If anyone is interested here's a screen cap of the available players on my Humax box. http://www.flickr.com/photos/4170749...in/photostream
Thinking about changing to Youview
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Originally Posted by gother:
“Because Humax themselves have said the box physically can not support multicast”
“Because Humax themselves have said the box physically can not support multicast”
Apparently the box does not have the necessary IPTV tuner.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Apparently the box does not have the necessary IPTV tuner.”
“Apparently the box does not have the necessary IPTV tuner.”
tun·er [too-ner, tyoo-] Show IPA
noun
1. a person or thing that tunes.
2. the portion of a radio or television receiver that captures the broadcast signal and feeds it to other circuits in the set for further processing.
IPTV over the Internet is not broadcast so there can't be a tuner. IP is all software and anyone who states that this box or that box is physically incapable of multicast or IP streaming has been mislead.
The quality of service may not be high enough due to poor choice of components leading to bandwidth issues or processing constraints but multicast just requires a device to be able to register with the network to receive the streams and then 'listen' to them.
There's a good overview of multicast at http://www.firewall.cx/networking-to...multicast.html
Multicast has been performed for years and years with some of the cheapest network cards without problems - it's poor software implementations that pose the most restrictions to a device being multicast capable.
Originally Posted by M_at:
“tIPTV over the Internet is not broadcast so there can't be a tuner”
“tIPTV over the Internet is not broadcast so there can't be a tuner”
You don't say.
So with this latest little discussion, are we any closer to deciding one way or the other if the Humax box is capable of receiving IP channels further down the line after an update or are we saying it's a clear cut no?
If I was to sign up to Infinity when it becomes available in my area in 6 days, I don't want to end up getting a Humax box from BT when they start taking orders, only to find out down the line that it's useless in comparison to their own Pace box and the TalkTalk box.
Is YouView best left alone until next year when things have been ironed out and there are more boxes available?
Sorry to ask so many questions but this thing has done nothing but confuse me and the lack of anything at all from YouView, BT or TalkTalk is draining in itself!
If I was to sign up to Infinity when it becomes available in my area in 6 days, I don't want to end up getting a Humax box from BT when they start taking orders, only to find out down the line that it's useless in comparison to their own Pace box and the TalkTalk box.
Is YouView best left alone until next year when things have been ironed out and there are more boxes available?
Sorry to ask so many questions but this thing has done nothing but confuse me and the lack of anything at all from YouView, BT or TalkTalk is draining in itself!
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“So with this latest little discussion, are we any closer to deciding one way or the other if the Humax box is capable of receiving IP channels further down the line after an update or are we saying it's a clear cut no?
If I was to sign up to Infinity when it becomes available in my area in 6 days, I don't want to end up getting a Humax box from BT when they start taking orders, only to find out down the line that it's useless in comparison to their own Pace box and the TalkTalk box.
Is YouView best left alone until next year when things have been ironed out and there are more boxes available?
Sorry to ask so many questions but this thing has done nothing but confuse me and the lack of anything at all from YouView, BT or TalkTalk is draining in itself!”
“So with this latest little discussion, are we any closer to deciding one way or the other if the Humax box is capable of receiving IP channels further down the line after an update or are we saying it's a clear cut no?
If I was to sign up to Infinity when it becomes available in my area in 6 days, I don't want to end up getting a Humax box from BT when they start taking orders, only to find out down the line that it's useless in comparison to their own Pace box and the TalkTalk box.
Is YouView best left alone until next year when things have been ironed out and there are more boxes available?
Sorry to ask so many questions but this thing has done nothing but confuse me and the lack of anything at all from YouView, BT or TalkTalk is draining in itself!”
As it has been said in these Forums that the Humax Youview boxes CANNOT handle the IPTV TV channels and they are best left alone for at least a year
when we will know more about this box
I do not know about other boxes, just look up all the Youview Threads to see what people are saying about the other Youview boxes
I thought YouView was a base set of standards which relevant manufacturers and platforms were to follow? So that, regardless of who you get your YouView box from, you could expect a minimum of streamed content (not necessarily 'all YouView boxes can receive Sky Sports etc').
Reading threads like this, it appears that isn't the case
Reading threads like this, it appears that isn't the case
Originally Posted by BigFoot87:
“I thought YouView was a base set of standards which relevant manufacturers and platforms were to follow? So that, regardless of who you get your YouView box from, you could expect a minimum of streamed content (not necessarily 'all YouView boxes can receive Sky Sports etc').
Reading threads like this, it appears that isn't the case”
“I thought YouView was a base set of standards which relevant manufacturers and platforms were to follow? So that, regardless of who you get your YouView box from, you could expect a minimum of streamed content (not necessarily 'all YouView boxes can receive Sky Sports etc').
Reading threads like this, it appears that isn't the case
”
Confusing is an understatement! Why would BT be using the Humax box at the moment if they know it won't be able to deliver their sports channel via IPTV when it launches? They'll be left with a lot of unhappy customers and rightfully so as well.
