[SRW]

Everyone rolls overtoo easy now and I just want a MALE 250K WINNER FFS!!!

[jamesy1]

Originally Posted by CRAIG76

Deal or No Deal reminds me a bit of Millionaire.It was a good show at the start but playing it five days a week constantly becomes tiresome

Surely you mean six days a week.

[wolvesdavid]

Thanks for starting this seperate thread Rich Tea. I think it needs a seperate thread simply because in the main deal or no deal thread points like this get lost as the game takes place every day, and every single week people are entering their numbers for the box game. Posts can often be responded to several pages after a point has been made, if at all.

I was also a fan of the show right from near enough when the game started. My parents who I live with still watch the show every day, and I can hear it whilst I am on the computer (which is in a different room to the TV) and I can often hear what is going on.

Moreorless everything has already been said by everyone else, but the show needs a break. I can't believe they didn't have one this year for the Olympics or the Paralympics (the Paralympics of course being actually on channel 4!)

The game show is on too long, it would only require 10 minutes, not one hour! In all honesty I accept in reality a 1/2 hour show would probably be acceptable.

The extra 15 minutes (making the show last an hour in total, from what used to be 45 minutes) is filled with an extra advert break, the banker ringing in between offers, Noel and the other contestants having banter, asking advice from players who you have never met before and probably don't care about, things like the contrived 1p kiss, players getting up from the chair after every box has been opened, sob stories as has been already mentioned (but why ever bring your children or granchildren into the game.)

In short there is very little extra worth seeing in the extra 15 minutes.

I know its wrong but I honestly sometimes just don't care if they win big money or not. Infact sometimes I hope they lose. There has to be something not quite right with the gameshow if thats happening. Compare and contrast to WWTBA Millionairre when we all desperately wanted people to win big money and especially for the million to be won.

There are bound to be other points that I have missed out.

Does anyone know what the ratings are like for Deal or no Deal nowadays.

[wolvesdavid]

Originally Posted by GoCompareThis

Here are the things that are currently annoying me in DOND:
1. Sob stories. We don't care so shut up!
2. Noel engaging in IDLE chit-chat with other players and just wasting time.
3. Banker ringing for no reason whatsoever at unimportant points in the game.
4. Players giving the same shit advice like "£x is a lot of money", "take out the smallest / biggest values and the offer will be higher / lower" or "what would £x do for you?"
5. Banker ringing when the player asks for the question.
6. Noel's stupid bloody WAFFLING when the player has picked their box!
7. Noel or the Banker stating the bleeding obvious.
8. Mind games.
9. Throwing out people for no reason.
10. Stupid players who ask others what colour they had in their box last time. IT DOESN'T MATTER!
11. Noel telling the player to choose the next box 'wisely'. IT'S CALLED RANDOM!
12. Noel talking about cars...
13. "Open box X... *unnecessary pause* AFTER THE BREAK." HATE THIS!!
14. Influence from family members in the audience.

Or I could have just quoted you in the first place rather than type out that long post I just did.

I will add:

15: When the player deals but gives the impression they are about to no deal (only they aren't that good at acting so do a bad job of it anyway.) You know the type of thing I am on about:

Contestant: "Well its a fantastic offer but I have to say DEAL!"

Noel: "Oh you surprised me, I wasn't expecting that."

[Rich Tea.]

Originally Posted by wolvesdavid

Thanks for starting this seperate thread Rich Tea. I think it needs a seperate thread simply because in the main deal or no deal thread points like this get lost as the game takes place every day, and every single week people are entering their numbers for the box game. Posts can often be responded to several pages after a point has been made, if at all.

I was also a fan of the show right from near enough when the game started. My parents who I live with still watch the show every day, and I can hear it whilst I am on the computer (which is in a different room to the TV) and I can often hear what is going on.

Moreorless everything has already been said by everyone else, but the show needs a break. I can't believe they didn't have one this year for the Olympics or the Paralympics (the Paralympics of course being actually on channel 4!)

The game show is on too long, it would only require 10 minutes, not one hour! In all honesty I accept in reality a 1/2 hour show would probably be acceptable.

The extra 15 minutes (making the show last an hour in total, from what used to be 45 minutes) is filled with an extra advert break, the banker ringing in between offers, Noel and the other contestants having banter, asking advice from players who you have never met before and probably don't care about, things like the contrived 1p kiss, players getting up from the chair after every box has been opened, sob stories as has been already mentioned (but why ever bring your children or granchildren into the game.)

In short there is very little extra worth seeing in the extra 15 minutes.

I know its wrong but I honestly sometimes just don't care if they win big money or not. Infact sometimes I hope they lose. There has to be something not quite right with the gameshow if thats happening. Compare and contrast to WWTBA Millionairre when we all desperately wanted people to win big money and especially for the million to be won.

