[DUNDEEBOY]

From last year you have little mix and Amelia doing well. However this was the first time for a while after the run of bad male winners.

If we go back to type with the poor viewing figures it could be the end this time

[Dandem]

The problem isn't the winner, it's the crap they released, or more accurately get lumbered with. No singer could make "Run for Your Life" or "Ambitions" a winner, not even Leona Lewis or Alexandra Burke. Marcus Collins, a runner up, ended up singing a jazz cover of one of the most popular songs of the 21st century. It was never good news.

[E05297535]

Who exactly is the 'bland male winner' you're referring to?????

Misha (and Marcus) also did well, as they clinched record deals and had records in the charts also!!

[Andrew_Duncan]

Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY

From last year you have little mix and Amelia doing well. However this was the first time for a while after the run of bad male winners.

If we go back to type with the poor viewing figures it could be the end this time

It's depends if it's the right male. Look at Olly Murrs, he is successful, it just depends on the music they release and how they are handled. Syco doesn't push it's male solo acts like they do females though.
But in all honesty males singers on any label aren't setting the world alight. Even Usher is having trouble selling. If you compare the male singer success to females it's very dire at the moment or atleast on a worldwide level anyway.

[Michelle32]

Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY

From last year you have little mix and Amelia doing well. However this was the first time for a while after the run of bad male winners.

If we go back to type with the poor viewing figures it could be the end this time

Probably another bland winner like last year and most of the previous years might.

Little Mix and Amelia have had 1 hit record (notice Ameila is predicted to drop quite a lot this week). Let's see if they are around in any Top 10 record capacity 4 or 5 releases from now before they can be perceived to be 'doing well'. Ameila's first week sale was hardly earth shattering given all the publicity she has had over the past year.

[LunarLegend]

Very likely I don't think it really think the downfall of the bland male winners after the show is down to materiel I think it's the fact that the kind of people who fanatically vote for these bland male acts aren't really the kind of people to actually buy music once the show is over.

[Andrew_Duncan]

Originally Posted by E05297535

Who exactly is the 'bland male winner' you're referring to?????

Misha (and Marcus) also did well, as they clinched record deals and had records in the charts also!!

Marcus flopped....
and Misha didn't do well for her hype and what was expected of her. She didn't even go top 10 & had no longetivity.

[E05297535]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Duncan

Marcus flopped....
and Misha didn't do well for her hype and what was expected of her. She didn't even go top 10 & had no longetivity.

No longetivity...that's ur opinion!! BTW a 2nd single out and album on its way, plus a MOBO nomination for best newcomer tells me she'll be around for a little while yet....oh yes, there's also the concert alongside Nikki M too!!

Has there been an OFFICIAL announcement of Marcus 'flopping' that been overlooked BTW????

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by LunarLegend

Very likely I don't think it really think the downfall of the bland male winners after the show is down to materiel I think it's the fact that the kind of people who fanatically vote for these bland male acts aren't really the kind of people to actually buy music once the show is over.

This is close to the truth. And it's not just male winners as we have seen recently with an female winner.

There is a lack of connection between people voting for their winner and buying their records. It's as straight forward as that.

[EdgarK]

A show based however loosely around singing, and aspiring to ten million or more viewers, wouldn't last a season if it weren't bland for the most part. It doesn't matter that much who wins, though - the commercial success of the 2010 season seems thus far to have rested in bringing One Direction, Cher and Rebecca, arguably in that order, to public attention. What matters are the recording stars (if any) that emerge, and having enough variety, controversy etc. along the way to keep the required numbers viewing. Never an easy recipe because, as Howard Devoto probably wasn't the first to observe, "some will pay for what others pay to avoid"

[Andrew_Duncan]

Originally Posted by E05297535

No longetivity...that's ur opinion!! BTW a 2nd single out and album on its way, plus a MOBO nomination for best newcomer tells me she'll be around for a little while yet....oh yes, there's also the concert alongside Nikki M too!!

Has there been an OFFICIAL announcement of Marcus 'flopping' that been overlooked BTW????

