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The Ratings Thread (Part 40)
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Brekkie
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Score:
“Blimey that's a big difference in the two half hours! That the repeat last night pretty much matched Friday's first showing says it all. C4 need to stop relying on Million Pound Drop so much. It's ratings are really nothing special these days and by pumping it out so much and making episodes so bloated they are preventing other shows from breaking through. Baggage could do reasonably well an hour later but it isn't being given the chance. I'd restrict Million Pound Drop to two 10x60' series per year, all on Fridays (ditch the Saturday episodes as they don't work anymore). C4 could actually have a pretty decent Friday night schedule for most of the year with decent hits like Million Pound Drop, Chatty Man (again, two 10x60' runs could work) and 8 Out of 10 Cats anchoring the schedule, along with new shows like Baggage, Comedy World Cup and a couple of others. They'd also have sitcoms like Friday Night Dinner and Peep Show and Derren Brown series to fit in, so I think it's time for them to cut back on MPD as they clearly have enough stuff to carry them through the year even when MPD isn't on. They could also then launch new sitcoms (both US and UK ones) in a decent slot, unlike New Girl, as opposed to the current situation where anything new gets thrown to the wolves as there's no room for it because of MPD.”

Not too bad a schedule. Even moving MPD back to 10pm would be a start as it would rate just as well (if not better) and I think C4 need to free up 9-10pm more than they probably need to free up 10-11pm at the moment.

It isn't like they need a lot of new content too - Eight ouf of 10 Cats paired with reruns of something like The IT Crowd could fill the 9pm hour for a good chunk of the year, then stuff like Friday Night Dinner, Alan Carr, MPD and a couple of new entertainment formats in the 10pm hour.


And god, just started watching the new series of Shameless. I think that's going to be another one added to the ever increasing list of series I've given up on this year.
iaindb
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“

Yeah, but as mentioned BBC1 is far more competitive on a Sunday now than they have been in the past. In the mid-nineties of course they were awful and that was with a schedule of Lovejoy, Birds of a Feather and another drama, Lovejoy was thrashed by Heartbeat and Birds was thrashed with You've Been Framed. The 9pm dramas were usually beaten by ITV as well and it was only the odd programme that did anything - like Keeping Up Appearances and even then they had to shuffle around the schedules and shove fillers like Hotshots in to give it a decent chance. For a while a Sunday night slot would be the kiss of death for a BBC show.
”

Well, you could argue that these days X Factor trounches Antiques Roadshow on Sundays night, but we'd still say that AR is putting on a good performance in the circumstances.

My memory of Keeping Up Appearances is that the first series ran on Mondays opposite World In Action and was an instant ratings smash, the second series moved to Sundays 7.15 opposite the then-mighty You've Been Framed and took a bit oif a hit, but the third series in the same slot rallied and was pretty much level with YBF in the ratings.
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I remember Tenko, a big ratings hit, going out post-watershed on Sundays.

I remember By The Sword and there's a vague memory of its slot. Posh, low-rated drama on primetime Sunday.

Don't remember That's Life in a pre-watershed slot.”

A good range of shows there actually, signs that BBC1 was recovering under Michael Grade. 1983 and the first half of 1984 were tough times for the BBC in the ratings, poor scheduling, a lack of money and some truly dire shows had BBC 1 trailing ITV by 19 points at one stage.
Paul55
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think it is simply not Sunday primetime material for autumn. When I was young, autumn Sundays on BBC1 meant:

7.15 new/returning sitcom
7.45 new/returning drama series
8.35 new/returning sitcom
9.05 new one-off drama/new drama serial...

...whereas tonight on BBC One we have...

7.00 an Antiques Roadshow item about a painting dragged out to an hour.
8.00 a Sunday morning programme about the countryside.
9.00 At best, a weeknight BBC One documentary, or at worst, a BBC Two documentary.

And the 9pm series is there as result of ITV squealing about Spooks last year. And has the meek scheduling done any good? No! Because ITV have now turned their attentions to squealing about the Tuesday 9pm slot.

Maybe the BBC should have asked Andrew Marr to do 16 editions of his history show, so the extra eight could have been filmed instead of The Paradise! ”


Sums up my thoughts exactly.
D.M.N.
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“How the hell has that happened? It faced identical opposition to last week, it's had no extra publicity and show one was really poor so surely there's been no buzz about it. How can that have happened? Are we sure that's right?”

