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The Ratings Thread (Part 40)
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Georged123
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's good news for ITV in one sense, but does add weight to the theory that last week was the wrong week to launch their dramas.

I think it's fair to say they definitely underestimated C4's Paralympics and the effect it would have on the ITV1 audience.”

Agreed. I think last Thursday was the highest peak (6.2m?) for the Paralympics during the 9pm hour which would have dented both Bletchley and Good Cop.

Good to see Good Cop slightly increasing too, an excellent series so far.
D.M.N.
14-09-2012
Thursday 13th September 2012
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.07m (17.2%)
19:00 - The One Show: 3.85m (20.0%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 7.46m (36.2%)
20:00 - Waterloo Road: 3.72m (17.2%)
21:00 - Good Cop: 3.51m (16.6%)
* slot average: 4.2m (18.2%)

BBC Two
20:00 - Wartime Farm: 2.43m (11.3%)
21:00 - Hilary Devey's Women at the Top: 794k (3.75%) inc HD
* slot average: 1.38m (6%)
22:00 - Mock the Week: 1.6m (8.5%)

ITV1
17:00 - The Chase: 2.48m inc +1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.21m (32.3%), +1: 140k (0.6%)
19:30 - Tonight: 2.83m inc +1
20:00 - Emmerdale: 5.72m (26.5%), +1: 288k (1.4%)
20:30 - The Corrie Years: 2.92m (13.5%), +1: 175k (0.8%)
21:00 - The Bletchley Circle: 4.26m (20.15%), +1: 322k (1.94%)
* slot average: 4.15m (17.9%)

Channel 4
18:00 - The Simpsons: 1.39m inc +1
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 833k (4.6%)
20:00 - Location, Location, Location: 1.82m (8.4%), +1: 375k (1.8%)
21:00 - The Audience: 1.07m (5.06%), +1: 190k (1.14%)
* slot average: 1.75m (7.5%)
22:00 - Shameless: 987k (6%), +1: 166k (1.9%)

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 590k (9.5%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 882k (6.4%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 618k (3.8%)
19:00 - Ultimate Police Interceptors: 475k (2.4%)
20:00 - World's Scariest Places: 1.14m (5.4%)
21:00 - FILM: Lethal Weapon 3: 910k (5.05%), +1: 44k (0.37%)

Primetime Shares
BBC One - 20.1%
ITV1 - 18.2% (+1: 0.9%)
BBC Two - 7.7%
Channel 4 - 5.6% (+1: 1.1%)
Channel 5 - 4.4% (+1: 0.2%)

All Day Shares inc +1's
BBC One - 20.4%
ITV1 - 16.9%
Channel 4 - 6.3%
BBC Two - 6.0%
Channel 5 - 4.4%
ITV2 - 3.1%
ITV3 - 2.7%
E4 - 2.5%

Multichannels
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 439k (2.4%)

BBC Three
22:30 - EastEnders: 566k (3.9%)

Dave (inc +1)
21:00 - Mock The Week: 290k

E4
18:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 760k inc +1
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 588k (3.1%)
21:00 - 2 Broke Girls: 667k inc +1

Film4 (inc +1)
21:00 - FILM: My Sister's Keeper: 294k

ITV2
22:00 - Celebrity Juice: 1.49m (8.5%), +1: 221k (2.3%)

More4 (inc +1)
19:55 - Grand Designs: 345k
21:00 - Thelma's Gypsy Girls: 290k

Really (inc +1)
21:00 - New Paranormal Witness: 243k

Yesterday (inc +1)
19:25 - Last Of The Summer Wine: 341k

Source: Attentional, Broadcast, C4 Sales, DS (1, 2)
southlad
14-09-2012
How is Daybreak doing? I'm guessing 0.7m for Thursdays show???
gslam2
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's good news for ITV in one sense, but does add weight to the theory that last week was the wrong week to launch their dramas.

I think it's fair to say they definitely underestimated C4's Paralympics and the effect it would have on the ITV1 audience.”

C4 Paralympics saw their ABC1 audience rise considerably more than other demos so ITV drama suffered the worst from it from the looks of it.
Bushmills
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by southlad:
“How is Daybreak doing? I'm guessing 0.7m for Thursdays show???”

600,000
Jonwo
14-09-2012
Shameless took a hit against Celebrity Juice, good thing it's on Wednesdays for the rest of the series.
southlad
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“600,000”

all_night
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by southlad:
“”

I think we should begin arranging the funeral
grimshaw
14-09-2012
Thanks for the ratings DMN

Oucha! at Shameless! Dreadful rating; the competition killed it. Good Cop not doing too great either.

ITV1 meanwhile gaining strength with their dramas. Second Emmerdale not mixing well with Waterloo Road though.


Hilary Devey meanwhile having some atrocious ratings on BBC Two.
D.M.N.
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“600,000”

The problem with breakfast figures is that doing it to 1.d.p. doesn't tell us much, as there's a big difference between 551,000 and 649,000 viewers.