What's with the numerous '?' and '!' ?

Yes it is my opinion and I don't pretend otherwise. However the facts speak for themselves and his album spending only 3 weeks in the top 40 in one of the lowest selling months in the year is not 'longetivity' in my opinion. Just because she has them coming out doesn't mean they will be a success, no one can judge that not you nor me but Yes her first single did under perform imo. A MOBO nomination means nothing they haven't exactly been a 'credible' awards show the past couple of years and also they nominate whoever will turn up. Lastly she's not performing alongside Nicki Minaj, she's a supporting act. Big difference. I like her and hope she is successful but imo at the moment, she's underperformed.

The fact you think there would even be an 'OFFICIAL' announcement to say someone had flopped is laughable to say the least.

[E05297535]

I can put as much ???? And !!! As I like....if I think ur opinion is c**p I AM entitled to state it.....and how do u know Misha isn't performing alongside Nikki, they could be doing a duet together...have u a copy of the running order of the event that the fans don't know about???? Really to write folks off already eh.....that's the easy option to take when the act(s) concerned are not ur personal faves!!

[tj hazuki]

Nope. Idol has had FIVE straight male winners in ROW who all play guitar and is a Caucasian male. Stil the Idol brand is still going alittle strong. I think the UK is starting to get the WGWG phenomenon so you guys better get used to it.

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[Dreammaster695]

there all bland, louis walsh is more entraining...

[EvilLlamaThingy]

I really don't see it happening this season, because I just don't think Kye or James (They're probably the two that fit the mold best) are good enough singers to win it. Matt, for the general mediocrity of his material post X Factor, did have a pretty fantastic voice in his performances on the show, and Joe's pretty much the same story. It made sense at the time for them to win (Even though I personally would have rather had Stacey and Rebecca). The only one who I really think was a mistake in all senses of the word was Leon.

James kind of reminds me of Aiden with the intensity, except he's not really as good looking and his voice a bit more meh. And Kye is good, but ultimately inferior to Matt. I think people will draw parallels between the two, remember how Matt turned out post X Factor and probably not vote for him just based on that.

All my opinion of course, I could be completely wrong.

[Andrew_Duncan]

Originally Posted by E05297535

I can put as much ???? And !!! As I like....if I think ur opinion is c**p I AM entitled to state it.....and how do u know Misha isn't performing alongside Nikki, they could be doing a duet together...have u a copy of the running order of the event that the fans don't know about???? Really to write folks off already eh.....that's the easy option to take when the act(s) concerned are not ur personal faves!!

How rude.

I meant as not performing together as in it's not a joint tour like JLO's/Enrique's, read it in the context.You clearly have no concept as to what writing someone off is as i said ' I like her and hope she is successful but imo at the moment, she's underperformed.' so that shows i'm hoping she's successful.

Did you even read my comment or just reply a load of nonsense?

It's a form people are aloud other opinion whether their against your opinion or not you should respect them like I am respecting yours. Get out of stan mode and stop being rude because i have an opposing view.

[String9]

Originally Posted by E05297535

No longetivity...that's ur opinion!! BTW a 2nd single out and album on its way, plus a MOBO nomination for best newcomer tells me she'll be around for a little while yet....oh yes, there's also the concert alongside Nikki M too!!

Has there been an OFFICIAL announcement of Marcus 'flopping' that been overlooked BTW????

Well, there should be one, because he did.

[String9]

Originally Posted by E05297535

I can put as much ???? And !!! As I like....if I think ur opinion is c**p I AM entitled to state it.....and how do u know Misha isn't performing alongside Nikki, they could be doing a duet together...have u a copy of the running order of the event that the fans don't know about???? Really to write folks off already eh.....that's the easy option to take when the act(s) concerned are not ur personal faves!!

How ironic, considering how you dismiss other acts that aren't your favourites on here.

