Their sales haven't gone down though.

Their share of the market has fallen precisely for that reason though.

Its not as thought people aren't buying iPhones any more, its just that more people are buying more models of smartphone at different price points.

I can use my own words, but thanks for asking.

Never you?


Do you have any thought on Apple actually investigating combining NFC and a fingerprint reader?
It is onwards conversation, not a prosecution/need to win 'yes' or 'no' 1 only type of question. You keep doing that, choosing not to acknowledge any answer, even with the yes.

How about you answer a couple of questions I asked you earlier about things that you posted.


1. Were Samsung's pre-tax mobile profits greater than Apple's pre-tax mobile profits?


2. Have Apple been paying people to write reviews for them?

Regarding the fingerprint / NFC thing, I would say that it could potentially add a good level of security if implemented well and works.

If it was in the new iPhone which is expected to come out soon, I don't know that it would be a big consideration for consumers, as NFC hasn't really taken off in the widespread consciousness of consumers yet.

Start a thread if you want to digress on question 1.

On 2 I preferred not to call you stupid or accuse you of ignoring the conversational yes answer at #289.
You do it time and time again, so I do not think you that stupid.

And again, it is conversation, you don't force pure yes or no questions onto people. It is just not done.

If the question was:

Have Apple been paying people to write reviews for them?

then

I did not even think Apple directly asked publishers to fix the e-book prices.

isn't an answer.

I'm not stupid, bit I do have trouble following what you're saying when you keep moving the goalposts the way you do.

If you're not going to bother answering questions about the things you say, then maybe forums aren't for you.

It's not done to just waffle on about related stuff or deflect away from answering a question but you it all the time.

But you did not use your own words, you used mine, but changed Apple for Samsung.

They have to be selling less if more people are buying other phones, there is only so many people around.

Even around my own friends, mates and family, people who have had Iphones in the past have now changed to a Android based phone. Ok, one have gone for a windows 8 phone and another went for a new Blackberry, but the ones that did change went for Android.

I am surprised how many have not gone for the Iphone.

I think the point they are trying to make is that they haven't been selling less, the market (and not necessarly the market the iPhone is aimed at) is growing.

I do believe apple have a very high loyalty %. Of course, everyone will know people that move platforms. At one of my children's school there are a number of them moving from android to windows phones.

I think this thread has completely lost its way, which is a shame because nfc is quite an interesting subject.

This is an interesting article about using mobiles for transport payment.

http://nfctimes.com/news/transport-l...mains-cool-nfc

No they don't.

The only way that would work if everyone was buying a new phone every year. Which I assume isn't the case.

I'm pretty sure iPhone sales are still increasing year on year though.

Imagine we both sell apples.

If I sold 100 last year, and you only sold 10...

What's to stop me selling 120 this year, and you selling 40?

i.e. us both selling more.

I did, but that does not mean I can't use my own words well.

I do get what you mean, but the sales of smart phones must be shrinking surly by now, as most people who want a smart phone have got one.

I also think a lot of people will keep with what they have got for longer. you have got people who go and pay over the top for a contract, thinking they are getting good value.

Back to NFC and phones. what happens if your battery dies or if you got no signal?

I know that a normal NFC card don't need power or a signal, but that is because the terminal send the info, but do NFc on a phone need power?

If your battery fails you will have no access to NFC. It is obviously a limitation of the system, but not considered an issue by most.

I think it would be a issue if you only relied on your mobile to pay for things, took no cash or no other card out. Smart phones can use their battery pretty quick sometimes, depending on what you are using it for.

I think it is an issue, but maybe not a major one. The current spending limit on contactless payment makes it impractical as far as I'm concerned so I would always be carrying my payment cards anyway.

Just use your NFC card, its no big deal. It is however a good reason never to buy a phone which cannot swap batteries; I always have a spare battery in my wallet, they take up no volume/space.

I know it is no big deal, I always carry my card which is why I think payment by mobile is a bit of a wasted function (although it could change).

As for swapping batteries. I've never owned a phone that cannot swap battery, however, I have also never carried a spare battery. I expect I'm in the majority.

That is true, the spending limit is only £15 or is it £20 now? so yes you also need to carry a card or cash.




But more and more phones will have sealed batteries as they get slimmer as the extra space needed for a removable battery will make the phone bulky again.

My Nexus got a sealed battery, which I thought could be a problem, I suppose it would have been a few years back, but not now.


There you go, you have said it kidspud, " payment by mobile is a bit of a wasted function" ok you did say it can change, but will it?

Talk about the tail wagging the dog. a spare battery is a darn sight bigger than a credit card !

They all have sealed batteries.

Sealing the case saves at least 1 mm and will increase battery repair after sales.
There is talk that the flush sealed look is more attractive.

I meant the case is sealed. at least if the phone is dropped the back don't go flying off.

The battery in theory should last a good 4 years, even more before it need replacing, most people will have gone for a new toy way before then. I will be staying with mine for a few years if I can.

I got a rubber case on mine, so it is slightly thicker anyway i can't see the flush sealed look

The back flying off when dropped might reduce the risk of a stress break.

As does my rubber/silicon case which then stops the SF back falling off.