It's not a typo, DS have reported it too: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s103/...9-million.html

"Elsewhere, Comedy World Cup was Channel 4's most-watched broadcast with 1.8m (7.9%) at 8.15pm (+1: 121k/0.5%), while The Million Pound Drop entertained 1.16m (6%) from 9.15pm (+1: 170k/1.3%)."
NeilVW
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“It's not a typo, DS have reported it too: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s103/...9-million.html

"Elsewhere, Comedy World Cup was Channel 4's most-watched broadcast with 1.8m (7.9%) at 8.15pm (+1: 121k/0.5%), while The Million Pound Drop entertained 1.16m (6%) from 9.15pm (+1: 170k/1.3%)."”

Which suggests word-of-mouth was the reason it grew, which is surprising as at least two people have said the opener was bad.
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Well, you could argue that these days X Factor trounches Antiques Roadshow on Sundays night, but we'd still say that AR is putting on a good performance in the circumstances.

My memory of Keeping Up Appearances is that the first series ran on Mondays opposite World In Action and was an instant ratings smash, the second series moved to Sundays 7.15 opposite the then-mighty You've Been Framed and took a bit oif a hit, but the third series in the same slot rallied and was pretty much level with YBF in the ratings.”

This was in the days when YBF had an audience and an in vision host. 20 years ago YBF regularly attracted 16 million viewers. KUA was a solid hit for BBC1 at the time with 14 million viewers.
Actually the early nineties were a bit of a golden era for BBC sitcoms with massive hits like KUA, OFAH, Birds of a Feather, One Foot in the Grave and that one about the two pensioners starring Graham Crowden.
F1Ken
23-09-2012
I think Tuesday will be important ratings wise this week. I actually like the fact BBC One are putting a big program on in the week. The Paradise looks like a success waiting to happen. BUT. It's not on Sunday and it's up against Midsomer Murders.

It's an unknown. If it could get 5.5m plus and build then success. However I do worry. It's in a time like this you would really love GBBO on BBC One. Holby like all soaps are having a terrible time at the moment.

I think The Paradise will win it's slot. But does it pay for it's self? If its a hit then we have another big drama to think about. Death In Paradise was last years mid week drama hit for BBC One could the paradise be this years.

Downton tonight. I hope HOTW does well because that is exactly my kind off thing. Hopefully HOTW can get 4m. It's a stretch I know.

Ken
garyessex
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think it is simply not Sunday primetime material for autumn. When I was young, autumn Sundays on BBC1 meant:

7.15 new/returning sitcom
7.45 new/returning drama series
8.35 new/returning sitcom
9.05 new one-off drama/new drama serial...

...whereas tonight on BBC One we have...

7.00 an Antiques Roadshow item about a painting dragged out to an hour.
8.00 a Sunday morning programme about the countryside.
9.00 At best, a weeknight BBC One documentary, or at worst, a BBC Two documentary.

And the 9pm series is there as result of ITV squealing about Spooks last year. And has the meek scheduling done any good? No! Because ITV have now turned their attentions to squealing about the Tuesday 9pm slot.

Maybe the BBC should have asked Andrew Marr to do 16 editions of his history show, so the extra eight could have been filmed instead of The Paradise! ”

I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses, personally for me, BBC1 has always been a no-go area on a Sunday night
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses, personally for me, BBC1 has always been a no-go area on a Sunday night”

I can remember one night in 1985 they put on an extremely pretentious French play, made worse by a cheap set, and followed it with a real fun show called The Politics of Pressure about pressure groups. A lot of the time BBC1 seemed to turn into BBC2 on Sundays due to heavy competition from ITV.
iaindb
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“I think Tuesday will be important ratings wise this week. I actually like the fact BBC One are putting a big program on in the week. The Paradise looks like a success waiting to happen. BUT. It's not on Sunday and it's up against Midsomer Murders.
”

New Tricks and Doc Marten have both proved in recent years that it's possible for dramas to get very big audiences on a weeknight.

