X Factor 'Diva' pulls out of Brighton Gay Pride
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You know watching it back it really doesn't seem that bad. It's not up there with the likes of Joss Stone at the Brits. I refuse to believe that that alone has ruined her.
I actually think it is an interesting discussion as to why Alexandra's not doing well at the moment, what goes on behind the scenes and the like. I just find it funny that some people go on about how unfair radio have been to her and how much trash she gets from people online. Sorry, that's showbiz for you. You're not entitled to anything and most people are not going to feel sorry for you. If Alexandra is going to cry for 10 minutes at what us silly lot on the internet have to say rather than just get on with making music maybe she wasn't cut out for fame in the first place, as desperate as she seemingly has been for it from the get go.
Originally Posted by quisling:
“I don't think you could have picked a worse example.
The Sex Pistols were arguably the most manufactured band since The Monkees!
McLaren picked the members, his girlfiend dressed them and the sacked Matlock wrote the songs.
They recorded one proper album and the whole thing ended in disaster within a couple of years.
Their notoriety has little to do with the music they put out.”
“I don't think you could have picked a worse example.
The Sex Pistols were arguably the most manufactured band since The Monkees!
McLaren picked the members, his girlfiend dressed them and the sacked Matlock wrote the songs.
They recorded one proper album and the whole thing ended in disaster within a couple of years.
Their notoriety has little to do with the music they put out.”
Well done for completely missing the point.
I was talking about artists whose management call the shots.
I was suggesting that Burke had no control over whether she should perform or not, so all the bickering on here between her fans and non-fans is a bit pointless.
Originally Posted by PythonFang:
“You know watching it back it really doesn't seem that bad. It's not up there with the likes of Joss Stone at the Brits. I refuse to believe that that alone has ruined her.”
“You know watching it back it really doesn't seem that bad. It's not up there with the likes of Joss Stone at the Brits. I refuse to believe that that alone has ruined her.”
It wasn't just that comment, it was her whole attitude and demeanor during the two nights on the panel. She came across as having attitude issues and a bit of a chip on her shoulder and a bit stuck up. It was a stark difference to the sweet girl that was on the show just three years prior. It certainly heightened the dislike for her that already existed.
Originally Posted by KieranDS:
“It wasn't just that comment, it was her whole attitude and demeanor during the two nights on the panel. She came across as having attitude issues and a bit of a chip on her shoulder and a bit stuck up. It was a stark difference to the sweet girl that was on the show just three years prior. It certainly heightened the dislike for her that already existed.”
“It wasn't just that comment, it was her whole attitude and demeanor during the two nights on the panel. She came across as having attitude issues and a bit of a chip on her shoulder and a bit stuck up. It was a stark difference to the sweet girl that was on the show just three years prior. It certainly heightened the dislike for her that already existed.”
She was only like that with Louis after he'd been constantly slamming her in the press ever since she beat JLS...she seemed nice and honest to everyone else.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“Maybe none of this is Alex's fault, maybe like her fans constantly state she herself has done nothing wrong. It could be that she has no say in what music she records, no say in what she wears, what she sings, where she sings, what she says on TV.
Its not that farfetched to picture her as a total puppet to her music exec bosses who have been calling the shots all along. Everything worked out well the first time, so its no wonder she would follow them blindly this time around.
This is why I don't think I personally could support an industry puppet. Every album, every single requires someone else to deliver the goods. At least with an artist who writes their own songs and has an artistic vision for their music videos/performances only has to rely on themselves to produce the songs and then their is some level of consistency in the quality of their work.
Some of the artists I support may never reach the highs that Alex's career once had but right now they're in a much better position and I'm sure none would want to trade careers with her.”
“Maybe none of this is Alex's fault, maybe like her fans constantly state she herself has done nothing wrong. It could be that she has no say in what music she records, no say in what she wears, what she sings, where she sings, what she says on TV.
Its not that farfetched to picture her as a total puppet to her music exec bosses who have been calling the shots all along. Everything worked out well the first time, so its no wonder she would follow them blindly this time around.
This is why I don't think I personally could support an industry puppet. Every album, every single requires someone else to deliver the goods. At least with an artist who writes their own songs and has an artistic vision for their music videos/performances only has to rely on themselves to produce the songs and then their is some level of consistency in the quality of their work.
