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Old 16-08-2015, 21:54
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No amount of emergency phone numbers, apps, or pendants will help if the person is unconscious, whether from a fall, stroke or other illness.

Alerting someone by not boiling the kettle - while not perfect, is a brilliant safeguard in those circumstances.
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Old 16-08-2015, 22:03
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It sounds a good idea, but if an old person lives alone how likely are they going to have WiFi and a router. Many people who are very old don't use computers and have no interest in Smart TV, etc...
It may work as a mobile phone and not use Wi-Fi (Unknown???)

The only thing that get over most hurdles but in itself has a built in hurdle is a system that monitors breathing and heart. (Not too difficult with todays technology) They wouldn't need to press anything BUT (and this is the major problem) if the alert goes straight through to the emergency services telling them that someone's heart has stopped, they will be brain-dead by the time they get there!
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Old 16-08-2015, 23:52
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I'm in the 'don't get it' of the three rings kettle thing.

My mum had a life line pendant. It didn't cost her a penny. The doctor sent off a letter and a man came out and fitted it. It's plugged into a landline so obviously you need a landline. You press the button, there's a box installed. The life line customer service asks if you're okay (I assume in case of accidental presses) if you're close to the box you can reply telling them it was accidental or telling them the problem. They call your designated number. You don't answer they call your designated number and the emergency services.

When my mother was alive it was far more reassuring than a random text once a day when she switched on the kettle. What if she got up and didn't fancy a cuppa or went out early with friends for breakfast?

As Peter said what if she had a fall going the loo at 2am then sits there waiting until her kids think oh mum hasn't switched on the kettle I best call and see if she's okay, if they think that. Not all children are particularly attentive, they could have an urgent meeting or be busy getting kids ready.

A life line means you fall, you press it your nominated numbers are alerted right away and if you don't answer when the life line people call the emergency services are sent around. So injured person is alone for a few minutes.

Not hours and hours whilst they wait for someone to twig they've not had their morning cuppa.

It has far far more floors than it had advantages.
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Old 17-08-2015, 00:11
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Deborah is getting more and more like Cruella De Vil the way she strokes her nails.
I'm getting sick of Deborah this series. She really thinks she's Queen Bee - sitting in the middle, playing with her nails and starts getting bitchy if anyone dare question her offer. She's really gotten on her high horse. Completely puts me off as at one time i thought she was decent. I think it's all gone to her head.

Even the way she said 'what did i do to you?' to the girl in the first pitch. I was like f*ck off!
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Old 17-08-2015, 02:48
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Sarah didn't look happy there, when they went with Peter
I think she was very disappointed.She spoke very passionately about getting the sauces into restaurants. But as other people have said another range of sauces going onto a shelf seems boring.
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Old 17-08-2015, 02:53
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Anyone else think Peter is an arsehole, a rich arsehole ............
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Old 17-08-2015, 04:05
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The 3rings thing costs an additional £12 a month to use (after purchase price unknown) and he has funded it on kickstarter. I think that's a bit expensive for something so simple.

The pendant thing around the neck seems a much better option for safety my gran had one.
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Old 17-08-2015, 04:08
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Anyone else think Peter is an arsehole, a rich arsehole ............
He is worth £450 million so he must be doing something right. I agree with a lot of what he says but perhaps he could be more personable at times. It must be frustrating having to deal with people coming in as if they know it all but are exposed to be completely incompetent and clueless.
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Old 17-08-2015, 05:21
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I think she was very disappointed.She spoke very passionately about getting the sauces into restaurants. But as other people have said another range of sauces going onto a shelf seems boring.
I felt a bit sorry for her. The entrepeneurs entering the den already know about Peter and Deborah and their track record. I think they were blinded by the Levi Roots success and as Peter says, it's a very difficult thing to market a new food product. Even with his help, it's going to be a struggle. I think Sarah was right about growing the brand from a restaurant business first, and she was very enthusiastic about it. I'd have bern annoyed if I'd been her. I hope she does open a Korean food restaurant!
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Old 17-08-2015, 09:07
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I'm in the 'don't get it' of the three rings kettle thing.

My mum had a life line pendant. It didn't cost her a penny. The doctor sent off a letter and a man came out and fitted it. It's plugged into a landline so obviously you need a landline. You press the button, there's a box installed. The life line customer service asks if you're okay (I assume in case of accidental presses) if you're close to the box you can reply telling them it was accidental or telling them the problem. They call your designated number. You don't answer they call your designated number and the emergency services.

When my mother was alive it was far more reassuring than a random text once a day when she switched on the kettle. What if she got up and didn't fancy a cuppa or went out early with friends for breakfast?

