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What is your definition of a 'true music lover' out of interest ?
If you like Will Young then that's great as music is there to be enjoyed but if you class music as something more than just something to sing along to then you can't seriously put Will Young or Gary Barlow in the 'UK's most talented male' category. It's like comparing The Godfather' to 'Dumb and Dumber'. Both good films in their own way but one has far more artistic merit than the other (and its not Dumb and Dumber just to be clear) |
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For me, Daley. His voice is amazing. Next Joe Mcelderry, then Ed Sheeran and then Will. Overall though Ed.
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but songwriters are born, not made.
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I don't think Will Young is talented, only vocally.
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will young is not a realistic choice for anyone with a modicum of musical taste, neither is gary barlow,
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I don't really like either of them but there's no denying they can hold a tune and write songs well enough.
Will Young less so... but still both have ability. |
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And who is the arbiter of musical taste?
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Your failure to move into the 21st century is quite pathetic really. You remind me of my mum, back in the day, when she thought rock and roll was rubbish and only the stars of her time were worth listening to. How did people back then compare Frank Sinatra to Elvis? In exactly the same way you are doing with the names you keep throwing up.
Gary Barlow isn't my cup of tea, but he's been in the business over 20 years, no one, without exception can do that without a talent that appeals to a section of the population. Maybe it's like comparing Hamlet to Eastenders at times, but Eastenders wouldn't have been on tv for all this time if people didn't like it, would it? Personally, give me Hamlet everytime, but I wouldn't be conceited enough to think my taste was superior to the millions that tune into their favourite soap every week and you really shouldn't either. , |
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and in terms of artists who are more talented than barlow and young since the 90's , off the top of my head, oasis, blur, pulp, suede, manic street preachers, stone roses, happy mondays, the verve, teenage fanclub, arab strap, elastica, the editors, coldplay, radiohead, the chemical brothers, goldie, florence and the machine, inspiral carpets, the cribs, turin brakes, aim, morcheeba, death in vegas, massive attack, the prodigy, dj shadow, klf, unkle, tricky, metronomy, letfield, kate rusby, beth orton, bat for lashes, the national, laura marling, mia, tom mcrae, kasabian, spiritualized, the horrors and many many more
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go and listen to david bowie or peter gabriels records then listen to will young or gary barlow, there is a vast gulf in talent between them that is clearly obvious, bowie is a worldwide musical icon for a reason, constantly innovative, made new music in verious genres, a mountain of classic albums and tracks under his belt, peter gabriel is the same to a lesser extent, gary barlow writes the odd decent tune but hasnt an innovative bone in his body, same with will young
Oh for heavan's sake, do you think you're the only person to ever listen to Bowie and Peter Gabriel? I've been listening to music ever since Bill Haley and right through the decades frome Lonnie Donnegan to Elvis,from the Beatles and the Stones to the, The Mersey Sound, Motown, Iron Maiden, ABC, The Thompson Twins,The Cure, Inspiral Carpets I could go on at length listing artists just like you have. Some have been more talented than others, everybody seems to have missed out Elton John, but he wrote some great stuff back at the height of his career and he's still going strong. There's been thousands of artists that have entertained me over the years, music legends many of them, some just plain old doo wap singers like Showaddywaddy, and I certainly don't need anyone , least of all you, giving me a lecture in music history 'cos I've been there and I've got a damn site more than one T shirt thanks very much. |
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For me, Daley. His voice is amazing. Next Joe Mcelderry, then Ed Sheeran and then Will. Overall though Ed.
Bowie and McCartney don't have sh*t on them. |
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Oh for heavan's sake, do you think you're the only person to ever listen to Bowie and Peter Gabriel? I've been listening to music ever since Bill Haley and right through the decades frome Lonnie Donnegan to Elvis,from the Beatles and the Stones to the, The Mersey Sound, Motown, Iron Maiden, ABC, The Thompson Twins,The Cure, Inspiral Carpets I could go on at length listing artists just like you have. Some have been more talented than others, everybody seems to have missed out Elton John, but he wrote some great stuff back at the height of his career and he's still going strong. There's been thousands of artists that have entertained me over the years, music legends many of them, some just plain old doo wap singers like Showaddywaddy, and I certainly don't need anyone , least of all you, giving me a lecture in music history 'cos I've been there and I've got a damn site more than one T shirt thanks very much.
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if you have listened to bowie and gabriel and cant tell the difference in terms of talent between then and will young and gary barlow then you need a lecture (and your ears cleaned out)
You want to learn to stop teaching your grandmother to suck eggs and stop being so bloody patronising at the same time. I can tell the difference between all of those artists (but you know that, you're just eager to point score, ) what you know full well I'm saying, I don't need a pedigree from each artist to entertain me, there's a lot over the years who have, from legends to just run of the mill pop. And just for the record Gabriel didn't seem to impress many people back in the 80s, his chart runs were less than spectacular, perhaps people didn't see him as the talent back then that history has somewhat distorted. And on that, farewell ! I've made my point . |
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You're right.
Bowie and McCartney don't have sh*t on them. I do wonder about the inner mindsets of some people... |
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What is it with all the snobs on the music forum? Last time I checked, we lived in a democracy, where people are allowed to express opinions without being slammed for it.
I do wonder about the inner mindsets of some people... Music can only ever be subjective though. One man's shit is another man's gold. |
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You want to learn to stop teaching your grandmother to suck eggs and stop being so bloody patronising at the same time.
