I tend to think that the rating of the night in the US was probably The Voice repeat. That did shockingly well and has me concerned that NBC might start throwing Voice repeats onto the schedule when they're forced to pull stuff. Because obviously what the NBC schedule needs is more of The Voice...


Have they announced Crickley Hall for Wednesday or are we just assuming it'll land there? But God knows how they schedule all of this. Its a bit crazy really.

Found this article about Ten Australia and its woes,

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/ente...914-25vmk.html

Falling ratings,poor drama slate and a management in denial about the challenges the network faces, their big drama Reef Doctor is problematic to say the least, although not mentioned in the article the script is rumoured to be poor and clunky and Ten has allegedly ordered rewrites and reshoots. And have any of you viewed 'Being Lara Bingle' a reality show about a blonde brain dead moron model who is a tv identity not a personality, the network deserves death for that crud according to Aussie mates.

Channel 5 will need to keep an eye on this, if TEN goes under they may loose Neighbours. Its like ITV is behaving exactly like some on this forum think it is.

Anyone know when Last Tango in Halifax airs - I keep seeing trails but they don't actually say when it's on.

Its not their drama slate thats the problem, its evertything else. Both entertainment shows I will survive and everyone dance now were appalling and have been axed/reduced. Apart from Masterchef they have nothing substantial to anchor the schedule and nothing in the pipeline. While Nine have bought the rights to The Great British Bakeoff format, Ten have invested in Come Date with Me, and whereas 7 O'clock could be a food slot every week they've allowed Seven to get in with My Kitchen Rules(which is largely a paired version of Come Dine With Me), and Nine to get bakeoff. Biggest Loser is past its sell by date, but its better than nothing in the first cycle of the year, but they have nothing for the third cycle. They passed on re-buying Big Brother and allowed it to go to Nine, despite the fact that right now, 900,000-1.1m a night is exactly what Ten needs. They've made a big point of Super Sundays and allowed it to be filled with comedy repeats ultimately damaging the brand. They tried two scripted reality series, whoch together totalled 10 hours screen time, Bingle and The Shire were not the problem, they were untried formats on FTA television and ultimately didn't work. The Shire had too many unlikeable moany characters, the problem with Bingle is she is disliked because of the Michael Clarke thing (it wasn't a bad programme at all). Seven are trying the same with Brynne Edlestein, who is married to a sugar daddy and appeared on the same series of DWTS as Bingle, so will be interesting to see how that fares, considering Seven are fast tracking Once Upon a Time I think its likely a dud and will be starting in a 9.30, rather than 7.30/8.30 slot. Ten's other main problem is no AFL or NRL rights, as Tim Worner CEO of Seven said in a recent interview Carlton vs Collingwood will be getting the same ratings in 5 years time, will the Voice, No. As both rights packages have been sorted in the last 12-18 months iit could be a long wait for Ten. SBS have some soccer rights (plus it doesn't airs in Spring/Summer so not as attractive), same with the Australian Open and Cricket they are on in a non-ratings period. Ten have Formula One rights, but they are mainly iring in times suiitable for a European/American market, not an Australian market ie. late on Sunday nights. So the oonly sports rights for Ten worth getting are the V8s who are supposed to be looking at a few primetime fixtures, but again they are nowhere near as big as the two football codes.

I'm unsure if Reef Doctors is delayed because it is rubbish or because there is nothing else in the schedule to give it a boost. Puberty Blues which has good acclaim is only getting 700,000. Offspring with a Masterchef lead in got 900,000, so perhaps Ten are just waiting to give it the best chance possible.


Neighbours is owned by fremantle and not Ten though I think. I would also suspect Five are paying more for it than Ten are, in that case it would be up to Five to decide whether they still want it. If Ten went under (which I still think is some way off), Neighbours could still go to ABC, SBS, 7Two, GO! or Foxtel, at a fraction of the price, provided Five pay the bulk/all of the cost. Its a question of whether 1.5m viewers split across two showings is enough for Channel Five. Nothing has ever rated as well at 6.30 as Family Affairs but the cost may just be too high

There have been trailers for Last Tango In Halifax? I've not seen any.

Would Neighbours really be a big los to Five, someone posted the soaps demos the other day, and what was quite striking was how old both Home & Away and Neighbours skewed, I would have thought that the appeal was that even though they rate low they appealed to a good demo, but the demos are not advertiser friendly in the slightest.

