i know she ahd a career with N-Dubz but she has had 1 number #1 from her whole career (the only other time where she sung the chorus with fazer for number 1) , which lucy spraggon could have matched if it wasnt for the producers, she has become extremerly cocky and full of herself she struggles to sing her own songs (BGT) and the fact of the matter is most of the guest judges have out sold her and have better voices, why is she there judging?
Does Tulisa Really have a right to be sat on the Panel?
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Who cares about how many #1's she's had? Louis hasn't had any and when Cheryl joined she was one member of a five piece girl group who was the weakest vocally.
Tulisa's been working her way to the top since the age of 11, and she did great to get where she was before joining the panel.
I don't particularly like her as a judge, or dislike her. I'm really indifferent to her actually, but "credibility" has nothing to do with sitting on the panel.
Just be grateful it's someone who's actually in the industry. No doubt Cowell's trying to get an olympian on the panel for next year as we speak
Tulisa's been working her way to the top since the age of 11, and she did great to get where she was before joining the panel.
I don't particularly like her as a judge, or dislike her. I'm really indifferent to her actually, but "credibility" has nothing to do with sitting on the panel.
Just be grateful it's someone who's actually in the industry. No doubt Cowell's trying to get an olympian on the panel for next year as we speak
Originally Posted by Order:
“Who cares about how many #1's she's had? Louis hasn't had any and when Cheryl joined she was one member of a five piece girl group who was the weakest vocally.
Tulisa's been working her way to the top since the age of 11, and she did great to get where she was before joining the panel.
I don't particularly like her as a judge, or dislike her. I'm really indifferent to her actually, but "credibility" has nothing to do with sitting on the panel.
Just be grateful it's someone who's actually in the industry. No doubt Cowell's trying to get an olympian on the panel for next year as we speak”
“Who cares about how many #1's she's had? Louis hasn't had any and when Cheryl joined she was one member of a five piece girl group who was the weakest vocally.
Tulisa's been working her way to the top since the age of 11, and she did great to get where she was before joining the panel.
I don't particularly like her as a judge, or dislike her. I'm really indifferent to her actually, but "credibility" has nothing to do with sitting on the panel.
Just be grateful it's someone who's actually in the industry. No doubt Cowell's trying to get an olympian on the panel for next year as we speak
”
But, she can't sing......
I'm not even particularly a Tulisa fan, but these threads are so dull, she clearly can sing - unless all of you have ridiculously short memories her performance with Little Mix was one of the best vocally of all last series.
I wasn't thrilled when she was selected last year, but I think she more than justified her place on the show accross last series - she engineered and then mentored the winning act, picked some great songs for them and seemed genuinely pasisonate about all of her groups. Her comments aren't like, flashy or anything but are usually quite constructive and insightful.
I wasn't thrilled when she was selected last year, but I think she more than justified her place on the show accross last series - she engineered and then mentored the winning act, picked some great songs for them and seemed genuinely pasisonate about all of her groups. Her comments aren't like, flashy or anything but are usually quite constructive and insightful.
Originally Posted by Bogz:
“But, she can't sing......”
“But, she can't sing......”
She sings much better than Dannii and Cheryl, and I'm guessing Sharon, Louis and Simon, too. Did they not deserve their place either?
Before she joined TXF, I had only listened to about two of N-Dubz songs, but I actually thought she could sing and I still stand by that.
I had the miss-fortune of seeing her perform at V Festival this year. Now I assumed beforehand that she wasn't a great performer, but my God she was awful. Her voice was horrendous and her dancing was so amateur. She really is a very lucky girl to be where she is, because she can not sing for shit.
Originally Posted by Order:
“She sings much better than Dannii and Cheryl, and I'm guessing Sharon, Louis and Sharon, too. Did they not deserve their place either?
Before she joined TXF, I had only listened to about two of N-Dubz songs, but I actually thought she could sing and I still stand by that.”
“She sings much better than Dannii and Cheryl, and I'm guessing Sharon, Louis and Sharon, too. Did they not deserve their place either?
Before she joined TXF, I had only listened to about two of N-Dubz songs, but I actually thought she could sing and I still stand by that.”