Some of the artists I support may never reach the highs that Alex's career once had but right now they're in a much better position and I'm sure none would want to trade careers with her.”
That's the crux of it when it comes to talent show artists isn't it?
I don't even think they need to write their own songs, they just need to have passion and vision and focus and - vitally - they need to make decent choices.
People like Kylie and Tom Jones aren't exactly renowned for their songwriting skills, but in both cases, there's been a point in their career where they've taken things by the scruff of the neck and really become their own person.
If you need writers or co-writers, stylists and artistic directors - so be it.
But you need to make sure they're representing you and what you want to communicate, not someone elses vision.
Same with management.
If Alexandra wanted to look like she's too big or too important to appear on the stage that was offered, ok, that's up to her.
But if she wanted to look like someone who just loved to sing, and who wanted nothing more than to entertain her audience then that should have been what she did.
I went to a small festival a few years back where the 'surprise' headliner one night was KT Tunstall.
I suspect the organisers had kept it a surprise because in all respects she was totally the wrong act for the type of festival it was.
She came on to boos, stood her ground and said - "I know you don't really want me to be here, but let's have a good time anyway" and started belting out songs which, eventually, won many of the audience over.
I'm still not a fan, but I have the utmost respect for someone who'll roll their sleeves up and get on with it, whatever the circumstances.
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“Well done for completely missing the point.
I was talking about artists whose management call the shots.
I was suggesting that Burke had no control over whether she should perform or not, so all the bickering on here between her fans and non-fans is a bit pointless.”
“Well done for completely missing the point.
I was talking about artists whose management call the shots.
I was suggesting that Burke had no control over whether she should perform or not, so all the bickering on here between her fans and non-fans is a bit pointless.”
It was your phrase "even The Sex Pistols........" as if they were the epitome of independence in the music industry when they were absolutely the opposite.
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“..........................I was suggesting that Burke had no control over whether she should perform or not, so all the bickering on here between her fans and non-fans is a bit pointless.”
“..........................I was suggesting that Burke had no control over whether she should perform or not, so all the bickering on here between her fans and non-fans is a bit pointless.”
Pointless it may be but for me, the point has been not whether some talent show chanteuse cancelled or not, but the disgraceful way it was handled.
Knowing someone who was actually there at the time is what raised my interest in the topic.
I think it's wrong that Brand Burke put out vague statements and tweets about 'technical issues' which imply that the fault lay with the organisers rather than themselves.
That's not fair - and to quote Zack 06, nasty - when it would appear the organisers did nothing wrong.
They also have a brand to maintain and people's livelihoods depend on them not being bad mouthed by the people they work with.
It's terribly unprofessional to try to shift the blame for Team Burke's own shortcomings on them.
I'm perfectly prepared to accept that Burke has no say whatsoever in her career except to sing what she's told, when she's told and where she's told, dance the dance that's choeographed for her and look good in the clothes that are chosen for her.
Originally Posted by quisling:
“It was your phrase "even The Sex Pistols........" as if they were the epitome of independence in the music industry when they were absolutely the opposite.”
“It was your phrase "even The Sex Pistols........" as if they were the epitome of independence in the music industry when they were absolutely the opposite.”
Sorry if I misled you, then. What I meant was that no-one is immune from the overarching control of management, not even a band who had a reputation for being confrontational and difficult.
Someone like Alexandra Burke, who is a product of a TV talent show, is likely to be under orders from management, even if she has a strong opinion or a forceful personality.
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“Sorry if I misled you, then. What I meant was that no-one is immune from the overarching control of management, not even a band who had a reputation for being confrontational and difficult.
Someone like Alexandra Burke, who is a product of a TV talent show, is likely to be under orders from management, even if she has a strong opinion or a forceful personality.”
“Sorry if I misled you, then. What I meant was that no-one is immune from the overarching control of management, not even a band who had a reputation for being confrontational and difficult.
Someone like Alexandra Burke, who is a product of a TV talent show, is likely to be under orders from management, even if she has a strong opinion or a forceful personality.”
No problem.
Love the name btw!
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