It does start 30 minutes later, which honestly will have a big effect - don't remember terrible weather around this time last year; and it we saw in all the breakdowns that the closer Strictly gets to 7, the better it rates (which is why BBC would clash with X Factor, it actually hurt less than an early start).

Am thinking 8m+ for the opener atm.

Watching it right now, its the first episode of the series. Good to have it back on telly.

Yeah, that's why they should never have done it. I would like to think that if they did move Emmerdale to being an hour long on Thursday, the Beeb would immediately say what bloody hypocrites they were for moaning every time Strictly got anywhere near X Factor. And it's even more of a waste there than at eight, I'd say, at least ITV can then get an audience back after 'stEnders.

I think the problem you mention with Sunday at seven if the same thing you're now going to get on Thursday at eight, BBC1 can air slightly more attractive fare there now because it's only up against Emmerdale and not Corrie as well and if something half decent is there it'll also smother Emmerdale, especially with a 'stEnders lead-in. And to my mind the difference between the two slots is negligible, the bonus of putting it on Sunday is that people will remember it's on 7pm every night, not have to remember the one night of the week it's at eight.

Given they gave Fringe a shortened final season to get to 100 episodes despite not owning it, I think Glee's chances of getting to 100 is pretty good. Do find it strange that the syndication number went down from 100 to 88 but I guess it's probably to do with costs. I know Disney used to end their kids show when they hit 65 episodes although that rule has been relaxed somewhat.

Emmerdale at 8o'clock was rating just as badly 2-3 weeks ago when Coro St. was at 8.30 as it is now without Coro. The Waterloo Rd clash is denting both ED and WR by half a million viewers because there are fans of both shows who have to choose between one or the other. When Waterloo Rd finishes its series in 5 weeks, Emmerdales ratings will improve. And WRs ratings would get better if they moved it back to Wednesday. Only the diehards care about Coro St. Years, no wonder it cant even get 3million.

Interesting stuff, thanks. With who, or didn't it say?

Hopefully they will use it to strengthen daytime on C5 and 5*

Princess Productions who make Eddie Stobart and The Wright Stuff are the makers. I'm sure a UK version of these courtroom shows could do well, they need a good judge.

Other Channel 5 news.

Rolf Harris is to return as a vet for the University of Liverpool. Sounds good.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...046621.article

But they'd have to get used to Emmerdale returning to a Sunday night without a like minded programme around it. There's no Coronation Street; no Heartbeat; no Foyle's War. It'll be soap followed by whatever ITV's next entertainment flop will be and BBC One will know they only have to avoid the junction to hurt it badly. At least BBC One have little choice but to start a programme at 8pm Thursday as EastEnders has the 7.30pm slot.


What have BBC One got lined up after Waterloo Road finishes? They really could go for the jugular as Emmerdale is not 'must see' programming; yes, it'll rate higher than most things in that slot but it's still got a soft underbelly.

A thread to discuss Eddie Stobart has been made. Channel 5 have got a better line-up then Channel 4 main channel looking at there new stuff and their current stuff

OK here are some top 10 genre lists from Broadcastnow.co.uk, for overnights in the week ending last Sunday, 9 September.

Top 10 programmes on kids' channels by child viewers

Top 10 comedy programmes

Top 10 arts and music programmes

And from the entertainment top 10, one rating from 5 September which I don’t think was reported on this thread:

National Lottery Draws, Wed 22.35: 2.74m (17.61%) BBC1

No current affairs or sport lists this week, hence we have comedy and music/arts.

Thank you NeilVW.How much is a subscription for Broadcast and is it worth it?

£192 for a year. I won't be buying at the moment, that's for sure! (On 2-week free trial)

Warner Bros discounted Fringe heavily so it would be able to reach 100 episodes, and also I think both Fox and WB wanted to give the show an ending, so they wouldn't look bad.