I can tell the difference between all of those artists (but you know that, you're just eager to point score, ) what you know full well I'm saying, I don't need a pedigree from each artist to entertain me, there's a lot over the years who have, from legends to just run of the mill pop. And just for the record Gabriel didn't seem to impress many people back in the 80s, his chart runs were less than spectacular, perhaps people didn't see him as the talent back then that history has somewhat distorted. And on that, farewell ! I've made my point . |
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And just for the record Gabriel didn't seem to impress many people back in the 80s, his chart runs were less than spectacular, perhaps people didn't see him as the talent back then that history has somewhat distorted.
His popularity / talent go back to 1967. I'd suggest that you have a distorted view of history if you are only judging him on his 80's work. Genesis were massive in the 70s and had a huge influence on prog rock. He was the lead singer and songwiter until he left the band in 1975. |
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lets move on, i am bored going over the same points and i said so in my last reply.
howard did co-write one song on each the last two albums back in the day and he did write another song for a different singer too. i don't agree with your comparisons there, because like you said, he co-wrote songs that were released in the 90s. did you re-check the website that i posted yesterday? i stand by what i said on this point. the only alteration i'll make to my inital statement is that he had "extremely limited" experience, as opposed to none "at all". even if they were released, contributions made to a number of songs you can count on one hand does not a songwriter make. he may have 'dabbled' in it, but his true songwriting didn't begin until after the take that reunion. and yes i did. i didn't realise the albums were listed at the bottom of the page - my apologies. and from studying it, while a million love songs made the album just miss out on the top 10, before it's release it was at no.66 - the song made the album climb over 50 places!! when could it be magic entered the chart, the album had fallen to 15, and through it's chart run went on to peak at no.2. therefore CIBM gave the album it's peak (something which i had already agreed with), but AMLS did the brunt of the work and laid the foundation to do that in giving it by a loooonnnnnnnng stretch it's biggest leap. |
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funny how his first credited song was not co-written with gary or mark for that matter.
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i agree lets move on.
i stand by what i said on this point. the only alteration i'll make to my inital statement is that he had "extremely limited" experience, as opposed to none "at all". even if they were released, contributions made to a number of songs you can count on one hand does not a songwriter make. he may have 'dabbled' in it, but his true songwriting didn't begin until after the take that reunion. and yes i did. i didn't realise the albums were listed at the bottom of the page - my apologies. and from studying it, while a million love songs made the album just miss out on the top 10, before it's release it was at no.66 - the song made the album climb over 50 places!! when could it be magic entered the chart, the album had fallen to 15, and through it's chart run went on to peak at no.2. therefore CIBM gave the album it's peak (something which i had already agreed with), but AMLS did the brunt of the work and laid the foundation to do that in giving it by a loooonnnnnnnng stretch it's biggest leap. the thing with howard, i give up.:sleep: apart from not caring enough to continue, it seems pointless to be quite frank. whatever facts i post seems to fly completely over your head and somehow you manage to twist it around to paint gary in the best possible light. |
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Has Matt Bellamy had a mention? He's the lead singer of Muse and is a hugely talented musician. His vocals are absolutely mind-blowing, a quality which transcends very well live. That range alone is mind-blowing, 3.5 octaves that get so incredibly beautiful in his upper register.
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i see lots of people are arguing about who deserves the mantra "most talented", who's credible, what 'type' of music/artist should be mentioned here and what type should not.....etc etc etc.
am i the only one who thinks that the thread is just poorly named/explained out? i don't think anyone really believes that either of these 2 are the most talented men to come from the uk of all time. or even 'alive today'. perhaps the OP means 'in the charts today', or even more specifically, in the pop genre. and even that's far too open. how do you measure talent? it can't be done by record sales or any other form of commercialism. for me, i think that talent is being able to show originality and a "genuineness", if anyone knows what i mean by that. to be called talented, you should be extremely good at what it is that you do. but what someone excells at in one genre will be COMPLETELY different to what someone else excells at in another genre. and that's where personal preferrences and (unfortunately) musical snobbery really come in. music is subjective, and whether you like an artist or not is completely down to personal taste. you can harp all your days about all the rock concerts you've been to or how many indie albums you've bought, but just because you like that style of music better than another doesn't mean that those at the high ends of the other genre aren't talented. it just means that you're too closed off in your views to be able to respect music on a broader spectrum spanning over ALL genres. it would be a very boring world if it was always full of e.g metalica and nothing else. and on top of that, i always find it strange when someone compares pop to jazz, rock to r&b, classical to rap.....all of these genres are SOOO different, and each requires a different skillset. who's more talented, charlie parker or led zeppelin?...they're such worlds apart, how can anyone possibly compare the two, except to say "X is more my tastes". but anyway....that's just my little tangent of a rant. the way i view this thread is not "who's the most talented man in the uk", but rather, who is the more talented uk male out of the choices given. |
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i don't think that was the case personally and nor did the fans back in the day. why else would `could it be magic` be voted the best song at the brit awards the following year, if the fans preferred `a million love songs`? no, it was `could it be magic` that took the album to another level sales wise and chart peak wise.
the thing with howard, i give up.:sleep: apart from not caring enough to continue, it seems pointless to be quite frank. whatever facts i post seems to fly completely over your head and somehow you manage to twist it around to paint gary in the best possible light. if you have issues with that, take it up with them. i too am bored of this conversation. |
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Has Matt Bellamy had a mention? He's the lead singer of Muse and is a hugely talented musician. His vocals are absolutely mind-blowing, a quality which transcends very well live. That range alone is mind-blowing, 3.5 octaves that get so incredibly beautiful in his upper register.
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that's not what i'm doing. i've posted facts aswell, and quotes from the actual men of take that themselves
if you have issues with that, take it up with them. i too am bored of this conversation. however, he has managed to maintain a successful solo career for a considerable period.
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however, he has managed to maintain a successful solo career for a considerable period.