was not.

[Philip_Lamb]

I hope they`re not gonna pull the same convoluted plot they did with River and Clara is destined to become a dalek in her future

[PokeyOaks]

From one of the recent US trailers it seems that River gets up to some serious time-fiddling prior to the Xmas episode...

[CD93]

Originally Posted by PokeyOaks

From one of the recent US trailers it seems that River gets up to some serious time-fiddling prior to the Xmas episode...

...and The Doctor seems happy about it, which is unusual!

[dangermouseuk78]

I maybe the only one it seems but i kinda got the impression she did know the doctor, maybe that could be just down to being a dalek and having access to the data. From things she said i though she was familiar with him and at the end, what she said and the cheeky look into camera i thought it was going to be the same character.

Unless of course it was all just a Jenna louise introduction Episode.

I still like to know tho is everywhere you go keep hearing Clara has it been officially announced or is it still just hearsay.

[DBSpur]

A question more about the use of J-LC in this episode than the character - why did it have to be a secret? So straight after the credits you see her and think 'Oh, it's the new companion. Didn't think she was in it 'til Christmas'. And...that's it. Was anything really gained by keeping that under wraps? Obviously I don't mind it or anything, but I don't understand why they'd specifically ask for it not to be revealed before it aired.

[AJ1000]

How about JLC teleporting out when the doctor did but to a different dalek ship?

[riversotherlove]

Originally Posted by dangermouseuk78

I maybe the only one it seems but i kinda got the impression she did know the doctor, maybe that could be just down to being a dalek and having access to the data. From things she said i though she was familiar with him and at the end, what she said and the cheeky look into camera i thought it was going to be the same character.

I still like to know tho is everywhere you go keep hearing Clara has it been officially announced or is it still just hearsay.

I agree....

[JAS84]

Originally Posted by Shoppy

Erm, where did you get "Clara Oswin" from ..... I thought she said her name was Oswin Oswald?
Was the name Clara even mentioned?

The Daily Mirror and the Sun's TV Magazine both used the name on Saturday. They were wrong. Either they're relations (in which case, it's Clara Oswald, not Clara Oswin), they're two unrelated characters (in which case Clara's surname isn't known yet) or Clara is an alias. All we know is that Jenna played Oswin Oswald in Asylum, and plays Clara starting in the Christmas special.

[James Frederick]

I hope she is the same character or at least has a connection so she can have the same personality as if not I think a lot of fans will feel that the other charterer is a huge let down myself included

[IRKarl]

Originally Posted by JAS84

The Daily Mirror and the Sun's TV Magazine both used the name on Saturday. They were wrong. Either they're relations (in which case, it's Clara Oswald, not Clara Oswin), they're two unrelated characters (in which case Clara's surname isn't known yet) or Clara is an alias. All we know is that Jenna played Oswin Oswald in Asylum, and plays Clara starting in the Christmas special.

So shes likely just her twin sister, not a ganger, numbskull robot or transforming Dalek.

Its strange she'd play to different characters in the same series. Unless they have Dalek Oswin time shift out and survive and replace the Supreme Dalek as the Daleks leader. Then they'd have the same actress play the companion and the big bad.

[nebogipfel]

Thanks for clearing up all this Clara business.


So, without wanting anyone to post spoilers, all we know is that JLC did not play a character called Clara in Asylum. She played a character called Oswin. Oswin believed herself to be an entertainments officer on a spaceship and was a genius. She didn't appear to know the Doctor (at least it wasn't obvious she did). Nor he her.

She will be playing a character who people expect to be called Clara and that character will first appear on Christmas day.

We do not yet know what, if any, relationship Oswin will have to Clara. (although it seems reasonable to conclude there will be one).

Is that right? (based on what we've seen - people with spoiler knowledge can keep it to themselves thanks.)

[dangermouseuk78]

Originally Posted by JAS84

The Daily Mirror and the Sun's TV Magazine both used the name on Saturday. They were wrong. Either they're relations (in which case, it's Clara Oswald, not Clara Oswin), they're two unrelated characters (in which case Clara's surname isn't known yet) or Clara is an alias. All we know is that Jenna played Oswin Oswald in Asylum, and plays Clara starting in the Christmas special.

Well i will still wait till its officially announced or till the episode forgive me for not taking the sun or mirror as fact.

[BlackTarantula]

When Oswin first appeared, was anyone else thinking, "Who is that?", despite knowing who Jenna Louise-Coleman was and what she looked like? Or was it just me?

Admittedly I realised who she was fairly quickly, around the time of the 'vampires' line (so still in her first scene). But I couldn't figure out who I was supposed to be looking at at first.