[David_Morgan]

I'm fairly new to TV talent shows, so some of the comments here are quite enlightening. For example, it wouldn't occur to me to vote for somebody because of how I thought their career will go after the show - the show is a end in itself. As I don't listen to pop radio I wouldn't know just what winners and runners-up did post X-Factor.

That said, I am much more drawn to the WGWG than any other type - though that first "G" could be guy or gal. The songwriters just seem that much more interesting, even performing karaoke, than the array of wedding-singers and chop-shop boy-bands that they're up against. It isn't that I don't respect the big voices, indeed some of the vocal pyrotechnics can be dazzling, delightful, but they just don't grab me as much. There are exceptions - Misha was phenomenal and should have won.

[EdgarK]

Originally Posted by David_Morgan

I'm fairly new to TV talent shows, so some of the comments here are quite enlightening. For example, it wouldn't occur to me to vote for somebody because of how I thought their career will go after the show - the show is a end in itself. As I don't listen to pop radio I wouldn't know just what winners and runners-up did post X-Factor.

That said, I am much more drawn to the WGWG than any other type - though that first "G" could be guy or gal. The songwriters just seem that much more interesting, even performing karaoke, than the array of wedding-singers and chop-shop boy-bands that they're up against. It isn't that I don't respect the big voices, indeed some of the vocal pyrotechnics can be dazzling, delightful, but they just don't grab me as much. There are exceptions - Misha was phenomenal and should have won.

Same here on most counts, except I've bought a few CDs by X Factor performers and followed their careers afterwards largely by visiting DS now and again. Most of my listening is in different genres altogether and I can't recall a guest artist (aside from a couple of XF veterans) whose music has appealed to me at all, which is a bit odd as they're already possessed of the stardom to which X Factor contestants are only aspiring. Oh, and everything about Misha, but first and foremost her voice, just grated on me. Is there ever a "should have won" as distinct from whomever the public sees fit to vote for? Her fans seem a devoted bunch but fairly small in numbers so far.

[E05297535]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Duncan

How rude.


Did you even read my comment or just reply a load of nonsense?

It's a form people are aloud other opinion whether their against your opinion or not you should respect them like I am respecting yours. Get out of stan mode and stop being rude because i have an opposing view.

Well I replied to your comment....and I often do reply to a load of nonsense on here....BTW you are not respecting my opinion, you said I was rude for disagreeing with you, FOR STARTERS!!!!!

[E05297535]

Originally Posted by String9

How ironic, considering how you dismiss other acts that aren't your favourites on here.

CORRECTION.....Marcus isn't a favourite of mine and I didn't dismiss him!!

[Order]

Originally Posted by Dreammaster695

there all bland, louis walsh is more entraining...

Harsh! I wouldn't go that far

[Andrew_Duncan]

Originally Posted by E05297535

Well I replied to your comment....and I often do reply to a load of nonsense on here....BTW you are not respecting my opinion, you said I was rude for disagreeing with you, FOR STARTERS!!!!!

Your being rude again. Calling someones opinion crap is rude.
I wasnt that you disagreed it was the way you went about it.
Jeez. I guess the sayings true you can't argue with an idiot.

[CARA2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Duncan

It's depends if it's the right male. Look at Olly Murrs, he is successful, it just depends on the music they release and how they are handled. Syco doesn't push it's male solo acts like they do females though.
But in all honesty males singers on any label aren't setting the world alight. Even Usher is having trouble selling. If you compare the male singer success to females it's very dire at the moment or atleast on a worldwide level anyway.

You do have to wonder why this talentless guy appears to have been successful. He is being carefully looked after and very well handled by the looks of it. He is almost seems owned by brand XF.

IMO OM was a reaction to SCowell's long-term depression that followed Will Young's win over SCowell's chosen one Gareth Gates. When Joe won he was mortified and probably experienced deja vu. He spat his dummy out the first time and was determined not to be undermined by the public again. OM may just pay the price for it in the end, but for now he is enjoying everything that being SCowell's babe offers.

Personally, I prefer those who may have a lesser career but have maintained their integrity and self-respect, even if their talent isn't recognised/acknowledged by some.