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Old 12-10-2014, 13:22
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Has anybody noticed more banned breeds about these days ?

I came across what I'm sure was a Dogo Argentino in my local park the other day, i wasn't aware what it was at the time.
It was a very intimidating, scary looking dog, and when I asked the owner what breed it was he tried giving me some guff about it being a Neapolitan Mastiff, then he started stuttering and walked off when i told him it wasn't.
It was only when I got home that i identified it with the help of the Internet.
Apart from just looking scary, the dog wasn't acting in an aggressive way at all and seemed under control, but it was unleashed and unmuzzled.
Should I report it if i come across it again ?
I'm not sure how I feel about BSL.

I have also come across numerous dogs which could be put bulls, but identifying pits is nearly impossible with all the similar looking breeds and crosses available.

Has anyone else come across banned breeds ?
And did you do anything about it ?
Or should we judge a dog on its actions not its breed ?
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Old 12-10-2014, 13:45
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A dogo? Very surprising, they're very rare - magnificent dogs, but a truly scary proposition in the wrong hands. Are you sure it wasn't the larger style of American Bulldog? I know people who've been confused that way before.
Bsl is ridiculous and largely unworkable, every case should be judged individually.
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:08
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I doubt it was Dogo more likely an American bulldog.

As for Dogos being scary no scarier than any other medium to large dog in the wrong hands, Dogos have a friendlier reputation than the Presas and they are legal so are the Cane corsos.

The ban is pointless as it was based on dog to dog agression not dog to human aggression anyhow
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:12
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I doubt it was Dogo more likely an American bulldog.

As for Dogos being scary no scarier than any other medium to large dog in the wrong hands, Dogos have a friendlier reputation than the Presas and they are legal so are the Cane corsos.

The ban is pointless as it was based on dog to dog agression not dog to human aggression anyhow
Your second point there is slightly incorrect. A Dogo will fight to the death against anything. A corso in particular will back down if it feels overmatched.
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:20
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Keep in mind that some dangerous breed types can be kept legally as long as they're registered on the IED and kept accordingly. Although if this dog wasn't muzzled, they're breaching that rule as well....
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:28
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I knew as soon as the legislation was announced it couldn't work, a rescue I was involved in at the time was keeping pit puppies at safe houses rather than give them up. I left as soon as I found out and last time I heard from them I realised they had 2 litters of Tosas in a barn waiting to be found homes. All the dogs were described as other breeds hoping they could be rehomed and not spotted as banned.

With people willing to break the law regarding dogs they thought were safe then it could never work.

I don't like the legislation it should be based on aggression but then I do wonder who really needs a Tosa, or a pit or a dogo ? Do we really need some breeds in family homes ?
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:40
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Your second point there is slightly incorrect. A Dogo will fight to the death against anything. A corso in particular will back down if it feels overmatched.
and you have drawn this distinction how? Or have you seen many breeds in matches to the death? Dogs are all individual they have breed traits but most dogs it depends on breeding, socialisation and training.

There is no real difference in the amount of damage a presa, a cane corso or a dogo could do to you they could all end you, however dogos tend to be more owner orientated like Rotties
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:41
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I knew as soon as the legislation was announced it couldn't work, a rescue I was involved in at the time was keeping pit puppies at safe houses rather than give them up. I left as soon as I found out and last time I heard from them I realised they had 2 litters of Tosas in a barn waiting to be found homes. All the dogs were described as other breeds hoping they could be rehomed and not spotted as banned.

With people willing to break the law regarding dogs they thought were safe then it could never work.

I don't like the legislation it should be based on aggression but then I do wonder who really needs a Tosa, or a pit or a dogo ? Do we really need some breeds in family homes ?
some people like large breeds there are other options sure, but are they any more or less dangerous?
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:43
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I don't like the legislation it should be based on aggression but then I do wonder who really needs a Tosa, or a pit or a dogo ? Do we really need some breeds in family homes ?
Who needs a yorkshire terrier? Or a beagle? Or an ovcharka? it's nothing to do with need, it's about having a choice.
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Old 12-10-2014, 14:46
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and you have drawn this distinction how? Or have you seen many breeds in matches to the death? Dogs are all individual they have breed traits but most dogs it depends on breeding, socialisation and training.

