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The UK's most talented male?
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MrMeatAndPotato
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by lovelife7292:
“Why did you laugh? Do you know another British male artist who has directed a movie and written the soundtrack for it? Didn't think so...

Also, Someone I forgot earlier who I think is talented is Damon Albarn. Although I don't like all of his material, he writes great songs with Blur like Song 2 and The Universal, as well as for the Gorillaz like Dare and Clint Eastwood”

Quality is what matters... his movie bombed and and the music is horrendous.

Directing a movie means naff all if the movie itself is crap, which it was.


The likes of Gilmour, McCartney, Knopfler and Peter Green are lightyears ahead of him.
Cloudbuster
04-09-2012
David Van Day
sterock85
04-09-2012
Thome Yorke
Matt Bellamy
Stephenmarra
04-09-2012
Seth Lakeman
Richard Thompson
Lemmy
CABLEDUDE
04-09-2012
Recent: Alex Turner
Semi-Recent: Damon Albarn
Not Recent: Paul McCartney
Stephenmarra
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by CABLEDUDE:
“Recent: Alex Turner
Semi-Recent: Damon Albarn
Not Recent: Paul McCartney”

Good shout.
lovelife7292
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by CABLEDUDE:
“Recent: Alex Turner
Semi-Recent: Damon Albarn
Not Recent: Paul McCartney”

They're are quite safe choices aren't they? Are you from the NME by any chance? lmao
James__B
04-09-2012
Patrick Wolf, he is one of the most talented around at the moment.
Canks
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by lovelife7292:
“They're are quite safe choices aren't they? Are you from the NME by any chance? lmao”

Why are they 'safe' choices? I think they're good choices.
Shadow2009
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“Quality is what matters... his movie bombed and and the music is horrendous.

Directing a movie means naff all if the movie itself is crap, which it was.”

The movie got several 5 star reviews and it's only criticism for the most part was the length. And I fail to see how it "bombed" when it was only released in a dozen cinemas anyway (due to it's content).
lovelife7292
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by Canks:
“Why are they 'safe' choices? I think they're good choices.”

I didn't say they were bad choices, but they seem a bit obvious like someone is just saying them for the sake of it.

Probs wrong but whatever
CABLEDUDE
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by lovelife7292:
“They're are quite safe choices aren't they? Are you from the NME by any chance? lmao”

Nope I genuinely think they all are.

If I was the NME I'd have said:

Recent: Miles Kane
Semi-Recent: Morrissey
Not Recent: David Bowie
aclevername
04-09-2012
Bruce Dickinson
scamrasc
04-09-2012
well i like them both but i would say that gary is easily the more talented of the two.

really weird choice of guys to pitt against each other though....
Hav_mor91
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by geordielady:
“Howeer you look at it gary is an incredible songwriter regardless if you like him or his music. Will young has nothing more then a voice, and thats only if you like his voice.”

He isn't his vast overated im not denying he has written some great songs but he isn't consistent and for every good song there is a handful of stinkers thrown in there for good measure i am not a will young fanby no means but i will concede he is a great songwriter and verstaile performer
scamrasc
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“gary co-wrote his biggest hits too, there is no difference in that respect.”

actually most of gary's biggest hits he wrote alone - e.g. Back For Good was written by gary in 15mins and was no.1 in 31 countries. A Million Love Songs is another good example. it was one of take that's earliest hits and was the song that really made their first album sell, and it was one of the first songs that he ever wrote (at 15 in his own make-shift studio in his bedroom).

it's only since the comeback that gary's stopped being credited as a lone writer, but the take that guys have said that even the likes of Patience was pretty much gary, with some guitar chords from john shanks.
scamrasc
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“You obviously have amnesia as Simon Cowell was only a judge on Pop Idol. The show was Simon Fuller's idea (as is American Idol). Simon C only thought up X-Factor when he was on PI. Pop Idol format was far superior to XF.”

i agree with this.
if they insist on putting these shows on, then i miss pop idol. it was miles better.
SamMcK
04-09-2012
Paul McCartney is the "most successful composer and recording artist of all time", has written/co-written 32 US number ones, can play almost any instrument and was the most successful member of the most loved band of all time. I would have to vote for him.
gpk
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by scamrasc:
“actually most of gary's biggest hits he wrote alone - e.g. Back For Good was written by gary in 15mins and was no.1 in 31 countries. A Million Love Songs is another good example. it was one of take that's earliest hits and was the song that really made their first album sell, and it was one of the first songs that he ever wrote (at 15 in his own make-shift studio in his bedroom).