I may hold of getting YouView untill the IPTV channels are supported. As BT seem to be using the Humax box.
Darren
Darren
Originally Posted by ney:
“I may hold of getting YouView untill the IPTV channels are supported. As BT seem to be using the Humax box.
Darren”
“I may hold of getting YouView untill the IPTV channels are supported. As BT seem to be using the Humax box.
Darren”
That's the bit puzzling me though. It is terrible business for BT to use a box that can't support the channels we all know they're launching. What on earth will they tell their customers with a Humax box when they ask them how to add the IP channels to their bundle?!
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“Confusing is an understatement! Why would BT be using the Humax box at the moment if they know it won't be able to deliver their sports channel via IPTV when it launches? They'll be left with a lot of unhappy customers and rightfully so as well.”
“Confusing is an understatement! Why would BT be using the Humax box at the moment if they know it won't be able to deliver their sports channel via IPTV when it launches? They'll be left with a lot of unhappy customers and rightfully so as well.”
I'm wondering if BT are using Humax boxes to test the water. TT gave everyone a Humax box as that was the best box for people who were getting speeds below 5mbs. Those who are getting more than 5mbs are being moved over to the Huawei boxes as multicast requires a min of 5mbs.
Just a thought but maybe BT will do something similar.
Originally Posted by gother:
“I'm wondering if BT are using Humax boxes to test the water. TT gave everyone a Humax box as that was the best box for people who were getting speeds below 5mbs. Those who are getting more than 5mbs are being moved over to the Huawei boxes as multicast requires a min of 5mbs.
Just a thought but maybe BT will do something similar.”
“I'm wondering if BT are using Humax boxes to test the water. TT gave everyone a Humax box as that was the best box for people who were getting speeds below 5mbs. Those who are getting more than 5mbs are being moved over to the Huawei boxes as multicast requires a min of 5mbs.
Just a thought but maybe BT will do something similar.”
Well that would certainly make sense as to why BT are telling new customers who want Sky Sports that they need to be in an Infinity enabled area but it still doesn't make any sense why they're bothering with the Humax box. Just seems a very silly move to keep up with TalkTalk. I would rather just be told the truth on the issues they're facing and wait a while longer for a good service. Keeping their customers (and like me, a prospective customer) in the loop with an honest statement wouldn't go amiss.
The TalkTalk offering looks superb I must admit. The only thing holding me back from getting that is because I want to know if BT will be offering their sports channel as a bonus like they do with ESPN. That would certainly clinch the deal for me.
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“Well that would certainly make sense as to why BT are telling new customers who want Sky Sports that they need to be in an Infinity enabled area but it still doesn't make any sense why they're bothering with the Humax box. Just seems a very silly move to keep up with TalkTalk. I would rather just be told the truth on the issues they're facing and wait a while longer for a good service. Keeping their customers (and like me, a prospective customer) in the loop with an honest statement wouldn't go amiss.
The TalkTalk offering looks superb I must admit. The only thing holding me back from getting that is because I want to know if BT will be offering their sports channel as a bonus like they do with ESPN. That would certainly clinch the deal for me.”
“Well that would certainly make sense as to why BT are telling new customers who want Sky Sports that they need to be in an Infinity enabled area but it still doesn't make any sense why they're bothering with the Humax box. Just seems a very silly move to keep up with TalkTalk. I would rather just be told the truth on the issues they're facing and wait a while longer for a good service. Keeping their customers (and like me, a prospective customer) in the loop with an honest statement wouldn't go amiss.
The TalkTalk offering looks superb I must admit. The only thing holding me back from getting that is because I want to know if BT will be offering their sports channel as a bonus like they do with ESPN. That would certainly clinch the deal for me.”
i honestly can see BT offering talktalk their sports channel just to take a swipe at Sky. I also wouldn't be surprised to see other isp jumping on the bandwagon and offer tv.
Originally Posted by gother:
“i honestly can see BT offering talktalk their sports channel just to take a swipe at Sky. I also wouldn't be surprised to see other isp jumping on the bandwagon and offer tv.”
“i honestly can see BT offering talktalk their sports channel just to take a swipe at Sky. I also wouldn't be surprised to see other isp jumping on the bandwagon and offer tv.”
The Big Four ISPs which have about 85%-90% of the market (Sky, Virgin, TalkTalk and BT) now all have TV offerings. This just leaves the smaller players like EE, O2 and PlusNet. I wonder if PlusNet will be tempted to offer a YouView box as it is part of BT, perhaps when cheaper boxes from the like of Vestel are on offer it might come on board with a budget TV offering.
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“The Big Four ISPs which have about 85%-90% of the market (Sky, Virgin, TalkTalk and BT) now all have TV offerings. This just leaves the smaller players like EE, O2 and PlusNet. I wonder if PlusNet will be tempted to offer a YouView box as it is part of BT, perhaps when cheaper boxes from the like of Vestel are on offer it might come on board with a budget TV offering.”