Midsomer's last new episode in March had an overnight of 4.67m on a Wednesday against Waterloo Road and The Apprentice (which had 6.42m overnight). These figures are taken from Broadcast and I believe Midsomer's includes +1.

Midsomer is still a pretty solid performer but it's old and I don't think the current Inspector Barnaby is quite as appealing to the audience as the pervious one. We wait to see what happens on Tuesday night.
Paul55
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Are you serious?!

Where on earth would you put History of the World? It's a major, expensive, flagship documentary presented by one of the BBC's biggest faces. And it's the sort of programme ITV would never contemplate. It's exactly what they should be doing. If that isn't worthy of a prime slot, then you're basically suggesting that BBC One should just give up on history, arts, culture. etc. completely. No, it won't do strong figures - but that in no way means it isn't worthy of the slot.

And though Tuesdays isn't ideal for The Paradise, I can't see a legitimate alternative if they want to air it this autumn. Sundays is pointless suicide - gets crushed by the opposition, and has the newspapers sticking the boot in when it loses a 'Ratings War' with Downton Abbey (even if it didn't directly clash). I'm all for the better use of Sundays most of the year round - pushing CF and AF back to 6 and 7pm respectively to air new things 8-10. But in Q4, with Strictly airing in the 7pm hour, I don't see the issue with what they do.

Also, I think the BBC are right to be trying to push beyond the traditional Sunday nights for period drama. With so much of the stuff on order - The Paradise, Call the Midwife, The Village, War of the Roses, The Ark - it seems ludicrous to exclude 6 of the 7 days of the week! (Especially when you consider all the 90 minute dramas - Wallander, George Gently, Quirke, Case Histories, Sherlock. etc - that require a Sunday slot too).”


Personally I would have put History Of The World on BBC Two. Better to be a relative ratings success there than to have mediocre ratings on the flagship channel.
Glenn A
23-09-2012
BBC One shouldn't just be about ratings. I know they need to show populist fare, but programmes like The History of the World are perfect for the BBC's main channel.
cylon6
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses, personally for me, BBC1 has always been a no-go area on a Sunday night”

You must be ten years old because BBC1 used to have greats shows on a Sunday. Only Fools And Horses, Ever Decreasing Circles, Howard's Way, Open All Hours, Keeping Up Appearances, Bread, The Two Ronnies and One Foot In The Grave were all on Sundays at some point in the past. You never watched any of those? Seriously?
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“You must be ten years old because BBC1 used to have greats shows on a Sunday. Only Fools And Horses, Ever Decreasing Circles, Howard's Way, Open All Hours, Keeping Up Appearances, Bread, The Two Ronnies and One Foot In The Grave were all on Sundays at some point in the past. You never watched any of those? Seriously?”

Not forgetting Poldark, That's Life, Dads Army, Colditz, In Sickness and in Health, The Onedin Line, the Beeb could show some greats on Sundays but ITV often had the whip hand. There was no way Auntie could compete with a Bond premiere with 23 million viewers.
garyessex
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“You must be ten years old because BBC1 used to have greats shows on a Sunday. Only Fools And Horses, Ever Decreasing Circles, Howard's Way, Open All Hours, Keeping Up Appearances, Bread, The Two Ronnies and One Foot In The Grave were all on Sundays at some point in the past. You never watched any of those? Seriously?”

In bold i've never seen, and i'm quite sure the others i've only seen in repeat slots, but then i am only 25. Sundays has always seemed to consisted off horrible religious fare, period dramas, much like ITV with Heartbeat and Warm your Heart Cockles
Jonwo
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Not too bad a schedule. Even moving MPD back to 10pm would be a start as it would rate just as well (if not better) and I think C4 need to free up 9-10pm more than they probably need to free up 10-11pm at the moment.

It isn't like they need a lot of new content too - Eight ouf of 10 Cats paired with reruns of something like The IT Crowd could fill the 9pm hour for a good chunk of the year, then stuff like Friday Night Dinner, Alan Carr, MPD and a couple of new entertainment formats in the 10pm hour.


And god, just started watching the new series of Shameless. I think that's going to be another one added to the ever increasing list of series I've given up on this year.”

