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Old 07-09-2012, 16:04
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EastEnders | Friday 7th September 2012 | Episode Discussion Thread
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BBC One/BBC HD 20:00
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Phil & Shirley - its the end of the road...

its been 5 years since they first met. they've been friends & lovers. It's been complicated and it hasn't been really clear just how genuine phil was.(since they got together) and finally last night was the big conclusion for their story - he loved her enough not to drink.

As friends it was simple - he went to her when he needed a friend after he found out Stella abused Ben they got drunk together and had fun. He was there for her when Deano left and when she had a cancer scare. She'd always fancied him and he liked her - they had chemistry. She fell for him hard and after he brought her to the hospital she told him she wanted him but he turned her down so she tried to move on and went out with Vinnie. They stayed friends but it was always clear they had something. He was embarrassed for having romantic feelings for her. Heather pushed him later that year and told him shirley was in love with him if he felt the same way he'd stop her from going. It lead to them first sleeping together and it was very passionate. It got too complicated for Phil - he only wanted to be her friend and nothing more. He wasn't ready for a serious relationship after Stella (hence suzy) they got together when he was drunk being drunk made it easy he could be with the woman he liked but not be in a complicated/serious relationship - it didn't last long when she got fed up of it.

On NYE 2009 he tried to stop her when she thought he killed Archie - he kissed her yes he was drunk but his old feelings for her came back and he soon stopped drinking. He did use her but he still liked her. When Ben assumed they were a serious couple he moved out. They weren't really together properly it was very casual and nothing too serious. After the live ep he chased her and they got together on 16th March 2010. It was still quite casual and he liked it - he wanted to be with her and treated her with respect.

They moved in together for louise and thats when it got too serious for phil - things went downhill from there. He used her, generally treated her crap lied to her and chucked her out. They had some good scenes during his drug stuff but they weren't together when he was with Rainie (i dont understand why people think they were ) he used her again after this but he never once drank again.he had the affair with Glenda but did treat her a bit better generally. Hated it when glenda slagged her off. He dumped her after he proposed to shirley - he felt guilty for the affair (IMO he showed signs of this during the affair when shirley had asked him where he'd been etc) After their non-wedding ep they were finally in a serious committed relationship and although he was still horrible sometimes he was generally better at being faithful - of course when a pretty woman like Rainie comes along again he'd find it hard to resist but he regretted it soon after. They had passion but he still found it hard to show affection

I'm not going to post their whole life story and every detail as that would take forever. I think generally the heather story was good for what it was at the start - it kind of all went downhill from July but i liked the way they built them up to the obvious return (sharon) she was bored of her life and wanted some excitement - on the vic roof everything came together and he was happy. Sharon had been in the background of their relationship for the 3 years they were together. She knew sharon used to be a big thing for phil and knew she was a "pretty blonde" that he'd find it hard to resist. she knew as soon as sharon came back that it could be the end. Seeing Sharon again is what made it so final that he could move on from her and be happy with Shirley. Of course he did feel something for Sharon but he knew Shirley was better for him in the long run.

As a fan...

for me being a fan of them its been hard - if i had the choice i would've chosen not to be a fan of them (of course i'd still be a fan of Linda but not phil/shirley) the first year (2008) was amazing. i liked them instantly when shirley told him she wanted him i mostly liked it from the way phil reacted and their chemistry. If that year hadn't happened i don't think id have become so obsessed. They just had something for me - i've been a fan of quite a lot of couples in different shows but these two had something different. They were complex and interesting. Generally most couples i liked were not that interesting and were just basic love stories with no edge to them. They were a bit ruined with having it far too complicated - they would've been a lot better had it been clear what Phil's motives were from the start but i guess they wouldn't have been so complex had it been so simple. I think as characters they needed closure also. Shirley never thought he loved her or never believed him but last night i think part of her did. Now she can move on from him. Their drinking is the kind of relationship that would end so badly but somehow they got through it and now they have closure the kind of closure i wanted after so long waiting. That one line is the kind of thing id been waiting for something that tied up everything. Phil has to look out for himself but he is thinking about what shirley needs aswell. As a fan with strong views after last night thats my final view/closure on them no matter what happens now. As Santer once said "they are a couple that would never make it...."

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i dont want phil moving on quickly i think they will always have love between them but i think they need time apart and moving on with other people. I think there's a lot more scope for storylines with phil/shirley/sharon i hope this isn't the end of those 3 and although i dont want phil/shirley together any time soon i think they don't need to get back together for them to have storylines etc maybe in a few years if Linda is still around and phil has developed as a character and been redeemed. id like to think they could end up as a couple who could grow old together & be happy but it depends what the producers want at the time etc i think im too much of a romantic not to want to see them together and properly it would be a nice change to see phil genuinely happy with her whenever he deserves it he deserves nothing now.