There is no real difference in the amount of damage a presa, a cane corso or a dogo could do to you they could all end you, however dogos tend to be more owner orientated like Rotties
I haven't, thankfully. I'm just going on what some of my neighbours in San Francisco told me when I used to live there. I'm fairly sure they knew what they were talking about, too.
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Old 12-10-2014, 15:24
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I knew as soon as the legislation was announced it couldn't work, a rescue I was involved in at the time was keeping pit puppies at safe houses rather than give them up. I left as soon as I found out and last time I heard from them I realised they had 2 litters of Tosas in a barn waiting to be found homes. All the dogs were described as other breeds hoping they could be rehomed and not spotted as banned.

With people willing to break the law regarding dogs they thought were safe then it could never work.

I don't like the legislation it should be based on aggression but then I do wonder who really needs a Tosa, or a pit or a dogo ? Do we really need some breeds in family homes ?
I would say that in the main that the people who have them are the very people who shouldn't have them.
I think BSL is ridiculous and leads to some awful cases where people have family dogs and have no idea that they are banned breeds but the way dogs are being used for fighting and as weapons is dreadful and those people should be PTS not the dogs.
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Old 12-10-2014, 16:23
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Who needs a yorkshire terrier? Or a beagle? Or an ovcharka? it's nothing to do with need, it's about having a choice.
Very few yorkies will ever be able to kill a human, the dogs who can and sometimes do are not needed in family homes IMO and are not wanted nor should they be chosen in society.
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Old 12-10-2014, 16:25
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I would say that in the main that the people who have them are the very people who shouldn't have them.
I think BSL is ridiculous and leads to some awful cases where people have family dogs and have no idea that they are banned breeds but the way dogs are being used for fighting and as weapons is dreadful and those people should be PTS not the dogs.
I agree with you. The dogs we all chose do say something about us I think, most people want safe friendly dogs they can trust. They are not the dogs others who chose these breeds want though.
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Old 12-10-2014, 17:15
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I agree with you. The dogs we all chose do say something about us I think, most people want safe friendly dogs they can trust. They are not the dogs others who chose these breeds want though.
I know, let's ban everything someone might be scared of.
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Old 12-10-2014, 18:00
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I agree with you. The dogs we all chose do say something about us I think, most people want safe friendly dogs they can trust. They are not the dogs others who chose these breeds want though.
I trust (relatively as dogs are sentient) a dog that is trained, socialised and good natured. Most such dogs fitting that have been Staffies from my experience.

I feel I know enough about dogs to assess a dog's body posture and behaviour. I would kneel down to the dog's level and offer my hand at distance. Of course if the dog barks or growls as you approach it's best to leave them alone. (Only if you are going to have regular contact with the dog would I consider slow introductions. Otherwise you are just going to stress the dog out without following through which can only increase the dog's aggression and fear)
If the dog openly shows scent interest in my hand I would get my hand closer. If the dog's posture is relaxed and their is no lip licking then I would gently try to stroke the dog on the head. The dog will either shy away, lean in or be indifferent. A dog that shy's away I just say something nice to them and walk off. This gives the dog something semi positive to digest without pressuring them. If the dog leans in to the stroking and continues to be relaxed and showing no stress signals like the licking than the dog is 99% going to be fine and happy. If the dog is indifferent. I would continue slow gentle strokes for a bit then say my goodbyes.

Tail wagging is another sign to watch for. A wagging tail does not mean a happy friendly dog. But generally with a relaxed demeanor and a butt wiggle the dog is likely to be friendly.

In short:

1. Don't approach growling or barking dogs
2. Look for lip licking and eye avoiding
3. Get down to the dog's level and assess with a hand at distance to see if dog shows scent interest.
4. Keep meeting brief and pleasant with dog you are unsure with/unsure dog
5. Don't assume a wagging tail alone is a sign of friendliness
6. Children should NEVER approach a strange dog without asking the owner first as a dog may show the above signs with an adult but may have fear of children.
7. Never overstay your welcome with a strange dog
8. Make the introduction pleasant so the dog does not develop behavioural issues from bad experiences.
9. Judge on behaviours not on looks.

10. Ummm back to why I was replying to this post. A friendly dog is not defined by it's breed but by it's behaviours and upbringing. I have found Staffies to be the most easy going breeds that are easy to say hello to. It has been Lab crosses, small dogs, Collies and a Basset Hound that have shown the least positive reactions to my approach.
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Old 12-10-2014, 19:38
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I don't doubt some small dogs can be most bitey however faced with a staffiexmastiff as we were I would happily ban the dog - scary didn't cover it and it could kill (will I predict). The people who own it think having a little Chihuahua is somehow less than manly for the husband, I see my husband as more manly for being so gentle with our Chihuahua than I would if he felt the need to walk that monster !

