[horwichallstars]

Lie detectors are about 60% accurate... Notice he doesn't quote that before he starts ruining lives .

[cathrin]

Originally Posted by Tt88

He must get a bit fed up though when goes into work to sort out another facebook related argument from the local estate.

I also feel sorry for him when jeremy tried to correct him or suggest how the counselling should be done.

He (Graham) looked terribly uncomfortable when Jeremy was shouting at that sobbing blonde girl in the corridor the other day. Graham and the other counsellor were both standing in the background, looking really ill at ease with the situation. After Jeremy had finished bullying the crying girl, he said something like "...And I haven't even raised my voice" (although he clearly had!) as if he sensed that they were uncomfortable with his bullying and he felt the need to try and play it down and pretend it hadn't happened.

I got the impression Graham and the other counsellor had paid more attention to the girl's side of the story (the controlling boyfriend monitoring her phone calls and checking her every move) and that they were concerned for the girl, who was after all very young and clearly in a bad situation. But they should have spoken up, surely?

[cathrin]

Originally Posted by horwichallstars

Lie detectors are about 60% accurate... Notice he doesn't quote that before he starts ruining lives .

That really bothers me too. It's chilling to see such an unreliable test being given such power to destroy people's lives. Why doesn't the show make the accuracy rate clear? And why on earth don't the guests ask what the accuracy rate is when Jeremy's yelling "Dirty little liar" in their faces? No-one ever mentions this.

It's particularly disturbing in the case of thefts, which seem to be cropping up more and more on the show . Imagine the impact on a family if someone is wrongly accused of stealing, naively goes on a TV show expecting to prove their innocence, and ends up failing the test even though they're telling the truth.

[citizenx103]

Originally Posted by cathrin

That really bothers me too. It's chilling to see such an unreliable test being given such power to destroy people's lives. Why doesn't the show make the accuracy rate clear? And why on earth don't the guests ask what the accuracy rate is when Jeremy's yelling "Dirty little liar" in their faces? No-one ever mentions this.

It's particularly disturbing in the case of thefts, which seem to be cropping up more and more on the show . Imagine the impact on a family if someone is wrongly accused of stealing, naively goes on a TV show expecting to prove their innocence, and ends up failing the test even though they're telling the truth.

The show claim 97% accuracy but i don't buy that for a second. Lie detectors only convince the types that go on the show - intellectually deficient (stupid) people.

Case in point was the gormless chap who was accused of having stolen a bracelet from his brothers partner 14 years ago.

He appeared TWICE and despite having a background of shoplifting and car theft it was quite clear he was telling the truth.

He failed twice.

Why did he go on? The guy was a bit of a weed and being harrassed by the partner and her family - there were repeated threats of violence and her son attempted to attack him on stage.

It was obvious the guy was trying to get these people off his back but instead just reinforced their assumption he'd stolen it.

I was quite appalled at the shows handling of this instance. That said, it is equally obvious where people are lying and found to be.

In those cases, i do not sympathise at all.

[cathrin]

Originally Posted by citizenx103

It was obvious the guy was trying to get these people off his back but instead just reinforced their assumption he'd stolen it.

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...And now that show will be repeated over and over again for the next few years, reinforcing the injustice and branding him for life. Just imagine the damage that will do. Awful.

Sadly, the very people who put their faith in these tests and go on the show to clear their names, are probably the ones most vulnerable and in need of protection from this kind of humiliation.

Incidentally, the show seems to have quietly dropped the "96/97% accuracy" claim now, although the guests and audience clearly still believe it to be the case. If anyone ever does question the accuracy rate (and why wouldn't they?) it's certainly never shown.

[citizenx103]

Originally Posted by cathrin

...And now that show will be repeated over and over again for the next few years, reinforcing the injustice and branding him for life. Just imagine the damage that will do. Awful.

Sadly, the very people who put their faith in these tests and go on the show to clear their names, are probably the ones most vulnerable and in need of protection from this kind of humiliation.

Incidentally, the show seems to have quietly dropped the "96/97% accuracy" claim now, although the guests and audience clearly still believe it to be the case. If anyone ever does question the accuracy rate (and why wouldn't they?) it's certainly never shown.

It was more pressing than that, the woman DEMANDED he give her his car immediately - as in, that very day as part payment for "what he owes her" and he complied. Indicates to me just how threatened he felt.

I have seen people question the accuracy but usually when they've been "found to be innocent" on two questions and "failed" on the third. He simply responds by saying "you didn't complain when these said you were telling the truth".

The other example was, quite recently, a family again wanted to find a thief, they were all ready to disown whoever it was until it was discovered one of the family matriachs was "guilty", then they started questioning it.

It showed they have a feeling who they wanted to blame and wouldn't accept it if it wasn't that person.

The response was "i'm just the messenger - everyone else passed".

Personally, If i was producing the show i'd move away from the DNA/Lie Detector stuff. The latter is clearly dubious and its all been done to death but then, they know their core audience and they seem to love that stuff.

People still keep offering themselves up for it too.

Where there is demand from both perspectives they'll continue to do it.

Personally, i'm amazed there haven't been a spate of murders linked to matters on the show.

[highlander1969]

Originally Posted by poppy10

Also do you have to have really bad teeth to be in the show ?

