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Old 06-12-2004, 17:22
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With all the negative talk about EE this past year and everyone seemingly waxing lyrical about how fantastic the show used to be, I think it is time people took off their rose tinted glasses.

While I am not saying that 2004 hasn't been a bad year for EE, the 18 previous years saw some truly awful storylines, many more really crap characters and some really bad acting to match anything that happened this year.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:24
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The same could be said for Corrie 2004 is the only year in the past 20 that it has been any good.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
The same could be said for Corrie 2004 is the only year in the past 20 that it has been any good.
That's all a matter of opinion, of course

I think that EastEnders's biggest problem this year has been that the storylines have been poor on a whole - not just one or two dispersed between many other excellent stories.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:27
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
The same could be said for Corrie 2004 is the only year in the past 20 that it has been any good.
I doubt you'll be taken seriously again with that comment (that's if anyone DID take you seriously to begin with)...
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:29
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Originally Posted by pconno1
I doubt you'll be taken seriously again with that comment (that's if anyone DID take you seriously to begin with)...

Well should the OP be taken seriously then? has EE had awful storys for a full 19 years? the answer is no and Most people will agree.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
Well should the OP be taken seriously then? has EE had awful storys for a full 19 years? the answer is no and Most people will agree.
I think the key word in the Original Poster's post is "some"

Of course there will have been some poor storylines, just the same way that there will have been some bad storylines in Coronation Street - although I see that you fail to omit "some" from your post
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:33
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Please lets not turn this into a EE versus Corrie thread - back to the original point, eh, guys?!
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:39
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I see the point you are trying to make PaulDA and it is a very vaild one but like I said in my original reply EastEnders, IMO, has been spectacularly poor this year due to everything coming around at once so to speak.

Every soap has bad storylines from time to time, but it's just that with a full run of continuously poor episodes the whole show ends up seeming to be poor, as opposed to one or two poor storylines adequately dispersed between good ones.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:41
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And the point of this thread being...?

Why do I have a short memory? :yawn:
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Huch'net
And the point of this thread being...?

Why do I have a short memory? :yawn:

LOL I have no idea what the OP is trying to achieve by this thread . :yawn:
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
LOL I have no idea what the OP is trying to achieve by this thread . :yawn:
He is trying to say that there have always been poor storylines from time to time, not just in 2004
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:43
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I agree with you Ben - everything seems to have come crashing down at once this year and had their been some really strong storylines this year, then we might have forgiven the bad ones, but alas their weren't

Storylines aside though, what about really bad characters and really bad acting - that's been happening since the start but I guess each person will have their different views on 'bad characters'
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:44
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Originally Posted by PaulDA
With all the negative talk about EE this past year and everyone seemingly waxing lyrical about how fantastic the show used to be, I think it is time people took off their rose tinted glasses.

While I am not saying that 2004 hasn't been a bad year for EE, the 18 previous years saw some truly awful storylines, many more really crap characters and some really bad acting to match anything that happened this year.
if you are going to make a statement like that - atleast back it up with examples (of the 'crap' storylines)

or was the statement made to stir up trouble on here?

for Example - EastEnders has been truly awful this past year - with the kidneygate, The shannis/Zonnis rubbish.......
Andy being the worlds worst wannabe gangster!
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:45
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Do you remember Andy and Debbies kittens (Starsky and Hutch) and one went missing - now THAT was gripping!
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Early Bird
if you are going to make a statement like that - atleast back it up with examples (of the 'crap' storylines)

or was the statement made to stir up trouble on here?

for Example - EastEnders has been truly awful this past year - with the kidneygate, The shannis/Zonnis rubbish.......
Andy being the worlds worst wannabe gangster!

I agree with everything you have said.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:45
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I do see the point you're making PaulDA, but the problem has been that in the last 18 months there's been very few redeaming features about EE. For every Chrissie and Jane that's joined there's been a Juley or Spencer. Before, yes of course there were bad storylines and bad actors (Pete Beale anyone ), but there was enough going on and enough interest in other storylines and actors who were extremely good for this not too distract too much. Much of the storyline over the last year or so has been either incredibly lazy (just how long can they drag out Shannis?) or relying too much on the "explosive" and "spectacular" which so far seems to always backfire badly.

In previous years the writing on EE was solid, well crafted and engrossing, sadly not something you can say about many episodes lately.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:46
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Please will users stop crying "troublemaker" either add to the discussion or put us on ignore.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:46
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Originally Posted by Jamesessex69
Do you remember Andy and Debbies kittens (Starsky and Hutch) and one went missing - now THAT was gripping!
I can remember Shirley and her cat :yawn: my god that was bad
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Benc533
He is trying to say that there have always been poor storylines from time to time, not just in 2004
That's every soap, I don't think any other soap have had success after success that EastEnders had from when it started in 1985 to last year.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Agent Krycek
I do see the point you're making PaulDA, but the problem has been that in the last 18 months there's been very few redeaming features about EE. For every Chrissie and Jane that's joined there's been a Juley or Spencer. Before, yes of course there were bad storylines and bad actors (Pete Beale anyone ), but there was enough going on and enough interest in other storylines and actors who were extremely good for this not too distract too much. Much of the storyline over the last year or so has been either incredibly lazy (just how long can they drag out Shannis?) or relying too much on the "explosive" and "spectacular" which so far seems to always backfire badly.

In previous years the writing on EE was solid, well crafted and engrossing, sadly not something you can say about many episodes lately.
Yeah I agree with you Agent K, like I said previously there has always been plenty more good storylines to make any poor ones hardly recognisable, it is only this year with things like you say about lazy and "explosive" writing that EE has suffered.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:48
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Originally Posted by Benc533
He is trying to say that there have always been poor storylines from time to time, not just in 2004
Poor storylines, poor acting and poor characters. As well as great storylines, great acting and great characters. The only difference with 2004 is that all the bad stuff has come at once!
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:48
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Originally Posted by Huch'net
That's every soap, I don't think any other soap have had success after success that EastEnders had from when it started in 1985 to last year.

Very True all the others soaps always had dips EE only ever had the one this year.
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Benc533
Please will users stop crying "troublemaker" either add to the discussion or put us on ignore.
BenC -
I was simply making a valid point -
that if people are going to make a statement like that, then they should have details/evidence to back it up!

however - you and I both know that some people have come on here in the past months to cause trouble! - and used alias's....... (and they know who they are)
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Huch'net
That's every soap, I don't think any other soap have had success after success that EastEnders had from when it started in 1985 to last year.
Yes and if you read back I have stated that this does apply to all soaps.

Originally Posted by Benc533
Every soap has bad storylines from time to time
No one is saying that EastEnders didn't have success after success, all that this thread is saying is that probably for every 3 brilliant storylines there was one poor one
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Old 06-12-2004, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
Very True all the others soaps always had dips EE only ever had the one this year.
Exactly, EastEnders has remained very constant through most of it's short history and made history in the process. EastEnders had an impact on the nation and still continues to do so arguably more so than any other soap. Even in its current state its still attracting 11 million viewers.
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