Broadcast have an article up looking at Breakfast's first 100 editions from Salford versus this time last year, it says it is down. From 1.6m to 1.5m. Really? That could easily be 1.56m to 1.54m, but the 1.d.p. makes it seem more than what it really is. (or it could be 1.64m to 1.46m, in which case the opposite applies...)
gslam2
14-09-2012
Yesterday 15 min breakdown for BBC1 & ITV1 breakfast.


Time BBC1 ITV
600 537 184
615 764 272
630 968 340
645 1155 473
700 1434 686
715 1630 729
730 1838 803
745 1875 899
800 1808 1028
815 1731 955
830 1489 831
845 1418 802
900 1319 924
915 1109 982
930 1131 1142
KennyT
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The problem with breakfast figures is that doing it to 1.d.p. doesn't tell us much, as there's a big difference between 551,000 and 649,000 viewers.

Broadcast have an article up looking at Breakfast's first 100 editions from Salford versus this time last year, it says it is down. From 1.6m to 1.5m. Really? That could easily be 1.56m to 1.54m, but the 1.d.p. makes it seem more than what it really is. (or it could be 1.64m to 1.46m, in which case the opposite applies...)”

For something like the breakfast shows, "reach" should be reported/compared as well (15min reach would be good, but we'll probably have to accept 3min reach ).
southlad
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by gslam2:
“Yesterday 15 min breakdown for BBC1 & ITV1 breakfast.


Time BBC1 ITV
600 537 184
615 764 272
630 968 340
645 1155 473
700 1434 686
715 1630 729
730 1838 803
745 1875 899
800 1808 1028
815 1731 955
830 1489 831
845 1418 802
900 1319 924
915 1109 982
930 1131 1142”

How long before the next Daybreak relaunch?

Not sure how popular this would be, but I'd like to see Dan Lobb back presenting with either Christine Bleakley or Kate Garraway.
Hassaan13
14-09-2012
1.6 million for Mock the Week, is that what it usually gets?
KennyT
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by gslam2:
“Yesterday 15 min breakdown for BBC1 & ITV1 breakfast.


Time BBC1 ITV
...
930 1131 1142”

I'm surprised the ITV PR machine didn't swing into action!

K
derek500
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The problem with breakfast figures is.....”

...average figures over two or three hours when people are only watching for a few minutes.

Reach is surely a better way?
Steve Williams
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“If C4 were to make a loss it would be criticized for wasting state money...
If C4 airs shows that make money it gets accused of not being public-service....
Can you see a situation in which C4 win? because I certainly don't....”

Well, the C4 line-up certainly used to be a lot more appealing than it is now, and that was when they were under the same conditions they are now. The light entertainment slate at the moment is atrocious, look what we've got this week - Rude Tube, a show based around YouTube clips, Baggage, a dating show, Alan Carr, a chat show that's the same as Graham Norton's show but not as good, The Million Pound Drop, a big money quiz show, Comedy World Cup, a panel show, and The Big Fat Quiz Of The 80s, another panel show.

I've said this before but Dave are massively maligned for their predictable and unchallenging schedules, yet they did School of Hard Sums - a panel show about maths! That's the kind of thing C4 should be doing, an intelligent twist on existing formats. C4 have shown two new panel shows this year, one about adverts and one about the past, both utterly derivative and unoriginal and both simply allowing the same comedians as on every other panel show to do the same jokes. It's not even the fact that C4 aren't doing their equivalents of Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle and Grandma's House - it's that they're not even doing their equivalents of something like Would I Lie To You, an original idea that promotes new talent and allows existing talent to appear in a different format. What's Comedy World Cup going to do that every other panel game doesn't? Not much, by the looks of things.

Shameless is another example, commercial enterprise or no. C4 can easily win the argument if they spend more effort on coming up with concepts and formats that are entertaining and popular without being massively derivative and flogged to death. Even ITV have a more innovative drama slate. Eternal Law was bloody awful but at least they were trying something different.

C4 should be making the good popular and the popular good. It doesn't seem to be doing that, it's relying on a handful of old shows and all their new shows are doing nothing you couldn't see on another channel.
Roscoe Barnes
14-09-2012
Yikes!! Disaster for Shameless last night. Not sure why they needed to start the series with a double-bill (they did it earlier this year too when series 9 launched with a double-bill on the Monday & the Tuesday). It was clearly dented by Celebrity Juice (which was one of the best episodes ever IMO) and the weak lead-in didn't help. But to be under 1m exc +1 is a total mess for C4. R.I.P. Shameless. It was fun while it lasted (which was ages ago by the way!).