Nothing will convince me a dog that can kill is as safe as a tiny dog, nothing.
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Old 12-10-2014, 22:50
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I don't doubt some small dogs can be most bitey however faced with a staffiexmastiff as we were I would happily ban the dog - scary didn't cover it and it could kill (will I predict). The people who own it think having a little Chihuahua is somehow less than manly for the husband, I see my husband as more manly for being so gentle with our Chihuahua than I would if he felt the need to walk that monster !

Nothing will convince me a dog that can kill is as safe as a tiny dog, nothing.
I'm very sad to say it because I know a lot of bull breed dogs are wonderful, calm and gentle but I agree with you molliepops, it's the potential for doing serious harm that strong muscular dogs with such strong jaws have that's the worry. Yes a lot of small dogs are snappy and aggressive but they are less likely to kill, yes they can do damage but its not the same.
Maybe if you want a big powerful dog you should have to undergo training and prove you know how to be a responsible owner.
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Old 13-10-2014, 14:06
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Nothing will convince me a dog that can kill is as safe as a tiny dog, nothing.
Just because you're scared of big dogs it doesn't mean they should be banned.
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Old 13-10-2014, 15:17
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Just because you're scared of big dogs it doesn't mean they should be banned.
I am not scared of big dogs ! Just big dogs that can kill my dogs or me !
Some big dogs are fine others aren't.
Don't hear of many breeds killing really it's just a few who seem to do it and they need to be kept far away from civilised members of the public and their dogs. Why should we live in fear ? why did my dog spend last year of her life too afraid to go out the door after dark ? why allow people to make others live like that ?
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Old 13-10-2014, 15:36
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What big dog couldn't kill you?
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Old 13-10-2014, 15:54
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Pit types are everywhere, more common in this country than prior to 1991.

Dogos are usually white American Bulldogs.

It's pointless banning breeds, it drives them into the hands of irresponsible idiots.

Pit types especially, make exceptional family pets, if well bred and well treated, they are not supposed to be the huge monsters the media has led us to believe.

The only time I've come close to being bitten was by a yorkie!

People are very much misguided if they think only large breeds can cause serious, even fatal, injuries.... kids have been killed by poms, JRTs and Labradors.
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Old 13-10-2014, 16:08
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What big dog couldn't kill you?
Well bred , well cared for dogs, loved dogs, dogs treated kindly and not in the hands of irresponsible people. You know those dogs.

IME people who do all those things don't have killer dogs in their homes. First sign any of mine could kill they would be humanely PTS I will not put anyone in danger.

I have had biters (little ones) they never bit anyone because I was responsible. Until people can be as responsible with their dogs as I know I am with mine then they should not be allowed to keep them to kill people and other dogs.
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Old 13-10-2014, 17:41
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I might get flamed for this, but IMO, the common denominator in all these dog attacks is not the breed of dog, but the 'social standing/class' of the owner.
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Old 13-10-2014, 18:37
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I might get flamed for this, but IMO, the common denominator in all these dog attacks is not the breed of dog, but the 'social standing/class' of the owner.
You may be right but unless you ban those people we have to take the dogs out of the picture.
The dog that terrifies us here is owned by such people. this dog has bitten humans and nearly killed other dogs, is encouraged to chase cats. They put their small new born baby in a carrier on the back seat of their car and then put the dog in on the opposite side of the car and drive off quite unconcerned.
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Old 13-10-2014, 18:37
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Well bred , well cared for dogs, loved dogs, dogs treated kindly and not in the hands of irresponsible people. You know those dogs.

IME people who do all those things don't have killer dogs in their homes. First sign any of mine could kill they would be humanely PTS I will not put anyone in danger.

I have had biters (little ones) they never bit anyone because I was responsible. Until people can be as responsible with their dogs as I know I am with mine then they should not be allowed to keep them to kill people and other dogs.
Your first sentence makes perfect sense, the rest of it..........well. My 3 fall under your conditions of your first paragraph, but I'm sure you'd class them with the rest of your post. Unknowingly, you're practising your own form of BSL.
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