It's not about talent (on either side of the stage). Not really. The whole industry is full of people who know nothing. These people (who know nothing) are there because they put themselves forward and because they convinced other people (who also know nothing) that they were the right person for the job. OK? That's how it works. Don't be angry because the world isn't the meritocracy that you think it should be.

If she wasn't judging x factor she'd be an MP or on Loose Women or chairing Birmingham City FC or something. Be careful what you wish for.

I am not surprised about this thread. I find (public) women are criticised and judged harsher than men. Let alone if they are attractive.

If it was a man with similar background (number 1, average singing voice, etc.) I doubt there would be as much hate.

A man with a similar background wouldn't be on there in the first place.

See I never really understand this argument. because in my head its about the acts, not the mentors. All the mentors do is pick the songs (and in some cases they dont even do that). If an act good enough to win, they will win regardless of which judge happens to be 'in charge' of them IMO.

Then we've come full circle and I tend to agree with your argument that the judges are irrelevant which means Tulisa is as good as or deserving as any of the other judges or anyone else up for the job.

The whole thing is scripted and decided by producers. The judges are all there as window dressing and as window dressing goes I'm quite happy that Tulisa is there.

Like some of her predecessors, I don't really think she's qualified to be judging people in such a format.

Absolutely correct.

The quite significant different being that the OP isn't being paid a stupid amount of money for his/her opinion.

Well I think Tulisha has great oral skills

I've always found it disturbing that people on the internet, and especially on here, criticise and make fun of Tulisa for allowing herself to be filmed in a sex tape which was then leaked without her consent. I find it especially disturbing giving the recent revelations from her autobiography that she was raped when she was 16.

I'm not sure what you're trying to add to the discussion with this sort of comment, but it's damaging and misogynistic even if you don't mean it to be.

Tulisa is straight up garbage.. A bad singer with a criminal record. And unhygienic.

As for the sextape nobody cares about that at all. Although its funny how her shit song that was released off the back of it, it did well. The 2nd shit song flopped.. I wonder if porntape #2 will be released in time for the album. Lol

What has that got to do with it? The fact is, nobody forced her to make the tape, she knew there would be a risk especially as she was up and coming fame wise at the time, so if she was so terrified of the consequences it may have had on her career, she should not have made the tape in the first place.

The fact that she openly capitalised on it makes her a fairly easy target for that kind of discussion. Don't play in the mud if you don't want to get dirty.

You're basically stating, then, that anybody who consents to being filmed having sex in a private context loses their right to dignity because they were stupid or ignorant enough to let it happen in the first place.

In what way did she 'openly capitalise' on it? By suing the guy that leaked it?! That isn't capatalising on something, that's claiming back her legal right not to have a private sexual act plastered about for all to see. If you think that making a sex tape automatically takes away any sort of autonomy from the two people involved in doing it, more fool you.

I find it so, so disturbing that people use a sex tape that Tulisa successfully sued against as vindication for the things they say about her. This slut-shaming culture we live in is vile.

You are applying this as if she was just a normal person. You seem to forget that she willingly puts herself in the public conscience, so you can't then expect people not to mention it and for it not to affect her career upon its exposure. She was up and coming at the time, and to be honest it was her fault for not recognising the potential damage the tape could have to her career.

She did openly capitalise on it by releasing the music video to her debut solo single the NEXT day after it leaked, chatting about it on talk shows and releasing some victim video on YouTube. It takes two to tango, and she can't have it all. If she was so intent on building a career for herself she should not have taken the risk. There is no scope for her to complain and demand that nobody mentions it. Yes her privacy was infringed and everyone is aware of that, but her actions following the leak were far from gracious which is why it has become a topic of continuous discussion.

As for the lawsuit, she didn't gain any damages at all as far as I'm aware, just a public apology, which is understandable considering she was a consenting party. There is no point trying to paint Tulisa as some victim who is being unfairly criticised and attacked for making a sex tape as she knew full well what she was doing, especially during the aftermath of the leak, that much is clear for anyone to see.

where else would she sit..on the floor ?

Yup...as long as she generates headlines (which she definitely has done quite recently) then shes fine for the show

The judges are just about publicity IMO. A lot of what they say is scripted too just to get in the rags.

So this is basically an argument of whether celebrities should be afforded less dignity and respect for being in the public eye? Well I dont see the difference between Tulisa and any other young woman who is put through that kind of ordeal. If she didn't recognise at the time that it might damage her career, that's not a reason to vilify her for it; clearly, she didn't realise, which points to larger issues. Just a thought, but maybe she genuinely trusted her partner.

If she released her video the next day, so what? The video must have been ready to go, so she didn't rush it through just to cash in on things. And whilst you seem to believe she did, it's equally plausible that her label (because I doubt it was purely Tulisa's decision) decided to put something positive out to counterbalance the damage that the sex video would no doubt cause. And talking about it was absolutely her right. She WAS a victim, and she should be allowed to say that without people saying she's cashing in on it. There is a massive amount of pressure on young girls nowadays to allow themselves to be filmed or photographed in avsexually explicit way; the pornography culture has infiltrated many teenagers' lives, to the point where it is almost entirely normalised. If Tulisa wanted to talk about her experience than that is down to her. It is not capitalising on anything. I would say she'd have done far more damage if she had kept quiet and allowed people who look up to her assume that she was okay with it.

It is your view that she knew what she was doing, but I think there's plenty to suggest she never intended for the video to be seen in the public domain, and the fact that she did successfully sue (and I expect an apology was all she wanted, by the way; the point wasn't about money, it was to show that it isn't acceptable to act that way over something which should have been kept private) kind of implies that, legally speaking, she was right to challenge it in the way she did. You can cast assertions on her character all you like, but they're just your opinions. The fact remains that she was legally successful in challenging the man that did that to her. Clearly, the courts know things we don't.

I like Tulisa, but you need to learn that people are allowed opinions. Nobody forced you at gunpoint into the thread.

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End of the day, forums are designed for people to share opinions about a subject. When people start having a go at other people for sharing their opinions I think that's unfair. Hypocritical of you to say people are allowed opinions, but at the same time, tell someone off for sharing their own.

An odd question to say the least, given that she'll be sitting next to Nicole come the live shows.

but it's clear that you have the right to judge her talent and therefore her ability to judge even though you have never even had a glimmer of fame...................................

And where did I say or imply that I felt otherwise? I was just voicing my own opinion that the constant anti-Tulisa threads are getting tiring.

What credentials do you need? It's a 'judge' role on a Saturday night entertainment show. Hardly taxing.

I agree with you. The OP and others would have more credibility IMO if they aired the same doubts about all of the judges, albeit some less but some certainly more.

The judges are the famous, glossy looking conduit by which the behind the scenes people's decisions and ideas are put across. Someone on another thread bigged Nicole up because she was the one to put together One Direction. Putting aside whether that is actually a positive thing can anyone really believe Ncole off her own back came up with that decision

The whole situation is false and none of the judges have a right to be there or they all do. It's a show and the only way to deal with it is enjoy it for that.

I dislike her outdated "girl power"/ladette mentality.