There are bound to be other points that I have missed out.

Does anyone know what the ratings are like for Deal or no Deal nowadays.

Thanks, just noticed your post at this small hour! We've just had 2 more tedious games this week. Carl weeping out of the blue, and today just gone an endless verbal cackle by Noel. The show is being ruined, and I'm wondering about it's future now. Maybe it will end next summer? It feels like a show that is slowly being contrived into a position that alienates the loyal viewers and allows the excuse to remove it. I'm hanging with it by a whisker, but the really good games are getting fewer and further between. Today it took almost 50 minutes to open half the boxes, 11 of them, and then the remaining 11 went in less than about 7 minutes or so. You watched it I believe, as you commented on the other thread.
I began this one because nobody was interacting much to any critical points about the show, and I am a fan who joined their game a few weeks ago for the first time. They needed some new blood as I notice that most weeks they cannot fill all 22 spaces anymore on the thread game.

[wolvesdavid]

Todays game (well yesterdays (Tuesdays) game now) was pathetic. You only have to look at my comments during the main deal or no deal game thread to see that.

As for Carl if the holiday in Florida meant so much to him, just take the £7,000.

[Rich Tea.]

Originally Posted by wolvesdavid

Todays game (well yesterdays (Tuesdays) game now) was pathetic. You only have to look at my comments during the main deal or no deal game thread to see that.

As for Carl if the holiday in Florida meant so much to him, just take the £7,000.

The thing with Carl was that during his period in the wings he was always the one to mouth off with an opinion to the player, whether it was asked for or not, which is annoying in itself. Much of the time he made reasonable boards sound bad, and was negative to players and trying to get them to deal early. One board last week had the quarter million, fifty grand and back up twenty grand, and another red, and he said it was a bad board to the player! Clueless. But come his game he changed tack entirely, and by his track record of dishing advice out I fully expected him to take 7K. That he didn't made me actively want him to get as little as possible. The tears sealed my opinion of him and I was pleased his dream fell to bits because it fully served him right. It sounds mean but that is all down to his own behaviour that I thought that in the end. As for the tearful behaviour, have any of these people got any self dignity about them? They are on a game show to have fun and enjoy themselves! Weeping for what exactly? People with a real cause to cry and get emotional likely stay calm and composed with themselves.

[wolvesdavid]

So moreorless everyone in the 3 pages of this thread so far has said moreorless the same thing, as I suspected would be the case.

The question is what (if anything) can channel 4 do about this and the programme.

Surely it needs a break! But beyond that shorten the show, and then put it on less often when it is on. Moving it to the evening might help. Shortening the show to 30 minutes might be a help.

But will this be done? I suspect not!

[Wryip]

Firstly I haven't seen DOND in the UK for a long while, so can't comment on the current state. But in the first year or two years I used to watch religiously, but even then the sob stories were there, the fake cammeraderie between the players, the fact that they clearly walked into a mental asylum looking for people to participate. I guess the only reason I enjoyed the show so much was watching those shows where the player comes in with their begging bowl, thinking they have a right to a large sum of money, get greedy and ultimately go away with nothing (there was something enjoyable about watching them cry - its just a gameshow).
When a show starts off like this, a freak show as such after a while it is going to get boring and there is only one way to go, even more extreme. On the odd occassion I watched after giving up, I have seen the whole cast dressed as fairy tale characters and God knows what else, but even on normal game days there was one ocassion of a drag queen who one day was called one name, the next something else depending whether they were in drag or not.

Now the reason I write in this thread is because you want fans to comment, as you will see I don't really fit into that category as such, but I now reside in Australia and they have their own half hour daily edition. Now despite the fact that we have to endure 4 ad breaks (higher than the UK's 3), they still manage to open 26 boxes, tell the game players story, and produce a watchable show. Nor do I find myself rooting for the players to win the lowest amount, because the players aren't begging. It just an easy watchable show after work and before the news comes on. Here are the differences:

Firstly the contestants normally just want a holiday or a car, yes they'd like a lot of money (wouldn't we all), but we don't get endless sob sttories

Second there is no banker, just an automated computer generated sum of money, meaning none of the Noel Edmonds/Banker nonsense conversations.

Third, and probably what the UK show needs to do the most, there is no queue of players waiting their turn in the wings. The people opening the boxes are random people from the audience, their incentive being that if they guess what they have in their box correctly they get $500. This brings about the bizarre situation in which if one of them guesses that they have $200,000 (the top amount) in their box and they open 50c (the lowest amount) they look disappointed, but if they open the $200,000 they rightly celebrate the fact they've won $500, not cry because they have 'caused' the contestant to losse hope of their dream.

