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FBI computer hacked contained 12 million iphone User IDs and sensitive data
slick1two
04-09-2012
Here is the story that is going around. I sure as hell hope it's not happened to android/other smartphone users. This has only been brought to light because a hacking group got to the fbi computer. Makes you wonder how safe we are on our phones. Of course we benefit from the many features, but it seems there are others that do too! Not good.

http://www.firstpost.com/tech/hacker...rs-443233.html
flagpole
04-09-2012
Quote:
“a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc.”

seems very odd that the FBI would have 12m of these data sets. they can't claim it was in any way targeted. that is something like 75% of the iphones in the US.

there was speculation that the data was from a rogue app developer. but what app is on 12m US iPhones?
slick1two
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“seems very odd that the FBI would have 12m of these data sets. they can't claim it was in any way targeted. that is something like 75% of the iphones in the US.

there was speculation that the data was from a rogue app developer. but what app is on 12m US iPhones?”

Well seems pretty obvious they have been caught red handed doing something they shouldn't be doing. I mean even if you called it an investigation, 12m iphone users? really?? How will they get out of this one?
Sniffle774
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by slick1two:
“How will they get out of this one?”

Patriot Act ? Mention the war on terror and then quickly move on...
alanwarwic
04-09-2012
The quirk on this story is the FBI file on Steve Jobs

There was a near 200 page FBI file on him which obviously is quite normal for a guy of his power and influence. Yet compared to 'ethical Wozniac', Jobs would have been an easier recruit.
call100
04-09-2012
Truth is the FBI hasn't changed since Hoovers day, so nothing is beyond belief.
alanwarwic
04-09-2012
I recall hinting or maybe even saying that the 'Apple is not collecting your location data' was because it was for government agencies to use..
It always seemed quite unlikely that an ever increasing size of database location log was unseen by Apple.

In all honesty I'm not even against some tracking, in that the open internet we get from more general computers is both god and bad.
Hurlley
04-09-2012
Im surprised that you are surprised, im sure all of our data is being held somewhere too, why not?
Voynich
04-09-2012
Even before we had smart phones, if you had a registered phone in your pocket, it's a tracking device. Hardly surprising it would evolve.
flagpole
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by Hurlley:
“Im surprised that you are surprised, im sure all of our data is being held somewhere too, why not?”

At what point would it start to bother you?

Does it not even bother you that they can't hold on to this data?
superboy
04-09-2012
Originally Posted by slick1two:
“How will they get out of this one?”

Somehow link it to terrorism/protecting children/the evils of pornography
Hurlley
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“At what point would it start to bother you?

Does it not even bother you that they can't hold on to this data?”

it bothers me but what are you going to do. They can get location data from everyone carrying a phone, it doesn't get any more invasive than that. All calls and texts are monitored already anyway.
slick1two
05-09-2012
Here is what the FBI had to say. Anyone buy that??

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ts-laptop.html
flagpole
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by slick1two:
“Here is what the FBI had to say. Anyone buy that??

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ts-laptop.html”

well that is exactly what i would expect them to say if it were true.
Voynich
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“seems very odd that the FBI would have 12m of these data sets. they can't claim it was in any way targeted. that is something like 75% of the iphones in the US.

there was speculation that the data was from a rogue app developer. but what app is on 12m US iPhones?”

Temple Run! Seriously though it would have to be something in the operating system. I can't see any app being that popular.
flagpole
05-09-2012
Originally Posted by Voynich:
“Temple Run! Seriously though it would have to be something in the operating system. I can't see any app being that popular.”

there may be some. Youtube. facebook.
alanwarwic
05-09-2012
The link away from the FBI is that the dataset had the header "National Cyber-Forensics & Training Alliance"

Assuming it was the FBI guy Christopher Stangl 's laptop the data came from then it is could be assumed that this intermediary passed the data to the FBI for any of thousands of reasons.

Of course there is also the possibility that the file name was invented and/or Stangl was named as a diversion.

Logic could have it that Stangl now works for the NCFTA
alanwarwic
05-09-2012
'Gawker Writer Wearing a Tutu with a Shoe on His Head'

http://gawker.com/5940444/here-is-a-...oe-on-his-head

Way to get an exclusive!
flagpole
10-09-2012
Leak has been traced to BlueToad.

Or blue toad agreed to take the blame in a deal with the NSA and CIA depending on how you feel.
alanwarwic
10-09-2012
I'd go along with the rest being made up by the hackers.

It would surely be more likely a more anonymous FBI guy would have been hacked.
So maybe they just chose Strangl FBI guy because they knew the name.

An SQL server hack?
flagpole
10-09-2012
It's always SQL injection isn't it.
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