[elan_vital]

I have to say the announcers in the main have clear voice; some of the journalists/presenters have not.

The worst seem to be on the (TV) BBC News channel where they chew their words or lower their tone in incomprehensibility.

Robert Preston and Evan Davies are the most extreme examples - even on Radio 4.

If you heard Charlotte Green on last night's PM on Radio 4 you'll know that they analyse the script in the time they have beforehand and choose which words to emphasise for maximum comprehension. That's just slightly more than just 'reading' from an autocue/script.

Tim Wilcox has this hideous habit of putting a glottal stop halfway through words and sentences. Neil Nunes has good tonality but the cadence is all wrong.

I know I risk some adverse comments on the use of Received Pronounciation but I wish it would make a comeback - for clarity's sake.

[elan_vital]

Definition:


ca·dence (kdns)
n. pl. ca·denc·es

1. Balanced, rhythmic flow, as of poetry or oratory.
2. The measure or beat of movement, as in dancing or marching.
3. a. A falling inflection of the voice, as at the end of a sentence.
3. b. General inflection or modulation of the voice.
4. Music A progression of chords moving to a harmonic close, point of rest, or sense of resolution.

[Mapperley Ridge]

Originally Posted by CRTHD

Definately not - with you all the way!

Hehe. Guilty pleasures....

[Mapperley Ridge]

Originally Posted by elan_vital

I have to say the announcers in the main have clear voice; some of the journalists/presenters have not.

The worst seem to be on the (TV) BBC News channel where they chew their words or lower their tone in incomprehensibility.

Robert Preston and Evan Davies are the most extreme examples - even on Radio 4.

If you heard Charlotte Green on last night's PM on Radio 4 you'll know that they analyse the script in the time they have beforehand and choose which words to emphasise for maximum comprehension. That's just slightly more than just 'reading' from an autocue/script.

Tim Wilcox has this hideous habit of putting a glottal stop halfway through words and sentences. Neil Nunes has good tonality but the cadence is all wrong.

I know I risk some adverse comments on the use of Received Pronounciation but I wish it would make a comeback - for clarity's sake.

In fairness, neither Evan Davies or Robert Peston are newsreaders, and they never do bulletins. What we are talking about here is the ability to read the news clearly, and with the appropriate tone or pace for the station and its audience.

In the case of Radio 2, the newsroom is - in my opinon - well placed to provide that. Many of its staff come from a local radio background where - largely - you have some very good newsreaders.

[the albion]

Anybody remember Barry Cornflakes reading the news on Radio 2?

[elan_vital]

Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge

In fairness, neither Evan Davies or Robert Peston are newsreaders, and they never do bulletins. What we are talking about here is the ability to read the news clearly, and with the appropriate tone or pace for the station and its audience.

In the case of Radio 2, the newsroom is - in my opinon - well placed to provide that. Many of its staff come from a local radio background where - largely - you have some very good newsreaders.

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I agree. And that's my main general point about journalists versus announcers/newsreaders.

[Mapperley Ridge]

Originally Posted by elan_vital

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I agree. And that's my main general point about journalists versus announcers/newsreaders.

And my point is that most newsreaders outside BBC network radio are primarily journalists, and they do it very well.

[FM Lover]

Originally Posted by colinhanslip

I also remember Ricky Salmon on Ocean, a great voice and a brilliant newsreader. Shame to see Fran Godfrey go though, I remember when she did the late show on 2CR!

Ricky read the 3pm news on Radio 2 and signed off with 'I've been Ricky Salmon, the next news is at 9 o clock'

Does that means that was his last broadcast ?

[Mapperley Ridge]

Sounds like it.

[Andy Walmsley]

Charles Nove signed off in a similar fashion yesterday morning "I've been Charles Nove". Colin Berry ended with "that's likely to be it from me".

[MSB]

Mapperley Ridge:

A question for you,

Does a general BBC News bulletin exist for the national networks? Maybe a 3-minute timed bulletin that Radios 2, 3, 4, 5Live and some BBC Locals can take on the hour?

[Mapperley Ridge]

No. Not in the sense of a clock start IRN/Sky News broadcast bulletin. BBC Local stations get a copy of the Radio 2 bulletin each hour. Of course, it's down to the local newsreader to decide on whether they use all, some or none of those stories as written - or to include all of the audio.

Could it work? Maybe, but each of the networks is so distinctive in its style and tone, it would be impossible to provide a one size fits all product.

[MSB]

I reckon it could be done. It should have been recommended at the DQF consultation.