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Sorry if this was a bit much but id appreciate it if people read it as there has been quite a lot of debates and stuff etc you dont have to agree but as the end it is time that i think the debates/arguments etc will probably slow down and not be so big although it is a bit long so might take forever to read lol

and im done longest thread ive ever made... i think i probably could've worded that better with better descriptions etc but i dont have long lol
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:07
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Afternoon. Thanks Mona
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:08
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:10
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Great thread Mona. I can tell this will be a big episode.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:10
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Looking forward to tonight. Pete Lawson's episodes are always a treat.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:11
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Wow! How long did it take you to make this thread!
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:14
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just edited a bit more in there. it didnt take long really jsut a couple of hours. usually it doesnt take me long to type something up but didnt want that to be the same old debate etc
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:15
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Good thread! Mona, I can picture you as a 112 year old sitting in front of the fire in a nursing home still arguing about whether Phil loved Shirley or not
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:16
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Good thread! Mona, I can picture you as a 112 year old sitting in front of the fire in a nursing home still arguing about whether Phil loved Shirley or not
lol noo generally i move on quite quickly from couples i like although as i said these two were quite different. as long as its done right and doesn't backtrack it'll be fine
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:17
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Bring on Phil and Sharon when all this dust settles! I have to say I prefer episode threads which talk about all the stories going on in that episode not just one but there you go.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:20
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Thanks Mona, hope you have fun tonight! I agree with yo up to the oint that they are complex but you know my views
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:21
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Thanks Mona, hope you have fun tonight! I agree with yo up to the oint that they are complex but you know my views
they are complex might be big or small but they are definitely complex
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:26
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Complex I agree with I mean ultimately, Phil could love her. I think he cares for her but doesn't love her
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:27
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Complex I agree with I mean ultimately, Phil could love her. I think he cares for her but doesn't love her
last night to me was the conclusion to their s/l for so long. its the only conclusion. they wouldnt drag something like that for so long if it came to nothing. that was the conclusion theres nothing more to be said.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:30
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You dont think that they will reunite then
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:31
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You dont think that they will reunite then
not anytime soon. phil doesnt deserve to be happy and they need to be with other people
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:32
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when Shirley returns, i want her to continue are friendship with Denise and Jean.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:33
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not anytime soon. phil doesnt deserve to be happy and they need to be with other people
I actually agree with you, but I have this horrible feeling that the Sharon/Jack romance is going to end up as a love triangle with Phil and he will get back with her....Shirley will probably return right in the middle when Phil gets with Sharon....would be interesting if Shirley brought someone back herself though...
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when Shirley returns, i want her to continue are friendship with Denise and Jean.
she needs a big storyline to return with - she cant just come back and be in the background doing nothing. i dont want a big revenge storyline though
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I actually agree with you, but I have this horrible feeling that the Sharon/Jack romance is going to end up as a love triangle with Phil and he will get back with her....Shirley will probably return right in the middle when Phil gets with Sharon....would be interesting if Shirley brought someone back herself though...
thats what i think that he will be getting with sharon when shirley comes back making it all complicated for him but after sharon id like to see him with someone else like the type of woman shirley was not his usual type etc just to see how he would be in a relationship with someone like that i think it'd be interesting
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when Shirley returns, i want her to continue are friendship with Denise and Jean.
Yes! Shirley and Jean are great!! Plus love her scenes with Denise!
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she needs a big storyline to return with - she cant just come back and be in the background doing nothing. i dont want a big revenge storyline though
i just want the friendship to continue and not be forgotten, and she can still have those friendship and also have SLs.
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:37
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thats what i think that he will be getting with sharon when shirley comes back making it all complicated for him but after sharon id like to see him with someone else like the type of woman shirley was not his usual type etc just to see how he would be in a relationship with someone like that i think it'd be interesting
Yeah I think Shirley should just laugh at Phil if he tries to get her back when she returns. I guess I'm glad that Shirley will make peace with Carly because it means the writers can take her character in a new direction...bringing Deano and Tina in at some point would be good for her too....

I only really hated her when she was with Phil because she treated some people like dirt, but hopefully she will change when she returns.
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i just want the friendship to continue and not be forgotten, and she can still have those friendship and also have SLs.
yeah i agree with that i do like how denise and jean look out for her. just hope its proper development and they dont have her like how she treated heather. id like to see their friendships tested and what she'd do for them
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Old 07-09-2012, 16:40
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Yeah I think Shirley should just laugh at Phil if he tries to get her back when she returns. I guess I'm glad that Shirley will make peace with Carly because it means the writers can take her character in a new direction...bringing Deano and Tina in at some point would be good for her too....

I only really hated her when she was with Phil because she treated some people like dirt, but hopefully she will change when she returns.
i dont think he'd try to do anything. i think he'd have a lot more respect for her now because she's walked away and wants to move on. she's not being weak in not going back to him. although my preferred return s/l would be him going to see her and realizing he can't be with her so stays with sharon. dont want phil/sharon being predictable
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