But mainly the main difference is that the best way I can describe the UK version under Noel Edmonds is something akin to a cult, where you have to all be best friends, kiss them if they open the 1p box, all hold hands together and chant blue, bue, blue And basically worship at the feet of Noel and anything he tells you to do. Perhaps Noel is the problem, perhaps having the players waiting in the wings, perhps being an hour long. The UK version sadly has always needed to be simpler, the only thing is, after 7 years of the same format, would it work being a fast paced 30 minute show? Would those people used to watching the cult version get used to a stripped back version? In terms of all important audience figures, I doubt it.

[LIZALYNN]

Originally Posted by Rich Tea.

Quite a lot of this is very well said. I started this thread with you and others like you, and me in mind, having read your feisty comments on the other game playing thread. Nobody seems to interact on that thread with comments about the show each day, so this now seems the best place to let off steam. I don't have an issue with the mind games part of things, because a large part of this game is in the mind, rather than in the boxes.
Yesterdays game was certainly influenced overwhelmingly by a very negative set of players in the wings towards the older woman playing, who dealt quite low. As I said on the other thread, the wings often patronise older players into trying to deal early. The never ending spouting of the mind numbingly obvious by box openers is getting increasingly tedious, as are the overdone gushing platitudes to the person playing that days game. Every day someone says "you are a wonderful person, it's been a pleasure to meet you" or words to that effect. Give it a break! In yesterdays game, one of the guys in the wings was about to open a box without saying a word to the player, which would have been a refreshing change, but Noel stepped in immediately and castigated him for not saying anything! As for the throwing out the studio, it baffles. More than ever Noel is doing some of the bankers bidding for him in my view, and relishes with glee forwarding the nastier side of the calls to an un-necessary degree. Looking back at some of the earlier shows on Challenge recently was a revelation, and it was the style of those shows back in 2005 to 2007 that made it a hit with people, and not the style in 2012 that it has decended into.

I noticed that too. It would indeed have been a refreshing change.
The whole show needs to be shortened to half an hour.

[Rich Tea.]

Originally Posted by Wryip

Firstly I haven't seen DOND in the UK for a long while, so can't comment on the current state. But in the first year or two years I used to watch religiously, but even then the sob stories were there, the fake cammeraderie between the players, the fact that they clearly walked into a mental asylum looking for people to participate. I guess the only reason I enjoyed the show so much was watching those shows where the player comes in with their begging bowl, thinking they have a right to a large sum of money, get greedy and ultimately go away with nothing (there was something enjoyable about watching them cry - its just a gameshow).
When a show starts off like this, a freak show as such after a while it is going to get boring and there is only one way to go, even more extreme. On the odd occassion I watched after giving up, I have seen the whole cast dressed as fairy tale characters and God knows what else, but even on normal game days there was one ocassion of a drag queen who one day was called one name, the next something else depending whether they were in drag or not.

Now the reason I write in this thread is because you want fans to comment, as you will see I don't really fit into that category as such, but I now reside in Australia and they have their own half hour daily edition. Now despite the fact that we have to endure 4 ad breaks (higher than the UK's 3), they still manage to open 26 boxes, tell the game players story, and produce a watchable show. Nor do I find myself rooting for the players to win the lowest amount, because the players aren't begging. It just an easy watchable show after work and before the news comes on. Here are the differences:

Firstly the contestants normally just want a holiday or a car, yes they'd like a lot of money (wouldn't we all), but we don't get endless sob sttories

Second there is no banker, just an automated computer generated sum of money, meaning none of the Noel Edmonds/Banker nonsense conversations.

Third, and probably what the UK show needs to do the most, there is no queue of players waiting their turn in the wings. The people opening the boxes are random people from the audience, their incentive being that if they guess what they have in their box correctly they get $500. This brings about the bizarre situation in which if one of them guesses that they have $200,000 (the top amount) in their box and they open 50c (the lowest amount) they look disappointed, but if they open the $200,000 they rightly celebrate the fact they've won $500, not cry because they have 'caused' the contestant to losse hope of their dream.

But mainly the main difference is that the best way I can describe the UK version under Noel Edmonds is something akin to a cult, where you have to all be best friends, kiss them if they open the 1p box, all hold hands together and chant blue, bue, blue And basically worship at the feet of Noel and anything he tells you to do. Perhaps Noel is the problem, perhaps having the players waiting in the wings, perhps being an hour long. The UK version sadly has always needed to be simpler, the only thing is, after 7 years of the same format, would it work being a fast paced 30 minute show? Would those people used to watching the cult version get used to a stripped back version? In terms of all important audience figures, I doubt it.