I wasn't talking about the other judges........hear her live and she is awful
they performed on Xtra factor and she impressed simon, then when cheryl left she apparently went to his house and told him she wanted the job and simon liked her attitude and gave her the job... thats what i read..
i wasnt a fan of hers.. infact have to admit dont know why i wasnt.. maybe her music in ndubz is too kool for a old dog like me... but towards back end of last series i became a fan.. i was amazed at how well she sang in the final...
but this year totally gone off her again... when she told Louis she was the judge that knew the most cos she had just had a number 1... 2 weeks prior! bet that went down well off camera with the westlife boys on xtra factor cos in effect she was calling them too.. not to mention gary barlow who hasnt had a number 1 for a while!!!
but i do love her smile... melts my heart.. so can tell you now i wont be staying angry with her for long...
i wasnt a fan of hers.. infact have to admit dont know why i wasnt.. maybe her music in ndubz is too kool for a old dog like me... but towards back end of last series i became a fan.. i was amazed at how well she sang in the final...
but this year totally gone off her again... when she told Louis she was the judge that knew the most cos she had just had a number 1... 2 weeks prior! bet that went down well off camera with the westlife boys on xtra factor cos in effect she was calling them too.. not to mention gary barlow who hasnt had a number 1 for a while!!!
but i do love her smile... melts my heart.. so can tell you now i wont be staying angry with her for long...
No but what do people look for in a Judge, someone who can guide them etc. I dunno what you could learn from Tulisa?
Originally Posted by Rob200696:
“No but what do people look for in a Judge, someone who can guide them etc. I dunno what you could learn from Tulisa?”
“No but what do people look for in a Judge, someone who can guide them etc. I dunno what you could learn from Tulisa?”
Little Mix quite clearly learnt a lot from Tulisa last year.
This Tulisa bashing would be a lot more appropriate if she wasn't the current winning mentor. :yawn:
i agree with OP she's dreadful. she has literally nothing to say that's actually worth listening to - nothing insightful, nothing technical or helpful...just the same blande comments rehashed and reworded every time. and she does seem to now believe that she 'is something'...but she's by far and away the weakest link of the panel with the least experience and the least success.
basically, to answer your question, she was brought in as the new pretty chav that they could doll up to create a new cheryl cole figure. but even cheryl was better than her...
basically, to answer your question, she was brought in as the new pretty chav that they could doll up to create a new cheryl cole figure. but even cheryl was better than her...
Originally Posted by gav016:
“Little Mix quite clearly learnt a lot from Tulisa last year.
This Tulisa bashing would be a lot more appropriate if she wasn't the current winning mentor. :yawn:”
“Little Mix quite clearly learnt a lot from Tulisa last year.
This Tulisa bashing would be a lot more appropriate if she wasn't the current winning mentor. :yawn:”
I doubt Tulisa was the reasonthey won, they became friends but when she had complete control they did songs like Tik Tok on Rock Week and Telephone when they said they wanted to do a song they did performances like Don't Let Go
Originally Posted by Order:
“She sings much better than Dannii and Cheryl, and I'm guessing Sharon, Louis and Simon, too. Did they not deserve their place either?
Before she joined TXF, I had only listened to about two of N-Dubz songs, but I actually thought she could sing and I still stand by that.”
“She sings much better than Dannii and Cheryl, and I'm guessing Sharon, Louis and Simon, too. Did they not deserve their place either?
Before she joined TXF, I had only listened to about two of N-Dubz songs, but I actually thought she could sing and I still stand by that.”
i'm sorry but i HATE when people say this. simon, louis and sharon are all managers. they're not there as singers - that's not what they do, and it's not where they find their success. they are music industry executives whose job it is to find new artists to sign and help further a career (and make money). this makes them infinately more qualified to judge than any 'singer' could hope to be.
tulisa, along with every other judge aside from the 3 aformentioned, is there because she's a 'singer'. and no, cheryl and dannii couldn't sing either, and i didn't in all honesty particularly rate either of them as judges either, but that doesn't mean that because they were there in the past it's automatically fine to continue the trend!
that's the biggest problem with all these panels across all these shows. the men seem to generally be alright (as in your more likely to find someone with experience), but for women they go for a pretty face and celebrity power long before any actual talent spotting credentials. it's very annoying.