“The Big Four ISPs which have about 85%-90% of the market (Sky, Virgin, TalkTalk and BT) now all have TV offerings. This just leaves the smaller players like EE, O2 and PlusNet. I wonder if PlusNet will be tempted to offer a YouView box as it is part of BT, perhaps when cheaper boxes from the like of Vestel are on offer it might come on board with a budget TV offering.”
Out of those 3 mentioned i can see O2 launching tv i think o2 own BE unlimited too not sure on that though.
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“That's the bit puzzling me though. It is terrible business for BT to use a box that can't support the channels we all know they're launching. What on earth will they tell their customers with a Humax box when they ask them how to add the IP channels to their bundle?!”
“That's the bit puzzling me though. It is terrible business for BT to use a box that can't support the channels we all know they're launching. What on earth will they tell their customers with a Humax box when they ask them how to add the IP channels to their bundle?!”
I agree with the above. To avoid massive customer complaints and bad press when IPTV becomes available, they'd have to offer replacement boxes free (in which case it doesn't matter to subscribers either way).
But like you, I strongly suspect that the Humax Youview box they are using will be capable of firmware/software upgrading to receive and record IPTV channels when launched later next year. It would be commercial madness to do it any other way, IMO, but it would be nice if they'd actually confirm this!
Originally Posted by fhs man 2:
“I currently have a Sky and I am thinking about changing to Youview, can anyone tell me any information about it regarding pay tv etc.”
“I currently have a Sky and I am thinking about changing to Youview, can anyone tell me any information about it regarding pay tv etc.”
My father has a vanilla humax youview box and the only pay tv available at the minute is http://www.nowtv.com/home.
I'll be getting a BT Youview box anyway as I want a Freeview HD PVR.
In regards to IPTV / Multicast etc, there seems to be a faction who are adamant that the Humax box can't do it and another who say that it's just a matter of software. I've seen nothing on these forums that is conclusive either way.
So if Talktalk are offering the Humax at the moment then are they saying that none of the linear TV content is available to Humax users ?
And just to repeat stuff that's already been said - it would be madness for BT or TalkTalk to offer Youview hardware that doesnt and will not support IPTV / Multicast protocols.
In regards to IPTV / Multicast etc, there seems to be a faction who are adamant that the Humax box can't do it and another who say that it's just a matter of software. I've seen nothing on these forums that is conclusive either way.
So if Talktalk are offering the Humax at the moment then are they saying that none of the linear TV content is available to Humax users ?
And just to repeat stuff that's already been said - it would be madness for BT or TalkTalk to offer Youview hardware that doesnt and will not support IPTV / Multicast protocols.
According to the TalkTalk support forums they are only offering the Huawei box to their Plus TV subscribers.
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday
Originally Posted by tallguy9:
“According to the TalkTalk support forums they are only offering the Huawei box to their Plus TV subscribers.
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday”
“According to the TalkTalk support forums they are only offering the Huawei box to their Plus TV subscribers.
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday”
Is that the Talk Talk TV app the TalkTalk Player ?, BT have a BTVision Player but this is purely VOD not IPTV.
Originally Posted by wwwebber:
“Is that the Talk Talk TV app the TalkTalk Player ?, BT have a BTVision Player but this is purely VOD not IPTV.”
“Is that the Talk Talk TV app the TalkTalk Player ?, BT have a BTVision Player but this is purely VOD not IPTV.”
Yes it is, it delivers the TV boosts and also Lovefilm content
Go to this page http://help.talktalk.co.uk/app/hub/tv/
loads of info
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“A good way to nail this on the head is if there are any people out there using a TalkTalk branded box. The current software version on the Humax box is 7.10.0 + 1.0.16. Could anybody confirm what it says for TalkTalk?”
“A good way to nail this on the head is if there are any people out there using a TalkTalk branded box. The current software version on the Humax box is 7.10.0 + 1.0.16. Could anybody confirm what it says for TalkTalk?”
The latest software for the Huawei talktalk box is :
Manufacturer software: 12.22.10
Component software: 1.0.16
Platform configuration: 230
ISP configuration: 1
For non-talktalk customers the EPG is identical to the humax box.
Originally Posted by tallguy9:
“According to the TalkTalk support forums they are only offering the Huawei box to their Plus TV subscribers.
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday”
“According to the TalkTalk support forums they are only offering the Huawei box to their Plus TV subscribers.
I think the Humax box was issued to some people on their test programme, and their help page does show user guides for both boxes, however, only the Huawei user guide has any reference to the Talk Talk TV app and streaming tv.
Awaiting installation of my Huawei box on Friday”
I'm sure BT are annoyed they went with Pace instead of Huawei as they too could be launching thir IPTV service now instead of paying call centre staff to advise customers to get the old Vision box if they want sport.
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