Wryip, this is one of the best posts about Deal Or No Deal I have read in ages, and it was great to have the foreign aspect mentioned from Australia. Well said!

[bethwaddel]

I have already commented on ''official'' thread, but yes i agree, used to look forward to DOND, ever the poorer episodes were worth watching a while ago, but lately the whole atmosphere on show has been downright depressing both from Edmonds and contestants, if things do not buck up, i for one will cross this out as a must see programme

[Lucidia2011]

I hate this show, a lot more nowadays though. It's unbearable.

[1fab]

I often have DOND on in the kitchen while I'm preparing a meal, and it's ok as background noise. On the rare occasion I sit down to watch it, it actually sends me to sleep.

Unless they change the rules in some way, I don't think there is much they can do to make it more interesting. All that dressing up malarky just makes it worse, in my opinion.

Perhaps it was bound to get boring eventually – after all, it is just 22 people opening some boxes.

There are a few flaws in the format: e.g. the fact that if someone deals early, often before the final break, it means that we have to endure watching them continue to open all the boxes, and that just isn't interesting, no matter how much Noel insists that it is. Once a player has dealt, or all the big money has gone, the game is over for most people.

I think someone could come up with a way of improving it, but I won't hold my breath.

[John_Traynor]

Originally Posted by Rich Tea.

This isn't for people that hate Deal Or No Deal to complain about.

No, this is a public forum so you cannot dictate the terms and conditions of the conversation.

Deal Or No Deal is people opening boxes. It has no skill or thrill. It is TV for those with sub average IQ.

[thms]

Originally Posted by John_Traynor

It is TV for those with sub average IQ.

i must be the exception..

[Oldbod]

Originally Posted by John_Traynor

No, this is a public forum so you cannot dictate the terms and conditions of the conversation.

Deal Or No Deal is people opening boxes. It has no skill or thrill. It is TV for those with sub average IQ.

I take great exception to being classed as sub average IQ just because I watch DOND

[1fab]

edit: not relevant

[Rich Tea.]

Originally Posted by John_Traynor

No, this is a public forum so you cannot dictate the terms and conditions of the conversation.

Deal Or No Deal is people opening boxes. It has no skill or thrill. It is TV for those with sub average IQ.

People like you, John Traynor, who waste time writing such pointless nonsense are actually the ones with the sub average IQ's in my opinion. Twit!

[zoepaulpenny]

Originally Posted by Rich Tea.

People like you, John Traynor, who waste time writing such pointless nonsense are actually the ones with the sub average IQ's in my opinion. Twit!

agree there is always one... each to our own. if you like it watch it. if not shut up ..

[steveh31]

There is a point when you find Deal or No Deal boring it happened to me in about 2008 but weirdly I can watch the repeats on Challenge from 2006 and love them with Lucy and Aaron but if i try to watch current ones I cannot for some reason. I cannot fathom out why as it is 22 boxes being opened in same format.

Does anyone else find that they can watch old shows but not new ones, I think also I had the DVD interactive game which may have speeded up my boredom of it or maybe the contestants in 2006 were just better.

[Glenn A]

It should be moved to 5.30 and only be on for half an hour with a three month break in the summer. DOND has become hopeless and a real chore to watch in the last few years.

[Rich Tea.]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

It should be moved to 5.30 and only be on for half an hour with a three month break in the summer. DOND has become hopeless and a real chore to watch in the last few years.

It was a major mistake not to have a break from Deal Or No Deal in this Olympic 2012 summer, especially as Channel 4 had the rights to showing the Paralympics, which meant that the show itself was pushed and pulled around the schedule all over the place and getting moved at the last minute. It was exasperating infact. Quite simply it should not have been on, and this was the obvious time for it to take a well earned rest.

[Stunty]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

It should be moved to 5.30 and only be on for half an hour with a three month break in the summer. DOND has become hopeless and a real chore to watch in the last few years.

It is on at 5:20 ........


5:30 am!!

[Glenn A]

Originally Posted by Rich Tea.

It was a major mistake not to have a break from Deal Or No Deal in this Olympic 2012 summer, especially as Channel 4 had the rights to showing the Paralympics, which meant that the show itself was pushed and pulled around the schedule all over the place and getting moved at the last minute. It was exasperating infact. Quite simply it should not have been on, and this was the obvious time for it to take a well earned rest.

If Channel 4 want to save this show, the advice is simple, cut it to 30 minutes, abandon the stupid fancy dress weeks, the sob stories and give the show a break for half of the year. My family have stopped watching DOND as they say it's on too much and is too boring now.
Also I have heard rumours of Noel negotiating for a return to BBC One. If this is the case, he must realise DOND is on the way out.