Channel 4 need to cut down MPD, there is no real reason for it to be on twice a week, the two hour episode next week is bewildering. I think 2 10x60m series a year with comedies and entertainment at 9pm or 10pm. So fantasy schedule wise:

9pm 8 out of 10 Cats/Very Important People/Specials/Derren Brown
9.30pm US sitcom/UK comedy
10pm Chatty Man/MPD
11pm Stand Up for the Week

As for Shameless, I think they should make next series the last and free up the money for new dramas.

Speaking of dramas, Fresh Meat returns at 10pm in October, I think it's going on Tuesdays replacing One Born Every Minute.
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“In bold i've never seen, and i'm quite sure the others i've only seen in repeat slots, but then i am only 25. Sundays has always seemed to consisted off horrible religious fare, period dramas, much like ITV with Heartbeat and Warm your Heart Cockles”

You won't remember the horrors of an ITV Sunday afternoon in the Border region, Scottish football, Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, Highway To Heaven and Surprise Surprise. BBC One meanwhile had the joys of the EE omnibus, BBC Two had county cricket and Channel 4 had Italian football.
garyessex
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“You won't remember the horrors of an ITV Sunday afternoon in the Border region, Scottish football, Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, Highway To Heaven and Surprise Surprise. BBC One meanwhile had the joys of the EE omnibus, BBC Two had county cricket and Channel 4 had Italian football.”

I remember the only tv we watched on a Sunday was GMTV's kids shows and some on ch4... then the TV was off until Monday
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“I remember the only tv we watched on a Sunday was GMTV's kids shows and some on ch4... then the TV was off until Monday”

Oh it was dire, Gary, everyone said Border's offerings were like watching paint dry. It did seem they used to go for a distinctly elderly audience on a Sunday. However, I will admit shows like Where The Heart Is were equally dire.
cylon6
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“In bold i've never seen, and i'm quite sure the others i've only seen in repeat slots, but then i am only 25. Sundays has always seemed to consisted off horrible religious fare, period dramas, much like ITV with Heartbeat and Warm your Heart Cockles”

In that case you're forgiven! Speaking as old fogey I can remember when Sundays on BBC1 were better than they are now. In fact BBC1 has become more like ITV of the nineties and early noughties in having shows that appeal to older viewers. But at least with ITV it was drama. BBC1 just gives us factual programming. Take it away!! :yawn:
Glenn A
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“In that case you're forgiven! Speaking as old fogey I can remember when Sundays on BBC1 were better than they are now. In fact BBC1 has become more like ITV of the nineties and early noughties in having shows that appeal to older viewers. But at least with ITV it was drama. BBC1 just gives us factual programming. Take it away!! :yawn:”

BBC 1 was at its best on Sundays in the mid eighties when they had ratings smashes like Howards Way, In Sickness and in Health and That's Life. However, as I've pointed out when they were faced with a stronfg ITV schedule, out came the serious and often boring stuff no one wanted to watch.
Sad to say one of the most popular Sunday night offerings in 1985 was Game for a Laugh.
cylon6
23-09-2012
Fighting talk from new Channel 4 drama boss Piers Wenger.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ama?CMP=twt_fd
F1Ken
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“BBC One shouldn't just be about ratings. I know they need to show populist fare, but programmes like The History of the World are perfect for the BBC's main channel.”

Agreed. This is just the ticket for me. their are old fogies out their including myself who don't watch downton.

Ken
wizzywick
23-09-2012
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Do you remember this BBC1 schedule from 1984?

6.40pm Songs of Praise
7.15 Last of the Summer Wine
7.45 By The Sword Divided
8.35 That's Life
9.15 Tenko
10.05 BBC News
10.20 Everyman”

I stand corrected. This was the schedule from 1984!

6.40pm Songs of Praise
7.15 Open All Hours
7.45 Big Deal
8.35 Just Good Friends
9.05 Tenko
9.55 BBC News
10.10 The Hot Shoe Show
10.40 Everyman
11.20 Rhoda
11.45 Closedown

And here's ITV's:

5.00pm Bullseye
5.30 Hart to Hart
6.25 ITN News
6.40 Highway
7.15 Game for a Laugh
8.15 Bottle Boys
8.45 Crazy Like A Fox
9.45 Fresh Fields
10.15 ITN News
10.30 The South Bank Show
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