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Old 05-09-2012, 18:19
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The 'guy from Pop Idol' has a name,it's Will Young . He's also had 6 consecutive platinum/multi platinum selling albums, but I assume you've conveniently forgotten that.

and he is shite and dosn't deserve to be even considered for such an award
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Old 05-09-2012, 18:24
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Every choice is a realistic choice to the poster of it, don't be so opinionated.

will young is not a realistic choice for anyone with a modicum of musical taste, neither is gary barlow, compared to the likes of damon alburn, noel gallacher, lennon and mcartney, jagger, richards, bowie, clapton, knofler and hundreds of other uk males and band members they are musical excrement
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:03
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:32
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will young is not a realistic choice for anyone with a modicum of musical taste, neither is gary barlow, compared to the likes of damon alburn, noel gallacher, lennon and mcartney, jagger, richards, bowie, clapton, knofler and hundreds of other uk males and band members they are musical excrement

Well, after a very interesting and mostly intelligent discussion on this thread, it once again, all comes down to people's personal opinions.

I certainly wouldn't say that Will Young and Gary Barlow are equivilent to 'musical excrement' and it lowers the tone of the discussion a little

I am a great fan of Will Young and admire him for his voice, his songwriting, and his acting on TV, Film and Theatre (just seen him in "Cabaret") He certainly spreads his talent and abilities far and wide, and although there are some wonderful male singers, Will Young is my choice
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:35
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My favourite male artist from the UK is George Michael. At his best his voice was amazing and I love loads of his songs.
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:48
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and he is shite and dosn't deserve to be even considered for such an award
You're just being obnoxious. opinionated and quite blatantly provocative. If Will Young wasn't a talent he wouldn't be the successful artist he is today-over 10 years on from the 'win' with excellent reviews for his 5th studio album and gushing critics for his role in Cabaret at the present time.,

Everyone has an opinion but you should respect others are often different to yours.
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Old 05-09-2012, 19:49
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Old 05-09-2012, 20:02
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You're just being obnoxious. opinionated and quite blatantly provocative. If Will Young wasn't a talent he wouldn't be the successful artist he is today-over 10 years on from the 'win' with excellent reviews for his 5th studio album and gushing critics for his role in Cabaret at the present time.,

Everyone has an opinion but you should respect others are often different to yours.
That's just not true at all... there's thousands of "artists" out there today that don't write, don't produce and have absolutely no input on the track they are assigned.

Perhaps you should respect his/her opinion that they believe Will Young is sh*te?
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Old 05-09-2012, 20:56
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its silly of the take that fans to assume that robbie signalled the change in take that`s sound on progress. especially, if they bought into the documentary that hinted that gary was the `creative force`.:yawn: i don't think robbie could win to be honest, had he continued to shy away from the group, then the fans would have moaned about that too.:sleep:

they may get away with the negative press once again, who knows? they cant stand still though and not evolve musically. westlife delivered the same style for most of their output and eventually the sales tailed off.
Yeah, it was a bit of a damn if you, damn if you don't situation for him. If anywhere, I think the Robbie influence is on the lyrics of the album (the whole conspiracy, paranoia feel on some of the tracks especially) and as you said, the doc seemed to posit that Gary was behind the sound.

Definitely, they do need to evolve. I do wonder if they'll call it a day soon and go out while on top. Westlife was like the same song over, and over, and over again!
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Old 05-09-2012, 22:15
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Well, after a very interesting and mostly intelligent discussion on this thread, it once again, all comes down to people's personal opinions.

I certainly wouldn't say that Will Young and Gary Barlow are equivilent to 'musical excrement' and it lowers the tone of the discussion a little

I am a great fan of Will Young and admire him for his voice, his songwriting, and his acting on TV, Film and Theatre (just seen him in "Cabaret") He certainly spreads his talent and abilities far and wide, and although there are some wonderful male singers, Will Young is my choice
Intelligent discussion IS describing Young, Barlow, Williams et al as shite. A welcome change from the fawning arse-lickery that's been going on so far.
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Old 05-09-2012, 23:15
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Old 05-09-2012, 23:18
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Intelligent discussion IS describing Young, Barlow, Williams et al as shite. A welcome change from the fawning arse-lickery that's been going on so far.
A normal intelligent discussion would be without the use of gutter language
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Old 05-09-2012, 23:20
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will young is not a realistic choice for anyone with a modicum of musical taste, neither is gary barlow, compared to the likes of damon alburn, noel gallacher, lennon and mcartney, jagger, richards, bowie, clapton, knofler and hundreds of other uk males and band members they are musical excrement
Ahh i see anyone considered Critically worth listening to msut therefore be above and beyond anyone else i like a vast majority of those mentioend but am inclined to say Will Young and Barlow excel in their fields and have a wealth of talent between them just because you don't consider them credible doesn;t make them any less talented.
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Old 05-09-2012, 23:25
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Imo Thom Yorke definitely
Or David Bowie
or Robert Smith

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Old 05-09-2012, 23:56
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the album was certified platinum after `a million love songs` left the top 40 and the next single was already getting airplay. the album wasn't even in the top 10 during that singles chart run, so i doubt that single give the album its biggest boost. the album peaked a week after `could it be magic` peaked on the chart and had its longest top 10 run during that singles chart life.