Yep. A tracksuit, slappin' hair and some dubious tattoos are also crafty ways to get a ticket to the front of the queue to be on the JK show!

[Rupstoh]

I am 90 % sure lol that it is that same fella.

[horwichallstars]

The only people who say a lie detector is 97% accurate, are people who sell lie detector tests. The rest of the psychology community think it's 60% at best. If they were that accurate, they would use them I'm court cases ...

[grimtales1]

Indeed LD's arent very reliable yet Jeremy bangs on about them being "96% accurate" and when the guest protests he sneers "Maybe you're one of the 4%", they could very well be. The 96% claim is far too high and LD's certainly arent permissable in court. Even the FBI's polygraph isnt 96% effective so something doesnt add up here.

[iampetesmith]

Originally Posted by horwichallstars

Lie detectors are about 60% accurate... Notice he doesn't quote that before he starts ruining lives .

This is exactly the reason why they can't be used in a court of law. He mocks and sneers with quotes like "oh, so you're gonna tell me the test's wrong?" when actually it could be. How this doesn't breach Ofcom rules I'll never know.

[plymouthbloke1974]

I think they should do an uncut late night version with all the swears and fighting - that would be awesome.

I like watching it as no matter how bad my day has been, when I watch it when I get home later in the day I realise that actually my day ain't been too bad

[jaceylacey]

Originally Posted by darkisland

I hate to state the obvious if unpalatable truth, but the disgrace here is that we have generations of lowlife whose erroneous sense of entitlement allows them to regard feckless procreation as a legitimate hobby to be funded by those who can be bothered getting out of bed and going to work in the morning. On that level, J.K. is unarguably superior to the braindeads who litter his studio.

I fully agree with you

[poppy10]

OMG can't believe how much shouting and screaming is going on in todays show !!

[DenizenOfSW3]

If ever there was justification needed for castration at birth, this show has given it.

Such awful people.

[cantelpit]

It's getting a bit tired now, I think they need to inject some new features, what about turning the endless boring corridors into some sort of maze, ending up back on the stage with various obstacles in the way that the flouncer has to negotiate along the journey

[poppy10]

Originally Posted by cantelpit

It's getting a bit tired now, I think they need to inject some new features, what about turning the endless boring corridors into some sort of maze, ending up back on the stage with various obstacles in the way that the flouncer has to negotiate along the journey

Thats a good idea.

[Sick Bullet]

JK is so bang off here is anyone watching? the lad punching the walls I have anger issues like this and believe me JK was seconds away from being hit he should of walked away what an idiot, Graham should of said you need to leave right now and let him settle, yet he keeps screaming at him pushing him you could see he is getting distressed and angry.

[hyperstarsponge]

This rubbish should not be on TV, I will never watch it as I can't stand it

[Paddy C]

At least other chat shows do episodes where they re-unite long lost relatives or the likes or do some uplifting episodes. Nowadays on JK it's all druggie dole scum thieving serial cheaters needing DNA tests for poor children who really should be put into care instead of being allowed to be brought up by such cretinous scum who will allow the cycle to continue.

Then again, Jeremy and ITV do need people to exploit... Who better than them?

[grimtales1]

Originally Posted by Sick Bullet

JK is so bang off here is anyone watching? the lad punching the walls I have anger issues like this and believe me JK was seconds away from being hit he should of walked away what an idiot, Graham should of said you need to leave right now and let him settle, yet he keeps screaming at him pushing him you could see he is getting distressed and angry.

JK is a c*nt, at least punching a wall/pillow or whatever is better than punching another person.

[cathrin]

Originally Posted by Sick Bullet

JK is so bang off here is anyone watching? the lad punching the walls I have anger issues like this and believe me JK was seconds away from being hit he should of walked away what an idiot, Graham should of said you need to leave right now and let him settle, yet he keeps screaming at him pushing him you could see he is getting distressed and angry.

Oh that's awful. I didn't see that, but I remember another show with a guy who had been on an anger management course for a similar problem. He had been taught to remove himself from a situation when he became agitated, and he quite rightly tried to do this when Jeremy was shouting at him and winding him up. But Jeremy continued taunting him and laughed at him for "running away."

It was really unpleasant to watch. The guy had obviously taken on board his anger management instructions, (and fair play to him for that, I have great admiration for anyone who recognises an anger issue and takes steps to address it). But Jeremy was mocking him for putting those instructions into practice. It looked like Jeremy actually wanted him to lose control and kick off.

[Calamity-jo]

Originally Posted by citizenx103

Personally, i'm amazed there haven't been a spate of murders linked to matters on the show.

Unfortunately I feel that's the only thing that will take this bilge off the air. IIRC that's what finally made them cancel The Jerry Springer Show - eventually someone ended up getting shot and killed.

[wallster]

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge

This rubbish should not be on TV, I will never watch it as I can't stand it

So why comment then?

[poppy10]

Originally Posted by Sick Bullet

JK is so bang off here is anyone watching? the lad punching the walls I have anger issues like this and believe me JK was seconds away from being hit he should of walked away what an idiot, Graham should of said you need to leave right now and let him settle, yet he keeps screaming at him pushing him you could see he is getting distressed and angry.

I felt sorry for that lad. The mother of the girl who wanted DNA test was right in his face when she come out............. then it turns out the child wasn't even his !