Originally Posted by Rob200696:
“I doubt Tulisa was the reasonthey won, they became friends but when she had complete control they did songs like Tik Tok on Rock Week and Telephone when they said they wanted to do a song they did performances like Don't Let Go”
“I doubt Tulisa was the reasonthey won, they became friends but when she had complete control they did songs like Tik Tok on Rock Week and Telephone when they said they wanted to do a song they did performances like Don't Let Go”
Tulisa was the one with the insight to create them, bring them through JH & week one, and selected some great songs for them, Tik Tok was a bit of a misstep I agree, but that theme was very much open for interpretation, and she took it one way whereas others took it another.Their Telephone performance was quite good, and actually Don't Let Go was Tulisa's suggestion. Ultimately though, the reason they won, aside from giving some of the best performances, was the way they were marketed to XF viewers, which is largely Tulisa's doing (they wont steal your boyfriends speech, her appearances in their VTs).
People are quick to dismiss the good and blame her for the bad. She's actually a much better judge than she's given credit for.
Originally Posted by Bogz:
“I wasn't talking about the other judges........hear her live and she is awful”
“I wasn't talking about the other judges........hear her live and she is awful”
Well, I am.
Sharon has never had a #1.
Sharon cannot sing, as far as I'm aware.
Sharon was on the panel.
Tulisa has had a #1 and numerous chart hits.
Tulisa can sing, and has worked hard in the industry since the age of 11.
Tulisa is on the panel.
On paper, Tulisa is a much better choice. She's a much better choice than Dannii and Cheryl, too.
However, once they are sat in the seat, do they work? Personally, I don't think Tulisa works at all - but that reason isn't because she's only had one #1 or "can't sing" - the reason is because she doesn't 'entertain' me. Her comments are lackluster and she doesn't really have any rapport with the judges. I do like the fact that she cares for her acts though and tries her hardest to bring out the best in them.
Like I said, I'm very indifferent towards her and I do rate Dannii and Sharon as judges over her... but not because their any more credible than she is, but because they simply entertained me more than Tulisa does when they were on the show.
She might settle down a bit this year now her first year is over though, so we may see her shine.
Originally Posted by Order:
“Well, I am.
Sharon has never had a #1.
Sharon cannot sing, as far as I'm aware.
Sharon was on the panel.
Tulisa has had a #1 and numerous chart hits.
Tulisa can sing, and has worked hard in the industry since the age of 11.
Tulisa is on the panel.
On paper, Tulisa is a much better choice. She's a much better choice than Dannii and Cheryl, too.
However, once they are sat in the seat, do they work? Personally, I don't think Tulisa works at all - but that reason isn't because she's only had one #1 or "can't sing" - the reason is because she doesn't 'entertain' me. Her comments are lackluster and she doesn't really have any rapport with the judges. I do like the fact that she cares for her acts though and tries her hardest to bring out the best in them.
Like I said, I'm very indifferent towards her and I do rate Dannii and Sharon as judges over her... but not because their any more credible than she is, but because they simply entertained me more than Tulisa does when they were on the show.
She might settle down a bit this year now her first year is over though, so we may see her shine.”
“Well, I am.
Sharon has never had a #1.
Sharon cannot sing, as far as I'm aware.
Sharon was on the panel.
Tulisa has had a #1 and numerous chart hits.
Tulisa can sing, and has worked hard in the industry since the age of 11.
Tulisa is on the panel.
On paper, Tulisa is a much better choice. She's a much better choice than Dannii and Cheryl, too.
However, once they are sat in the seat, do they work? Personally, I don't think Tulisa works at all - but that reason isn't because she's only had one #1 or "can't sing" - the reason is because she doesn't 'entertain' me. Her comments are lackluster and she doesn't really have any rapport with the judges. I do like the fact that she cares for her acts though and tries her hardest to bring out the best in them.
Like I said, I'm very indifferent towards her and I do rate Dannii and Sharon as judges over her... but not because their any more credible than she is, but because they simply entertained me more than Tulisa does when they were on the show.
She might settle down a bit this year now her first year is over though, so we may see her shine.”
Sharon was a manager...
I think she has definetly earned her spot on the panel. One of the things that keeps me watching tomorrow. Just because she is young, not the best singer in the world (but she can sing) doesn't mean she can't help guide and mentor her category. She did a great job with her acts and she does know what she is talking about. TBH, I think all the judges have earnt there spot on the panel. I haven't liked them all but they have all earnt there spot. Too many negative threads about her.
