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Its just a Kids toy...........& the guy pulled out anyway & is making Zillions??
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I think that guy who brought the cuddly toys 'into the Den' for the exposure the programme could give rather than the investment.
And the cuddly toy guy, I didn't follow the pitch too closely, but did he say he only really wanted their cash to pay for stock (as was explained in the article someone posted)? Presumably, based on the positive results in the Den, he found it much easier to get his own finance! |
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Piers and Kelly were both terrible new dragons really that added nothing.
Although I did feel Piers slightly improved during the second run of episodes, Kelly is easily the worst dragon they have ever had. A totally negative mood vacuum without a single likable feature. At least Piers started to stick up for himself against Meaden and Jones' bullying tactics. But overall the whole show is like a dying dog on it's last legs. |
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I guess the handshake is not binding in the slightest then
I thought the dragons would be annoyed with him pulling out |
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I guess the handshake is not binding in the slightest then
I thought the dragons would be annoyed with him pulling out |
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piers was on R5 the other night. very interesting
I think the dragons are very greedy sometimes there is a balancing act here. you are selling an idea, not a percentage of a going concern. They shouldn't expect to value the business in those P/E terms. All they need is one Reggae Sauce, to cover every investment they would ever make. From the point of view of a dragon, expecting 40% of a company for a modest investment is a very big ask. |
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I watched the latest ep of dragons den and it was boring. Im sure it used to be better than this!
Has anyone seen american inventor? I think they should scrap dragons den and make a uk version of american inventor. Its similar to dragons den, as theres a panel of millionaires and people come in one by one to pitch their ideas. The difference is they are just average joes who have invented something amazing (or awful for the funny ones!). Ive only caught it once so im not sure if the panel invest or if its a competition with one ultimate winner. The high point of the show is its just the inventors and inventions. They can turn up with a prototype make of cardboard if they like and they are judged on their idea. Theres no digging into how much money they have, how many orders they have, how much they value the business etc, its just an invention. The idea of the show is anyone can go on there, you dont have to have rich parents funding your business and already be making money from it. I find dragons den can be quite dull. Im interested in new things but zone out when they start talking numbers, overhead costs, suppliers, valuations etc. i dont understand business so i dont care about that side of it. I would much rather see people with fresh new ideas rather than someone turning up with a good product and getting turned down purely because theyve overestimated their value. Eta it seems a similar show was done in the uk but id never heard about it. Personally i think if they gave it a similar slot to dragons den it would be popular. |
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piers was on R5 the other night. very interesting
I think the dragons are very greedy sometimes there is a balancing act here. you are selling an idea, not a percentage of a going concern. They shouldn't expect to value the business in those P/E terms. All they need is one Reggae Sauce, to cover every investment they would ever make. From the point of view of a dragon, expecting 40% of a company for a modest investment is a very big ask. I think you also have to remember that the main thing the Dragons contribute is not a paltry (to them) 50-100k, but their time. They have plenty of cash, but like everyone else they only have 24 hours in the day - they need to spend that time very carefully. |
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What I never understand is the "2 faced approach" the dragons have. This week they turn to the ladies with the baby teether thing (crap idea) and say but you can't look that far into the future (3 years) and value your company. Then in the next pitch they accuse the person of not looking into the future.
The last couple of series all they've basically wanted is a great idea/product for as cheap as they can get it, and aren't actually interested in risking any money, they want everything done for them, marketing, Patents etc. |
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American inventor is now cancelled. It was a joint venture between Simon Cowell and Peter jones (who I think was also a judge on it?.). The idea was good but it never really took off as they made it too much like X Factor.
I've not seen Shark Tank but it sounds good. DD really needs a revamp. I no longer watch it as much as I used to. All the best dragons have gone and the show is too predictable with most of the last pitches being one they all take an interest in, Poor piers he is trying but people prefer the other dragons even when piers undercuts them. I agree with his comment on the last pitch, the more interest you take in Deborah and Peter the less interesting it becomes for him,. I don't think he will be back next series. I don't think DD should be back actually unless they give it a major revamp. |
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I think there is a new breed of entrepreneur who deliberately go on Dragons Den to get publicity for their product- and don't even want the investment. Basically it was a 10 minute free ad for his product on the BBC. Why would he want to give up any equity? Glad it was Peter and Deborah he stitched up though. Far too often this series people have avoided Piers because he's the new dragon no one has heard of. The same thing used to happen to Richard Farleigh. Even though he made the better offer people seem to get seduced by wanting Peter Jones all the time. |
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I think there is a new breed of entrepreneur who deliberately go on Dragons Den to get publicity for their product- and don't even want the investment..
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Duncan declares he doesn't care about prices - well, he wouldn't, would he! And you can tell he doesn't think the rest of us care because of the prices he charges for his flipping spas!
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I think he's right. I considered getting my eyes done and the first thing I did was ask someone I knew who had theirs done who they used and how they've found their eyes since the op. Price hadn't even entered by head at that point. Yes if the person came back and said £25,000 per eye then i'd not get them done at that surgery.. but I don't think price is ever the only consideration when it comes to something as important as eye sight.
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For once there's decent competition in the Den. Ever since James Caan left it's been too cosy without the Dragon's undercutting each other and generally colluding in taking too much equity from the entrepreneurs. Now Kelly and Piers have mixed things up a bit.
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Must admit I was watching and muttering to myself for him to take the offer from Kelly and Piers. The smugness and greediness of the elder dragons really gets my goat, when they refuse to budge on huge percentages of people's business.
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Duncan's out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...12-series.html Next series will be his last. Think we saw it coming really but still a shame. Leaves Peter as the only original Dragon. |
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Duncan's out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...12-series.html Next series will be his last. Think we saw it coming really but still a shame. Leaves Peter as the only original Dragon. |
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I always thought that DD was for someone with a great idea but no money, I know they do deals based on that sometimes but it feels like most of the time without three years worth of accounts that show massive profits, they don't go for it.
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Won't be worth watching it without Duncan.
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Ah gutted! He was definitely a grumpy sod but I from time to time I did enjoy his put downs. I'm going to miss his accent too!
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Not been the same since James Caan and Theo left. Not watched a single show since Theo left.
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Dragons Den is a tired old show now that has had a fair few years.
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I've stopped watching this a while ago now, it's just too samey.
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I've stopped watching this a while ago now, it's just too samey.
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Well the new series begins on Sunday, with the same line up of Dragons. Shame that Duncan is still hanging around, probably just there for the money nowadays (no pun intended).
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Well the new series begins on Sunday, with the same line up of Dragons. Shame that Duncan is still hanging around, probably just there for the money nowadays (no pun intended).
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Duncan's out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...12-series.html Next series will be his last. Think we saw it coming really but still a shame. Leaves Peter as the only original Dragon. |
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