Could BBC 1 do something daring on Sundays like:

6 Countryfile
7 SCDR
7.30 Last Tango
8.30 AR
9.30 Marr/Palin
10.30 News
10.45 MOTD


Would ITV be happy with TXF at 8 and DA at 9?

As for Ripper St, that has Monday written all over it. So what if it will finish on Christmas Eve? BBC1 has in recent years led with Casualty or an HIGNFY compilation. If its a hit, no problem at all. If it flops, they can shunt it past 10pm for the last episode, or on a different day completely.

ITV would probably just put a Coronation Street on at 7.30.

I didn't see that post, so don't know how bad the demos are, but I'm pretty sure bar extending the news to an hour, there is nothing Five could replace it with to get similar ratings. Plus they have 1.5m eyeballs every day seeing promos for other programmes. But yes I suspect for what it costs Five, neighbours would not be worth it

Ten, this year, tried to be more than just the Masterchef network. While that sounded promising, when your lineup consists of reality shows that are already used and overdone, it is bound for failure. I Will Survive was the only promising show amongst all of them. So, by trucking shitload of reality shows, trying to prove that the network can be successful not only based on a megahit reality show, is just a huge slap in the face to the advertisers and the viewers.

With their local dramas, I think they are holding Reef Doctors until 2013, primarily because they want to focus on fast-tracking US shows first. Puberty Blues attracting 700k from a very low I Will Survive's 250k is hugely impressive for an audience building. That being said, their numbers are also planking down because of the shitty lead-in. Here's an idea. If Ten wants to be more than just a Masterchef network and taken seriously, why don't they make more scripted shows? Offspring is hugely successful and although I am happy that they got a two-season renewal, it doesn't hurt to expand their next season to 22-24 episodes from the usual 13 (Rush was the last Ten drama to have 22 episodes for a season). Just goes to show what happens when you invest all that money into stupid reality shows. Reef Doctors are at a point where if they debut now, they will sink to the bottom. Might as well start on a fresh year.

Ten really f&*ked up this year. Their Super Sunday lineup early this year was bold and diverse. From my memory, they were Young Talent Time, Modern Family, New Girl and some drama. They did well the first few weeks (getting around 1m to 1.3m), but Young Talent Time were not able to hold on to their audiences. Some blamed the crap ratings from Sunday's 30-minute edition of The Project that led into this. Their Sunday line-up deteriorates and now is full of repeats.

They also treated US imports badly as well (although Nine are worse offenders at that, Seven just "burns" most imports by airing double episodes. Sometimes, they air a new episode then an old one which made little to no sense). I know that US networks takes a break, but at least their pattern is usually 10 episodes in autumn, 4 between Jan-Feb, then 8-10 (depending on the network's order) from mid-March to May. Ten airs about 3-4 episodes at start of ratings year, then go into repeat mode for a couple of months before starting to premiere new ones again, then the pattern repeats itself. It's even more frustrating when the network does not advertise the new episodes properly, as I have mentioned several times.

Bottom line: less reality shows, start on time (that also goes for Seven and Nine) and repeat less, much less.

If anything that would boost ITV, Last Tango is a pretty standard Northern relationship drama about two old people falling in love. Don't see why it would get such a slot and I could see it only weakening BBC ONE's night.
Condisering they didn't give the slot to the more suitable 'The Paradise' I would be pretty surprised to see them give it to the Last Tango.

Also Strictly will be 45 mins as the Dance off is returning.


I have never seen any. I don't think they even advertised it during the Olympics.

Perhaps Tango will air at 2.15pm weekdays during the Christmas holidays?

13 episodes is fine, I for one prefer how Seven have been airing Rafters, 17 epsiodes in a year is more than enough. 22 episodes fails to make something must see TV.

Super Sunday was YTT, New Girl, Modern Family and Homeland. Even when YTT struggled and moved Biggest Loser came in and pushed 1million most weeks. Touch replaced Homeland and tanked. New Girl struggled as the year went on. Modern Family seemed to rate better in repeats on Mondays/Tuesdays at 8. In a couple of weeks Ten will be abe to show Merlin at 6.30 and Homeland at 8.30 and no doubt draft in 2 cmedies at 7.30 so at lest Sundays shouldn't be too bad. Merlin doesn't rate brilliantly but it will be better than what they have now.

