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Old 04-09-2016, 21:58
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Here we go, Toukers going to ask for a rediculous %
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:58
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Ok Sarah we get it.
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:59
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There we go, he wants double

Accepted!
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:00
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Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83KLxQ1jjdg
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:01
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Do they actually know there are loads of loos out there with handles rather than buttons???
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:01
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Mines a handle
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:02
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"You're in Dragons Den. Everything is on air."

LOL. Not quite Peter.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:17
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Do they actually know there are loads of loos out there with handles rather than buttons???
I thought this as well. That the majority of loos in this country had handles. However I took a quick look on a few DIY stores and 90% of the ones they are selling have push buttons on the top.

I think it is an interesting investment. At 12 quid I could see that as a gift for someone to buy a young family. You can easy see that in boots or mothercares xmas stock and gran buying for one of the kids.

As the tablet holder I was a bit surprised. My first thought was as Peter said who really holds it with one hand like that? In industry they use specialised rugged tablets with tough cases which often have handles. I thought the tray holder was a much better idea.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:31
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i like kids flush and surprised the Dragons (bar 1) weren't enthusiastic about it

the only thing is will it.....wake people at night time ?? will kids be pressing it just for the tune and waste water? does it play just the one tune cause kids will soon tire of it?

i'm surprised these questions weren't asked
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:45
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Been trying to get on the kids flush website, but it won't load.
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Old 04-09-2016, 23:17
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its blocked, needs to be flushed
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Old 04-09-2016, 23:36
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I have three kids who are not great at flushing so I totally get kids flush and would buy it. But when I looked on their website it only fixes to round buttons and ours is square. He needs to vary the designs for all flushes - button and handles. My kids also are rubbish at turning the bathroom light off, incapable of brushing their teeth without decorating the sink in paste and can't seem to put the toothpaste lid back on. If he can create gadgets for all those I'd buy them, there could actually be quite a nice business in gadgets to help kids in the bathroom....
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Old 05-09-2016, 08:43
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The parking thing was daft, how would you get a sensor in every parking place in every town, not to mention if you would get permission, then theres the "maintainance" of those devices.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:13
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Mine both have chains and knobs at the end and are in Avocado.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:15
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The parking thing was daft, how would you get a sensor in every parking place in every town, not to mention if you would get permission, then theres the "maintainance" of those devices.
The once new Sainburys in Sevenoaks had sensors in every parking space but I can't remember now when they were last working as the information gantry is kaput.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:35
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its blocked, needs to be flushed
Ouch!

Mine both have chains and knobs at the end and are in Avocado.
Poor you.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:09
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its blocked, needs to be flushed
Ba dum tss
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Old 05-09-2016, 15:01
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The parking thing was daft, how would you get a sensor in every parking place in every town, not to mention if you would get permission, then theres the "maintainance" of those devices.
I was more interested in how they thought the sensors would survive road maintenance. Or don't councils nobody resurface roads these days.
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:12
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When is the new series back?
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:29
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When is the new series back?
Later in the year was mentioned.
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Old 06-09-2016, 14:12
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i like kids flush and surprised the Dragons (bar 1) weren't enthusiastic about it

the only thing is will it.....wake people at night time ?? will kids be pressing it just for the tune and waste water? does it play just the one tune cause kids will soon tire of it?

i'm surprised these questions weren't asked
Good questions. I also wonder what the actual potential might be. He said there are many toilets and many kids but that is too simplistic.

You need to have the specific type of button flush. I have a button but it is raised (and a different shape) so it wouldn't fit mine. The post above suggests most toilets are like the button shown so perhaps they are more common than I presumed but it still limits the market.

Then it is only relevant for households with children within a narrow age range (old enough to flush themselves but not so old that this would be too childish for them).

Then it would only likely be bought once by any given household as if it breaks they are unlikely to get another one.

Then it would probably only be for one bathroom as parents would likely not want it in an en-suite toilet or their "grown-ups" toilet.

Then, as with anything, there would only be a proportion of people who fit the criteria who would be interested. All of these mean the actual potential sales will be many times lower than "loads of toilets and loads of kids about".

You might say "what about starting with a bigger market such as including the US or Europe etc.?". The problem there is that if it took off in a bigger way it can be easily copied. Not just copied actually but bettered. Imagine if Disney decided to do a version and had their characters saying "good flush there" or it played a snippet of a song from Frozen. Along with the might of their marketing and sales point advantage, it would also simply be a more attractive version.

So it either is very limited in scope or it gets crushed by the big boys in the event of it really taking off. As a cottage industry type business it might be a sufficient earner but it is not suitable for a DD investment. He was a nice guy but it was bizarre that he got the investment.
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Old 06-09-2016, 14:27
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I can see why she may have done that. Tablet's are a current tech that's highly popular. That won't be the case forever. Trays will be around forever.
I guess it was about business acumen. If you have got past the start-up stage it seems odd to not push through since that is when you normally (might) start making decent profit. Even if you really wanted to start with the tablet holder it just seems weird to not find a way of maximizing the already ongoing product after the effort to get it started. Saying you didn't have enough time is only going to set off alarm bells about future time issues. It is logical to think that if it has to be one or the other to push on with the one that has been invested in (financially and in terms of effort), and that has started making money.

Also you mention that trays will be around forever. Does that not suggest that it would be a bad move to put the brakes on your advantage? They could push on with the tray and become the market leaders that everyone goes to. This, as you suggest, has long term potential as the use of trays may be around for many years to come. Stopping involvement allows someone else to come in and usurp your advantage. An advantage that took effort to develop.

I do wonder if it might have been that the feedback was not great on the tray. I can imagine that waiting staff might find it awkward to use the holder part and that they might simply be more used to a regular tray. It is also not clear just how much benefit the holder gives. It doesn't stop the glasses or plates falling and smashing. It just stops the plastic tray falling which will not break anyway. It could be one of those situations where it sounds great in theory but in practice is either of negligible benefit or maybe even not liked by the people actually using it. I certainly got the impression that the interest or positivity towards the tray had declined and that was part of the reason for shelving it.

As for the tablet holder, I thought it seemed quite good. I can see loads of people finding that a comfortable and natural way to hold the tablet. The main concern would simply be that there are so many tablet accessories about that it would be hard to get noticed. I didn't really see why it was apparently such a weird way to use a tablet though.
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Old 06-09-2016, 19:11
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I notice its not on this week, has it finished our just on a break?
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:09
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I notice its not on this week, has it finished our just on a break?
Back later in the year for a 'new series' which has clearly already been filmed, so presumably the run has just been split in two again. No doubt the dragons will still be wearing the same clothes
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:44
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Didn't know it had finished already
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