it's only since the comeback that gary's stopped being credited as a lone writer, but the take that guys have said that even the likes of Patience was pretty much gary, with some guitar chords from john shanks.”

the cover of `could it be magic` did more for the début album, considering it peaked following that single release and not after `a million love songs`. `back for good` is one of his bigger hits which cant be disputed to be fair and he wrote many of the earlier hits. However, `patience` was co-written, as were many of take that later hits. i appreciate that gary is given the credit for a lot of the song writing, but the songs he wrote for the likes of `matt cardle` and `westlife` were dreadful. which can only mean 1 of 2 things, either he keeps the best songs for the group or maybe he does need the input from the group more than even they realise. either way, there should be better quality control, because as i said, those songs given to other artists were dreadful in my opinion.
geordielady
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by scamrasc:
“actually most of gary's biggest hits he wrote alone - e.g. Back For Good was written by gary in 15mins and was no.1 in 31 countries. A Million Love Songs is another good example. it was one of take that's earliest hits and was the song that really made their first album sell, and it was one of the first songs that he ever wrote (at 15 in his own make-shift studio in his bedroom).

it's only since the comeback that gary's stopped being credited as a lone writer, but the take that guys have said that even the likes of Patience was pretty much gary, with some guitar chords from john shanks.”

I agree, I am not really a gary barlow or take that fan and I have not checked writting credits but was always of the impression that most of the big hits of take that were written by gary on his own
Hav_mor91
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by geordielady:
“I agree, I am not really a gary barlow or take that fan and I have not checked writting credits but was always of the impression that most of the big hits of take that were written by gary on his own”

Doesn' make him a good songwriter although i'll give him back to good

I genuinely though have never gotten the fuss over him he is a half good decent session writer who follows a simple breif effectively who has given us a gem here and there the rest is largely forgettable

Also just thought of someone who is always sole writer etc forget the drugs car crashes and midnight ramblings and that unfortuante Olympics plug in and George Michael stands as one of our best
Hav_mor91
04-09-2012
Also had a rare brainwave

Peter Gabriel
David Bowie
Graham Coxon
Thom Yorke
Damon Albarn
Morrissey

All pretty talented fella's too.
gpk
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by geordielady:
“I agree, I am not really a gary barlow or take that fan and I have not checked writting credits but was always of the impression that most of the big hits of take that were written by gary on his own”

they have released just as many albums now as they did back in the 90`s and as the previous poster said the credits do indicate that the new material has been co-written. back in the day, they also released 4 cover versions as singles and he certainly didn't write them.
scamrasc
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“the cover of `could it be magic` did more for the début album, considering it peaked following that single release and not after `a million love songs`. `back for good` is one of his bigger hits which cant be disputed to be fair and he wrote many of the earlier hits. However, `patience` was co-written, as were many of take that later hits. i appreciate that gary is given the credit for a lot of the song writing, but the songs he wrote for the likes of `matt cardle` and `westlife` were dreadful. which can only mean 1 of 2 things, either he keeps the best songs for the group or maybe he does need the input from the group more than even they realise. either way, there should be better quality control, because as i said, those songs given to other artists were dreadful in my opinion.”

BIB1: could it be magic was the highest charter from the album, but it was the release of a million love songs that really made it sell. it was that song that gave the album it's biggest growth in sales and made it certified platinum. could it be magic built on that, rather than creating it.

BIB2: all take that song's post comeback are simply sited as "take that", meaning that they are all officially co-writes regardless of who wrote them. that was one of the conditions of the reunion. however, from interviews, the guys have confirmed that patience (and one or two other songs from the beautiful world album) were pretty much gary songs. they also confirmed that Shine was mostly mark, and about robbie williams.

BIB3: i would say both. the first part (about him keeping the best songs for take that and giving away the poorer ones) gary has already admitted himself. he said that if he happened to "write another Patience" then there was no way he was giving it to someone else. however, i personally like the songs that show a flare of the other personalities within the band aswell the best. songs that combine gary and mark tend to be my favourite, but that doesn't stop him being more (much, much more) than a competant writer in his own right.
scamrasc
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Doesn' make him a good songwriter although i'll give him back to good

I genuinely though have never gotten the fuss over him he is a half good decent session writer who follows a simple breif effectively who has given us a gem here and there the rest is largely forgettable

Also just thought of someone who is always sole writer etc forget the drugs car crashes and midnight ramblings and that unfortuante Olympics plug in and George Michael stands as one of our best”

agreed - george michael is, indeed, a legend.
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