With regards American shows all networks are poor with them, but Seven seems to be not so bad. For all those worrying about Dallas' figures on Channel Five, consider the fact that in Australia on Nine the first week it aired at 9 on the Wednesday, the next week it had 2 episodes from 9.30, the next week 1 episode at 10pm and it has never been seen again. Not even shafted off to Go/Gem. Ten have only just showed the last two episodes of Hawaii 50, Long since the rest of the series aired. To be fair to Seven, they stuck with their underwhelming Thursday schedule earlier this year, and the only shows they've messed around are Smash (already aired on Foxtel and rated very poor) and GCB which was axed in the US. Criminal Minds/Bones/Castle change days regularly but at least they largely keep the 8.30 slot.

And running shows late is not the reason Ten are doing so poorly. Seven are atrocious with it, and it never seems to affect them

I think it will be the more reliable schedule of:

5.45pm BBC News
6.15 Countryfile
7.15 Strictly Results
8.00 Antiques Roadshow
9.00 Marr/Ripper Street

I reckon Michael Palin's Brazil will be Wednesdays after WDYTYA.

I also think Last Tango in Halifax will be on Tuesdays once The Paradise is finished. Although how they schedule The Secret of Cretchley Hall and Shetland is beyond me!

So, their Super Sunday lineup might be something like this, should their fast-tracking start in October:

6:30pm Merlin
7:30pm Modern Family
8pm The New Normal
8:30pm Homeland
9:30pm Car Racing (F1, Grand Prix etc.)

If the fast-tracking does happen, would they continue even after the rating season finishes at the end of November (which would apply to Modern Family and The New Normal) or would they stop and resume in February? As for New Girl, they might slot it in for one of the weeknight slots.

Agreed and investing heavily in reality formats has hardly hurt Nine either.


Really? The Voice and My kitchen rules are hardly original formats. I will survive should never have been commissioned in the first place.

Nothing from last night yet it seems maybe ratings were really low?

That schedule is about the best Ten can do right now on Sundays. It depends how Fast Tracked programmes are, if its in the same week, there is no reason why Ten shouldn't show a couple of episodes in early December, but really I can't see it happening, the ratings season is too important to Ten right now, I don't think they've beaten ABC in a week since the end of the Olympics, and that has to end soon for them. The only series that will play out until its conclusion is Merlin.

I know that. I was just venting my anger at how poor Ten's midseason line-up was. To put a show like Don't Tell The Bride at 7:30pm really says a lot about how much the network has fallen. While it is true that Seven and Nine's investments worked out well for their reality shows, Ten's choices were just beyond horrible. Plus, like I said, it frustrated me how Ten only focussed on reality shows and didn't pay enough attention to scripted shows.

Given how poorly the new Normal is doing in the US (against zero opposition) I would think giving it that slot would be pretty ridiculous.

The thing is last year at this time Seven were showing Worlld's Strictest Parents and Beauty and The Geek on Wednesdays and Thursdays at 7.30. Which is no worse than Ten showing Don't Tell the Bride. But whereas for some Seven is a default channel a bit like the BBC in the UK, Ten needs something to attract viewers e.g. Idol, BB, Masterchef.

And in terms of scripted shows I think Ten are the best of the networks, this year Seven have only showed original drama on Tuesdays at 8.30, yes they have two successful shows but there is no diversity, Ten have the most diverse slate, but probably just a little too niche with it.

Ten are just unlucky that people don't always defaut to them, I'm probably guilty of defauting to Seven because most of the time (at least Sundays-Wednesdays) there is something at least watchable. Beyond the News and the Project (which they doo a lot better than the trashy and lowest-common denominator 6-7pm hour on Seven and Nine), I don't know what is worth watching on TEN.

Yet saying that Ten are unlucky at times they really don't help themselves. They have bought Trollied from Sky1 which is far enough, but then they are airing it as of Thursday 27th September, so you think great Ten are going to stop repeating Jamie Oliver at 7.30, but no they go and put it on at 11.45pm, what is the point? They could have at least put it out on a Friday or Saturday (like an idiot abroad)

Overnights are delayed. Will be out this afternoon apparently.