i will read the rest and comment on that too. i just had to address this first.
where have you got the week chart run data from? if this is true then i apologise, as i have read elsewhere quite a few times that it was a million love songs that kick started the album into selling in numbers which previous singles hadn't touched on, and i was sure that that included breaking into the top 10 with good sales. re: CIBM, i've already agreed with you that it was the peak.

to date both songs are fan favourites and almost always included on tour.
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Old 06-09-2012, 00:05
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so you are saying that the majority of that album was co-written then? besides, like you said yourself, john shanks contributed with guitar cords and actually that is central to the medley in my opinion.
i'm slightly confused by this.....where did i say otherwise? my comment said that ALL songs since the reunion are credited as being written by all four members of take that, however, from interviews, the guys have confirmed many many times that this is not the case. the work is divided with some doing more than others. sometimes they work in pairs, or sometimes alone. infact, the one and only song throughout their entire discography which has all 4 members working together on it is "wait for life". in the case of beautiful world, gary was still very much the main writer, as is quite evident from the sound of the album if you ask me. only mark had any form of songwriting experience other than him. howard and jason to this day are still shy and quiet when it comes to writing, but not half so much as with that 1st album (for them. they'd no previous writing experience at all). it wasn't until the circus where the other guys became more evident and the work load more equal.

regarding patience: shanks came up with the opening chords. yes, i agree, they are very signature to patience, but they're hardly the core of the song. it's very much barlow's brainchild.
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Old 06-09-2012, 00:11
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where have you got the week chart run data from? if this is true then i apologise, as i have read elsewhere quite a few times that it was a million love songs that kick started the album into selling in numbers which previous singles hadn't touched on, and i was sure that that included breaking into the top 10 with good sales. re: CIBM, i've already agreed with you that it was the peak.

to date both songs are fan favourites and almost always included on tour.
this is a website i sometimes use and i have done a `take that` search for you to look at. `a million love songs` was the first single released after the album came out and the singles beforehand were released on the build up to the album release.
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Old 06-09-2012, 00:17
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he is inconsistent though. if he was that good, then he would have delivered better material for other artists. not forgetting his solo material, which really highlighted his inconsistencies in my honest opinion. the take that songs were well produced and made the best of his compositions. however, the well seemed to run completely dry once he left the band and despite working with some of the best people in the business the results were less than impressive.
agree wholeheartedly with this - his inconsistancies are his biggest weakness.

i think if he did decide to give away more songs that he knew were good quality rather than holding them back then he would be respected more. in saying that, i don't think he cares. he gets awards left right and centre and has a LOT of industry respect. i may be wrong on this, but i think he has a (highly lucrative) songwriting deal with sony that requires him to fulfil a certain quota....but it doesn't require all the songs he delivers to them to be surefire no.1 hits. therefore he can quite happily get away with fobbing off the more mediocre stuff while keeping the big sellers for take that, and still get big bucks from either end.
(on his solo writing, i don't think it's fair to judge based on that alone. even he hated his own material. he knew what he was releasing was crap. it was the record lable who forced him down that line because they wanted to move him to america, so they constantly told him to change things and the style of the songs, and squeezed in as many covers/other writers as they could (they were limited on this by a claus stating the album had to be at least 70% penned by gary). in take that, he was left alone to just get on with it without any interferrance, or any confidence issues. i would say the songs he wrote for take that in the 90s are much more representative of his abilities as a writer than his solo material ever was)
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Old 06-09-2012, 00:22
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this is a website i sometimes use and i have done a `take that` search for you to look at. `a million love songs` was the first single released after the album came out and the singles beforehand were released on the build up to the album release.
no that's not what i mean, i knew that already. i mean the correlation between the album sales and single release. you said that the album wasn't even in the top 10 during a million love song's release. it's that bit that i'm wondering about, as i've read before that a million love songs was the song that first gave the album serious sales.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:08
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no that's not what i mean, i knew that already. i mean the correlation between the album sales and single release. you said that the album wasn't even in the top 10 during a million love song's release. it's that bit that i'm wondering about, as i've read before that a million love songs was the song that first gave the album serious sales.
yes, well all the information is on that page, just click on the individual singles/album and then you will see the timeline.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:54
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Olly Murs is the most talented performer, go to YouTube and watch his cover version of Broken Stones, the man is very very talented, Gary Barlow is the best songwriter and has been for many years.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:56
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agree wholeheartedly with this - his inconsistancies are his biggest weakness.
good, at least that is something. i am not going to address the `patience/beautiful world` debate again, because i feel we are going around in circles to be honest and while you agree that the album was co-written. you keep listing all the reasons to dispute the level of input from the other group members, despite previously saying that gary wrote `patience` and `one or two other songs` pretty much on his own for that album.

the only thing i will say is that howard did have previous co-writing credits, including co-writing a song for another pop star in the nineties. so i don't think it was fair to suggest that he had `no previous writing experience at all`.
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:03
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Olly Murs is the most talented performer, go to YouTube and watch his cover version of Broken Stones, the man is very very talented, Gary Barlow is the best songwriter and has been for many years.
I've heard it all now.
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:05
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:56
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