It's not that the syndication number is reduced it's more that shows enter at 88 with additional seasons pushing it up to 100. So in actual fact many syndication contracts guarantee production of at least one additional season.

Nickelodeon still end their kids shows at 65 (except Spongebob), much to the annoyance of Dan Schnieder (creator/showrunner of Drake & Josh, iCarly and a few other shows)

Or you could just use the "Google workaround".

Thanks for the ratings, Neil VW, and to those who have posted updates throughout the week.

Yes I may well give that a go as it sometimes works for me.

I remember Sony cut its licensing fee to pratically nothing so FOX could renew Til Death for a fourth season in order to get it to syndication despite it doing horrible in the ratings. I think NBC may have renewed Community for 13 more episode although it'll fall short by 4 episodes but I wouldn't be surprised if NBC give it additional episode to get to 88.

The syndication number has reduced.

100+ is still the preferred episode count but 88 has now become the new minimum for stripped syndication of drama (and that's where the serious money is). In large part this is just because the economics of getting a show to 100 episodes is radically different to what it was a few years ago and production companies were just finding it harder to get there. Syndication deals are now largely done on producing at least 88 episodes rather than 100. A number that (not) coincidently also happens to equal four seasons of 22 episodes. Weird that.

The fact that cable drama has grown significantly over the past decade has helped to reduce the number as well. Shorter season orders makes it harder to get to 100 on cable (unless you're a Tyler Perry sitcom) and so again production companies pushed to get the minimum requirement down to something a little more manageable on 13-16 episode seasons.

Although its true that some deals do still have penalties written into them if you don't reach 100 episodes.

NBC will order a back 9 for Community.

I think it's probably easier for a comedy to get to 100 episodes than a drama as it's cheaper to produce, I've read of how Two and a Half Men was doing so well in syndication and this has lead to bidding wars for comedies like The Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls etc I do wonder whether the rise of comedy is due to its success not only on networks but also in syndication. The Tyler Perry model of 10 episodes followed by 90 episodes if they hit a certain target is interesting but I've yet to see any broadcast networks take on a sitcom with such a commitment.

or perhaps not, it has a cult audience, not a large one and for all we know the two new showrunners might screw it up (though I don't think they will) to the point where not even the cult fans want 6 seasons and a movie...

A shame Sky don't provide viewing figures for their shows in Ireland - I suspect Moone Boy did very well indeed in Irish homes tonight.

For me, it was by far and away the best original comedy effort on Sky 1 so far. Brilliantly written, acted and (crucially!) it was actually funny.

I can't see a broadcast network every committing to a 10 +90 order. Its not an economically viable option for broadcast networks in the way it is for cable networks. As a general rule there are greater penalties built into broadcast shows compared to cable and shows cost more to make on broadcast compared to cable for increasingly outdated reasons. Its a very strange situation and I'm still amazed they managed to get FX to bite on that deal for Anger Management.

Certainly though the resurgence of comedy on the networks isn't unrelated to the fact that comedies pull in major bucks via syndication. Even middling comedy shows can pull in huge sums all told via syndication in a way that drama just doesn't. The production companies were never particularly happy that comedy sort of fell out of favour for a few years with the broadcast nets. Although in the defence of the broadcast networks it fell out of favour because they got sold some absolute stinkers.


Doesn't matter.

Its surprisingly cheap (even by the standard of low rating comedies), has a buzzy cast that network executives like and want to keep under contract and on television and Universal own a stake in it so NBC will take a back 9 of poor numbers on Friday if they have to. Although to be honest I think it'll do OK on Friday and they'll want to keep it around in case it needs to parachute in somewhere else on the schedule which is almost inevitable really (*cough*Wednesday 8:30*cough* *cough*Tuesday 9:30*cough*). Plus you don't tend to get rid of a lot of your expensive producers/directors to bring down costs so you can fall short of a syndication number.

As things stand Community would have to do spectacularly badly not to pick up a back 9 or at the very least a back order of some kind.