During the day, of course each station tailors its news content but, off-peak, Radios 2, 3, 4 and Local could take the same bully.

As BBC Local prepares to network for the first time, it would be an ideal time to set up an IRN-style national news service.

Thank you Mapperley.

[Newsbuff]

Welcome to the real world, BBC staff.

[Mapperley Ridge]

Originally Posted by MSB

I reckon it could be done. It should have been recommended at the DQF consultation.

During the day, of course each station tailors its news content but, off-peak, Radios 2, 3, 4 and Local could take the same bully.

As BBC Local prepares to network for the first time, it would be an ideal time to set up an IRN-style national news service.

Thank you Mapperley.

Ok, let's see how that pans out cost wise.

If we're talking off peak, the news network would provide bulletins from 1900-0000, given that most local stations opt to Five Live at 0100.

Then there's the World Tonight and The Midnight News on Radio 4. Realistically they have to stay as they are. Radio 3 doesn't carry bulletins every hour either.

Then there is a question of style and tone. Some networks favour clips, others have longer form voice pieces.

Newsbuff talks about staff living in the "real world", but I think the biggest revolt would come from the audience.

[RadioRob]

Didn't R4 hourly news bulletins once end with "BBC Radio News"? I assumed that was an attempt to make them self-contained for use by other channels, but what other channels?

[Mapperley Ridge]

Not sure. But Radio 2's current in and out cues would work across the board. The other thing people are assuming here is that each network always hits the top of the hour bang on time.

[occy]

Colin Berry bowed out from the 3am news on Radio2 last Saturday and Alan D bowed out from Early Breakfast News, but he's moving to daytimes. I wonder if Tina Richie is staying?

[80sfan]

I can't believe Moira Stuart is staying. I listen to Chris Evans on my way to work and although she is a competent newsreader, her chats with Evans really get on my nerves, they're just so false. How much does she get paid then to read about 7 or 8 bulletins in under 4 hours? She may be known for her TV work but that shouldn't count for anything.

Give the news to Vassos Alexander instead, let's save even more money!!

[Andy Walmsley]

Anyone else spot that Peach, Fudge, Salmon and Nove were on the Only Connect connecting wall tonight?

[LudwigVonDrake]

Originally Posted by 80sfan

I can't believe Moira Stuart is staying. I listen to Chris Evans on my way to work and although she is a competent newsreader, her chats with Evans really get on my nerves, they're just so false. How much does she get paid then to read about 7 or 8 bulletins in under 4 hours? She may be known for her TV work but that shouldn't count for anything.

Give the news to Vassos Alexander instead, let's save even more money!!

Took the words out of my mouth! I've tried my best to put up with Evans banality, buy his simpering towards Moira was nausea inducing. So I now avoid the show and have switched to R5 until its safe to go back to R2.
I agree, I don't see why she needs to be kept on the breakfast show as one of the 'stars', you can get equal or better banter with many of the regular newsreaders.

[occy]

Originally Posted by 80sfan

I can't believe Moira Stuart is staying. I listen to Chris Evans on my way to work and although she is a competent newsreader, her chats with Evans really get on my nerves, they're just so false. How much does she get paid then to read about 7 or 8 bulletins in under 4 hours? She may be known for her TV work but that shouldn't count for anything.

Give the news to Vassos Alexander instead, let's save even more money!!

BBC can't see to be doing that, as the listeners will think they are being ageist against older female presenters.

[80sfan]

Originally Posted by occy

BBC can't see to be doing that, as the listeners will think they are being ageist against older female presenters.

You can't make it up really, can you? I wonder how many pounds it costs just to be PC with this fact?

[80sfan]

Originally Posted by LudwigVonDrake

Took the words out of my mouth! I've tried my best to put up with Evans banality, buy his simpering towards Moira was nausea inducing. So I now avoid the show and have switched to R5 until its safe to go back to R2.
I agree, I don't see why she needs to be kept on the breakfast show as one of the 'stars', you can get equal or better banter with many of the regular newsreaders.

I'm not just glad it's me then

The 'Golden Oldie' slot is just cringeworthy radio these days as Stuart talks in that funny accent where she over-pronounces words to try to sound funny. Add Evans' lapping up every word and it's just time to turn off.....

Off topic, but axing Vanessa's 90 minutes a day of airtime would save a six-figure sum too no doubt!

[ink171]

Originally Posted by 80sfan

Off topic, but axing Vanessa's 90 minutes a day of airtime would save a six-figure sum too no doubt!

Don't you realise she's got a mouth to feed?