As Peter said what if she had a fall going the loo at 2am then sits there waiting until her kids think oh mum hasn't switched on the kettle I best call and see if she's okay, if they think that. Not all children are particularly attentive, they could have an urgent meeting or be busy getting kids ready.

A life line means you fall, you press it your nominated numbers are alerted right away and if you don't answer when the life line people call the emergency services are sent around. So injured person is alone for a few minutes.

Not hours and hours whilst they wait for someone to twig they've not had their morning cuppa.

It has far far more floors than it had advantages.
Last year my Nan had a fall and passed out in the early hours of the morning. She was there a fair while and my Mum only discovered her after she didn't answer her phone late morning.

It's cases like these, where the person is unconscious or unable to move that a device like this is useful.

My Nan had a pendant and an emergency number but as she was unconscious they were useless.

On the show, his Mum said she was paralysed and couldn't move.

Pendants and emergency phone numbers are great but I think this device is to tackle a different type of emergency and best used in conjunction with the existing technology.

Yes, as Peter said, there could be a delay as the person wouldn't be discovered until morning, but that's a lot better than not being discovered until that afternoon, or for days.
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Old 17-08-2015, 09:29
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Yes, as Peter said, there could be a delay as the person wouldn't be discovered until morning, but that's a lot better than not being discovered until that afternoon, or for days.
Exactly!! That was my point last night. It's not a 100% solution.. those don't exist (yet). But it's a safe guard that could catch *certain* scenarios such as the one you talked about there. And with it being as simple as something that sits between the kettle and the socket on the wall.. it seemed such an easy solution. Once fitted it's forgotten about.

The pitcher looked shell shocked when he walked away. Perhaps he went in far too confident or perhaps he was baffled that they didn't "get" the product. It's a shame because I like products in the Den that help people rather than just make money.
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Old 17-08-2015, 09:43
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But if hes a multimillionaire, why dosent he just invest in his own company?
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Old 17-08-2015, 13:27
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I can't help thinking the kettle thing was more about making the family member feel better than it was about the old persons health. If your mum is that old and frail, is it really that hard just to giver her a quick call in the morning? Just getting an automated message from the app is kind of soulless IMO. "Oh Mums up. No need to call her." and before long she's plugging the kettle into a different socket because she hasn't heard from you. And if that happens enough then you'll start ignoring that you've not had the notification rendering the whole thing pointless. I can't help Duncan would have gone to town on the guy as he hated that sort of thing.

Had to laugh at the tuk-tuk guy. He seemed so clueless that I wouldn't have been suprised that, when asked about his turnover, he replied "It's apple, but I'm saving it for my lunch"

I did laugh at Sarah's face at the end. She looked gobsmaked that they turned her down. I did think it was a bit rude of them not to thank her for the offer though. I can see why they went with Peter though, track record aside, his idea for the buisness was in line with theirs. Whereas Sarah didn't seem interested in what they wanted just what she wanted to do with their buisiness.
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Old 17-08-2015, 16:04
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I thought the kettle thing was a bit pointless. As others have said, the concept is different from that of the emergency alert systems that are already available, but what it's designed for already exists - it's called picking up the phone and calling your elderly/vulnerable relative. My elderly mother lives alone and, even though she is not frail, we've arranged it so that I call her first thing in the morning and then in the evening, when I know she should be home. I get that an alert would be quicker and more convenient, but also a bit lazy and soulless.

An what if the person doesn't fancy a cuppa that morning, or wakes up a bit later than normal? Elderly people aren't robots, doing the same thing at the exact same time every day. If Mum/Dad/Gran/Grandad etc sometimes has a cuppa first thing, sometimes at 11, and so on, not getting an alert at a certain time wouldn't actually ring any alarm bells with anyone for a while, rendering the whole thing pointless.
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Old 17-08-2015, 23:10
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I really wanted to give the Yogiyo entrepreneurs a clip round the ear - what were they thinking?! They willingly gave away 33.3% to Peter Jones, whose main expertise is in the tech field. Yes, Levi's sauce was a huge success, but breaking into the supermarket world is incredibly difficult and their margins would be squeezed. Anyway, Levi was there at a time when there wasn't really a food mogul dragon like Sarah. Because Levi was successful with his sauce in the supermarkets, it doesn't neccessarily mean that the same business model is applicable. Sarah was so passionate about it, had the contacts to build up a resteraunt chain, sell it to large scale caterers and also get into the supermarkets - far superior to Peter Jones IMO. If they build up a restaurant chain, which is evidently very popular - the supermarket thing will follow afterwards - it'll fly off the shelves like Nando sauces and they'll be in a much better position against the big boys too. And all for just 25% too!
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Old 17-08-2015, 23:20
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^ Completely agree with this. They went with Peter expecting him to catch lightning twice. It doesn't happen. Far better to take a more creative approach with someone who's proved herself in a related field.

