The judge is not saying that he thinks HTC have a case, he has mearly said that Apple will have to come up with a good argument to get the patents set aside.

Apple are are trying to fight this on multiple fronts

1 - Apple tried to get the case thrown out pre trial on the basis that HTC bought the company in order to sue Apple and for that alone. That is what the judge has refused and what his comment was about.
2 - Apple are arguing that HTC are not offering the patents on a FRAND basis when the technology is included in the 4G standard
3 - Apple are arguing that ADC (owned by HTC) though its participation in the 4G standards never disclosed these SEPs and therefore avoided their FRAND obligations

Thats nothing like the Judge saying that HTC have a case.

Looks like HTC are not the only company who might challenge Apple's new iPhone if it's LTE enabled.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ne_report_says

Theres a lot of irony in this post! Your talking about the other companies innovating which is all they've been doing for the past 2 years.

Where as apple has stagnated for 2 years! Whilst also sueing the companies for copying stuff Apple didn't even invent!

Apple just Copy->Patent->Sue. That is not innovation.

I thought it was entirely reasonable myself.

Apple's lawsuits are healthy joyous defences of their magical technology.
HTC/Samsung/Motorola lawsuits are because they "have so little in their own innovation cupboards that they have to resort to illegal and anti-competitive practices to try to extort unfair settlements out of others", a description that IN NO WAY could apply to Apple

And he calls other posters bigoted.

Straight from the horse's mouth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

"Good artists copy great artists steal" *


* "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product"

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/10/st...r-with-google/

Praise Saint Steve

No, I am again crApple for NO reason.

Maybe they were not great artists BTW he basically admitted that people working on Macintosh were a bunch of thieves.

When Steve Jobs said "Good artists copy great artists steal" he was quoting Picasso - like Picasso the reference to stealing was akin to inspiration taking an idea from someone or somewhere and developing into something that becomes your own. The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player but it was the first that was developed in such a way that became an industry leader, as did the iPhone and iPad.

As usual this quote is trotted out time and time again without the context or meaning behind it.

so when Apple do it, they're "taking inspiration" from say...drop down notifications, but when the reverse applies, Apple feel the need to defend 'their' intellectual property?

Again a 20 yr old comment used out of context. When or if Samsung or whomever is granted a patent for the drop down menu then I expect either Apple will back pay them or be sued.

Actually, it is:-


That shows HTC do indeed have a case. You can sit and whine about FRAND as much as you like, but Apple may lose this one.

Problem is, he was meaning that.

Like i said earlier, the whole apple range from macs to phones are a copy of other people's work. Apple have invented absolutely nothing to date.

You'd expect so, seeing as these patents are allegedly essential to LTE. HTC are extremely unlikely to win an import ban though, due to the standards-essential standing of the patents.

Besides, the 'inventor' of the patents may have just shot HTC in the foot by saying that he isn't qualified to explain what the invention actually is.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/09/a...htc-after.html

And now who owns the Apple trademark and licenses it back to The Beatles?

You know... The Beatles who formed Apple in 1968?

Yeah I know... The Beatles who SOLD the trademark to Apple Inc in 2007 for a rumoured $500 million... Pretty sure they formed Apple in 1967 though

The High Court sided with Apple Inc in 2006 concerning the trademark dispute. Apple Corps announced they would appeal, but the appeal was never heard as the parties settled in the meantime.

They don't need the money, they're The Beatles!


You're probably right.

Yes that quote is about inspiration and it's actually the other way around, you steal when you just copy somebody's idea without adding anything to it. But Jobs is personally responsible for creating this toxic atmosphere in which an inspiration by somebody else's ideas is impossible, it's all just copying. If Apple of the past building Macintosh were against Apple of today, they would fail miserably.

Have Apple actually claimed to invent anything? Or is it the general public that think they invented things which is the essence of the quote - you take inspiration from an idea and create something from it that becomes yours.

No copying is without adding something to it the stealing was referring to an idea.

It was just so fortunate for Apple that no-one previously thought to use that name or symbol for a company.......

How can they have patents with out inventing something?

Does that show what a joke apples innovation is?

I know, that was my commentary to it.

No, its still a copy of someone else's design you have piggybacked on! Take the ipod for example. A complete rip off from a schoolboys design in the 70s. They later acknowledged it but gave him sod all expect a free ipod which broke a few weeks later....

Apple had superb advertising hence their success with copied products. Their advertising makes you want and love the products even though they are normally crippled to hell and back. Its very clever!

Yup. It does indeed.