Meanwhile, good to see The Bletchley Circle increase week-on-week. ITV should have held it back a week really. And I can't help thinking that with a 7m Corrie lead-in - it could be doing even better. The Corrie Years is doing very badly. They need something stronger at 8.30pm. Also surprised to see Emmerdale record its worst ratings of the week so far. It was one of the best doubles in a while yesterday and deserved much more. I think the lack of Corrie is also hurting the 2nd Emmerdale. Despite Corrie never doing great business on Thursdays - it did provide the stability the schedule needed, thereby boosting Emmerdale and the 9pm drama. One problem is solved (Corrie back to its original Wednesday slot) whilst an entirely new problem begins. The second Emmerdale does seem a bit lost now on Thursday's. They should either bring back the hour Special (which isn't ideal as it would go head-to-head against EE every week) or move it back to Sundays IMO.
Barbara2001
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I'm surprised the ITV PR machine didn't swing into action!

K”

Doesn't BBC Breakfast finish at 9.15am?
NeilVW
14-09-2012
Am I missing something or was Shameless on Wed night as well? If so, was last night's another new episode? Poor if it was. EDIT: Roscoe confirmed it was new.

I bet BBC2 are glad Hilary Devey's show was just two parts. I think Steve said she's off to another channel? (C4?) They won't be sad then.

TOS seems to be stable at 20% share now. They led with Hillsborough and another news /current affairs segment. Paul Merton was good value.

Strange how ITV1 lost primetime despite 60 mins of soap v 30, and a 9pm-winning drama. 10-11pm must have been very weak.
The Full Sparky
14-09-2012
I'd say The Audience's rating of just over a million is an outside contender for worst rating of the year, reasonably well promoted, a format that you'd have imagined would have appealed to the usual 9pm C4 viewership yet only half the slot average....
paltonz
14-09-2012
Early US Household:

TXF (Fox - 8-9pm) - 6.4 (down 23% from an 8.3 last year)
AGT Finale (NBC - 8-10pm) - 6.9 (lost to TXF narrowly with 6.2 in first hour, down 26% from 9.3 last year)
Glee (Fox - 9-10pm) - 5.6 (down 15% from 6.6 last year's premiere)

The 18-49 numbers should be interesting.
AlexiR
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“If C4 were to make a loss it would be criticized for wasting state money...
If C4 airs shows that make money it gets accused of not being public-service....
Can you see a situation in which C4 win? because I certainly don't....”

But is Shameless actually making money at this point? Its not a cheap show to make and viewing figures have been dropping for some time now. I think it would be all well and good to plug away with Shameless if people were still watching it but the problem is that they aren't. And ultimately I think for a lot of people Shameless tends to sum up the much broader problem at Channel 4 they've become extraordinarily adverse to taking risks and as a result the same old shows are playing to ever diminishing returns.

Shameless is still around for the simple reason that Channel 4 is terrified of trying to launch new returnable drama. Over the past 5 years how many dramas with returnable potential have Channel 4 actually aired? They've become stuck in the mud and Shameless is just this glaring example of that.

And just to hammer this home Channel 4's schedule for next week:

Monday: Dispatches / Food Unwrapped / 999: What's Your Emergency / Rude Tube
Tuesday: Double Your House for half the Money / Derren Brown: Svengali
Wednesday: The Food Hospital / Grand Designs / Shameless
Thursday: Location, Location, Location / The Audience / One Born Every Minute
Friday: Baggage / Million Pound Drop Live / Alan Carr Chatty Man
Saturday: Comedy World Cup / Million Pound Drop Live
Sunday: Jimmy and the Whale Whisperer / Kevin McCloud's Man Made Home / Big Fat Quiz of the 90's

The third full week of September and they're airing one scripted show as part of their prime time line-up. One. The rest is either ageing reality/lifestyle shows or derivative reality/lifestyle shows or overexposed entertainment or panel shows. With the exception of Baggage. A dating show hosted by Gok Wan appears to be the most original format on Channel 4 next week.
NeilVW
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by Barbara2001:
“Doesn't BBC Breakfast finish at 9.15am?”

You're right, new episodes of Rip Off Britain play at 9.15.
D.M.N.
14-09-2012
Originally Posted by gslam2:
“Yesterday 15 min breakdown for BBC1 & ITV1 breakfast.


Time BBC1 ITV
600 537 184
615 764 272
630 968 340
645 1155 473
700 1434 686
715 1630 729
730 1838 803
745 1875 899
800 1808 1028
815 1731 955
830 1489 831
845 1418 802
900 1319 924
915 1109 982
930 1131 1142”

Okay, so that's 637k for Daybreak, 885k for Lorraine and 1.38m for BBC Breakfast.

Interesting to look at the percentage split through the morning:

06:00 - 74% vs 26%
06:15 - 74% vs 26%
06:30 - 74% vs 26%
06:45 - 71% vs 29%
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07:00 - 68% vs 32%
07:15 - 69% vs 31%
07:30 - 70% vs 30%
07:45 - 68% vs 32%
08:00 - 64% vs 36%
08:15 - 64% vs 36%
-------------------------
08:30 - 64% vs 36%
08:45 - 64% vs 36%
09:00 - 59% vs 41%
09:15 - 53% vs 47%
-------------------------
09:30 - 50% vs 50%

The news hour, perhaps unsurprisingly, not performing as well as the rest of the programme.
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