As you say, she has the passion to deliver, she has the contacts, and I'm sure a chain of Korean restaurants at a mass market price point would fly.
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Old 17-08-2015, 23:29
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No amount of emergency phone numbers, apps, or pendants will help if the person is unconscious, whether from a fall, stroke or other illness.

Alerting someone by not boiling the kettle - while not perfect, is a brilliant safeguard in those circumstances.
Exactly what I thought.

I really wanted to give the Yogiyo entrepreneurs a clip round the ear - what were they thinking?! They willingly gave away 33.3% to Peter Jones, whose main expertise is in the tech field. Yes, Levi's sauce was a huge success, but breaking into the supermarket world is incredibly difficult and their margins would be squeezed. Anyway, Levi was there at a time when there wasn't really a food mogul dragon like Sarah. Because Levi was successful with his sauce in the supermarkets, it doesn't neccessarily mean that the same business model is applicable. Sarah was so passionate about it, had the contacts to build up a resteraunt chain, sell it to large scale caterers and also get into the supermarkets - far superior to Peter Jones IMO. If they build up a restaurant chain, which is evidently very popular - the supermarket thing will follow afterwards - it'll fly off the shelves like Nando sauces and they'll be in a much better position against the big boys too. And all for just 25% too!
I also completely agree with this. I'm sure it's more common for sauces to go from restaurant to supermarket than the other way round. I would have gone for Sarah 100%. They admitted they went in wanting Peter though. I hope Sarah does beat them to the restaurant side of things.
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Old 18-08-2015, 08:43
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^^ But opening a restaurant was going to take a lot more than £50k so basically all Sarah was doing was getting her hands on the actual brand/concept, she had no need for the 2 pitchers. And as she said, she can now go and do the exact same thing herself with no need for partners.

I too was puzzled by the "3 Rings" things, how did it actually work, 3G, Wifi etc no one asked the fundamental question. Many people don't have wifi, routers etc. And I assume 3g would require a monthly/yearly subscription.

This season more than ever the Dragons don't seem interested in ideas, they want an established business and want 50% of it. Well thats not being a Dragon, thats just buying businesses. They seem not to want to take risks anymore.
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Old 18-08-2015, 16:49
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This season more than ever the Dragons don't seem interested in ideas, they want an established business and want 50% of it. Well thats not being a Dragon, thats just buying businesses. They seem not to want to take risks anymore.
I sort of have to agree with this. I remember Duncan Bannatyne would frequently take a punt or two, there's not much of that this time round. It seems like if the business isn't already established then you've got no chance of investment
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Old 18-08-2015, 17:24
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On the kettle alert, too many people are missing the point. There is no one solution that works for everyone. We are creatures of habit and it could serve as a discreet reassurance. Who rings their relatives every single day or several times a day? My mother who has dementia , cannot even answer or use the telephone anymore.
Peter also missed the point, if the person is unconscious in the middle of the night , or any time, no panic button will get help any quicker because it won't be used. That is why timed pressure sensors connected to a phone help line are sometimes used in conjunction with other devices. If someone isn't in their usual favourite chair after a certain set time, have they had a fall? That telephones the TeleCare centre. Probably very little , aside from a heart/breath monitor could determine if you have died in bed and by then it is too late anyway.
It's all about what suits the person, their health , mobility or lack of it, if they, like my mother , have dementia , they will forget to use any alert button anyway.
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Old 18-08-2015, 17:28
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I too was puzzled by the "3 Rings" things, how did it actually work, 3G, Wifi etc no one asked the fundamental question. Many people don't have wifi, routers etc. And I assume 3g would require a monthly/yearly subscription.
Here's the website for 3rings. It actually says no internet is needed because the 3rings plug has a mobile phone built-in. It's £12 per month subscription. They didn't mention that in the den though.

https://www.3rings.co.uk
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Old 18-08-2015, 17:44
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But if hes a multimillionaire, why dosent he just invest in his own company?
Yep obviously he is not confident enough to risk using his own money. He had a campaign which has been fully funded on kickstarter.
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Old 23-08-2015, 20:04
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Eyes down for tonight's bunch of weirdos and of course those after some money.
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Old 23-08-2015, 20:09
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Nicks an eager beaver tonight
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Old 23-08-2015, 20:11
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Does that Sarah woman have any cash or what?
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