Hmmm and no one ever questioned why sharon osbourne was on the panel 
Well regardless of that BRING BACK SHARON I say hahaha
Well regardless of that BRING BACK SHARON I say hahaha
Originally Posted by gav016:
“and actually Don't Let Go was Tulisa's suggestion.”
“and actually Don't Let Go was Tulisa's suggestion.”
i'd just like to point out that Don't Let Go was kelly's suggestion. she'd been pushing for them to do En Vogue for weeks. she also wanted them to do something a cappella, which they then went on to do on xtra.
also, i don't believe for one nano second that it's the judges that make up the groups. the x factor has a team of producers heavily involved in the "talent scouting", and the fact that it happens every single god damn year should be some indication.
as for marketing, LM came across well because they were a group of 4 likable girls who seemed to have a good friendship. they also toured a LOT doing performances and building up a fanbase. tulisa's on show antics - including the "they won't steal your boyfriends" crap - was more annoying than anything else.
Originally Posted by gav016:
“People are quick to dismiss the good and blame her for the bad. She's actually a much better judge than she's given credit for.”
“People are quick to dismiss the good and blame her for the bad. She's actually a much better judge than she's given credit for.”
This.
She also seems to receive a lot of criticism for things other people do: Louis called Misha a bully, Tulisa SINGLE-HANDEDLY ruined Misha's chances of winning. Louis brags about his sales/number ones with Westlife, Tulisa is getting too arrogant. Her ex leaks a private video to try and ruin her career/get publicity for himself, Tulisa is the slut.
Originally Posted by scamrasc:
“i'm sorry but i HATE when people say this. simon, louis and sharon are all managers. they're not there as singers - that's not what they do, and it's not where they find their success. they are music industry executives whose job it is to find new artists to sign and help further a career (and make money). this makes them infinately more qualified to judge than any 'singer' could hope to be.
tulisa, along with every other judge aside from the 3 aformentioned, is there because she's a 'singer'. and no, cheryl and dannii couldn't sing either, and i didn't in all honesty particularly rate either of them as judges either, but that doesn't mean that because they were there in the past it's automatically fine to continue the trend!
that's the biggest problem with all these panels across all these shows. the men seem to generally be alright (as in your more likely to find someone with experience), but for women they go for a pretty face and celebrity power long before any actual talent spotting credentials. it's very annoying.”
“i'm sorry but i HATE when people say this. simon, louis and sharon are all managers. they're not there as singers - that's not what they do, and it's not where they find their success. they are music industry executives whose job it is to find new artists to sign and help further a career (and make money). this makes them infinately more qualified to judge than any 'singer' could hope to be.
tulisa, along with every other judge aside from the 3 aformentioned, is there because she's a 'singer'. and no, cheryl and dannii couldn't sing either, and i didn't in all honesty particularly rate either of them as judges either, but that doesn't mean that because they were there in the past it's automatically fine to continue the trend!
that's the biggest problem with all these panels across all these shows. the men seem to generally be alright (as in your more likely to find someone with experience), but for women they go for a pretty face and celebrity power long before any actual talent spotting credentials. it's very annoying.”
Do you not think I know they're all managers? I was simply pointing out to the OP that not all judges have to be able to sing or have #1's. Yes, Tulisa is a singer, but you can't deny that she has done really well to get to the top with her bandmates. They worked hard from the age of 11 and it's worked out for them. Credit is due there. I think that's the key reason she's on the show, and to pull in the younger viewers - just like Cheryl was brought in for the younger viewers.
Viewers have really enjoyed Dannii's and Cheryl's time on the show, so whilst you may not rate them, many, many viewers do. Why wouldn't TXF continue the trend since it's worked out for them so far?
I do agree that Tulisa doesn't work though, but that's not because she isn't worthy, it's just because she doesn't "suit" the show, in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Tyjet:
“Another Tulisa bashing thread :yawn:”
“Another Tulisa bashing thread :yawn:”
Thought the same 100%
And the number 1 argument is BS!!
As an example Kelly Clarkson never had a number 1 single until 2009! Does this mean she would not be credible as a judge either? Despite her numerous hit singles and albums.
Tulisa does deserve her spot their she's worked hard and even co-writes/co-produces her songs (unlike 'heroine' Cheryl) but in all fairness they are judges so why do they need achievements? Anyone can judge a singer as well, we all do it as an audience, Which by the way I am positive we aint seeing the same thing as the judges.
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