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Why can't we have same sex couples?
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sofakat
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“You'd have to find a gay or lesbian person willing to do it for a start. I can't imagine many would want to. It'd increase the level of homophobia they'd already face as a result of being in the public eye, as well as all the trickle-down silliness and giggling that goes with it, it would overpower everything else about their time on the show, it would impede their ability to learn to dance, they'd be painted as deficient (they can't act chemistry convincingly so they had to give them someone of the same sex as a crutch) or a diva (they refused to dance with someone of the opposite sex, I read it in the tabloids) and all in all...why bother? Is the point even that worth proving?”

Yep. What he says. Totally agree.
Glowbot
25-09-2012
Yeah it would be hideous. It's too gay enough as it is.
Seeing them try to dress Anne Widdiecome as something resembling a female was as close to it as it needs to be, can you imagine two of them?
21stCenturyBoy
25-09-2012
In Israel they had a lesbian journalist dance with another woman and in Austria they allowed a comedian and fashion guru (and the inspiration for Bruno) to dance with a man and I believe they came 3rd. I remember reading the producers of DWTS were trying to sign up actress Portia De Rossi so they could pair her with a woman.
sofakat
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy:
“In Israel they had a lesbian journalist dance with another woman and in Austria they allowed a comedian and fashion guru (and the inspiration for Bruno) to dance with a man and I believe they came 3rd. I remember reading the producers of DWTS were trying to sign up actress Portia De Rossi so they could pair her with a woman.”

Not surprised. They seem to be far more liberal, open and intelligent about ballroom in Europe and further afield.
soulmate61
25-09-2012
Far-flung empires encouraged unity and discouraged disintegration, including the British Empire and that most intolerant "ein reich ein volk ein führer" Third Reich.
If there is a global empire today it is the Catholic Church. True to form the pontiff does not encourage independent experimentation and local thinking.

Europe may be liberal and tolerant in ballroom and the mere matter of sex, but come the vital interest of the common currency orthodoxy rules.
Saturn
25-09-2012
I'm gay and I wouldn't want to dance ballroom with a man.
trevvytrev21
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“I'm gay and I wouldn't want to dance ballroom with a man.”

Same here, embarrassing.
jackbell
25-09-2012
It would be a huge distraction and I wouldn't like to see it for that reason. However unlike some comments on here I don't think it would be "hideous" to see two men dancing, and I wish some posters would choose their words carefully. Homophobia is not nice.
soulmate61
25-09-2012
The same Dutch man-man couple danced in Blackpool latin competition in 2011 and 2012. This caused interest but no sharp intake of breath, raised eyebrows or any animosity whatsoever from an audience composed mainly of dancers from 60 countries. Basically a non-event. Had there been bad posture or dancing out of time then .

One dancer was large, the other little, but both wore the same colourful costume. There was not the expected male-female contrast and frisson thus surprising and distracting any spectator accustomed to see same. A short man dancing with a tall woman would have been received with the same distraction. This couple did not get past Round 1 but I am sure the ex world champion judges were marking on dance merit.

Each person sees what he wants to see. I was disappointed not by gaiety but because I am always looking for a woman . So a girl-girl couple would have been more interesting for me .
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“It would be a huge distraction and I wouldn't like to see it for that reason. However unlike some comments on here I don't think it would be "hideous" to see two men dancing, and I wish some posters would choose their words carefully. Homophobia is not nice.”

Why do you assume that someone not wanting to see same-sex couples dancing is homophobic?

Also why assume that same-sex couples have to be of specific orientation?

There is a difference between gender and orientation after all.
welwynrose
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“It was Israel and they were voted out after this....er....thing....
http://youtu.be/nHy02KjgFFw”

WTF was that
Monkseal
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Why do you assume that someone not wanting to see same-sex couples dancing is homophobic?

Also why assume that same-sex couples have to be of specific orientation?

There is a difference between gender and orientation after all.”

The poster's saying they don't want to see same-sex couples dancing, so unless they're self-loathing I doubt they're assuming that someone not wanting to see same-sex couples is automatically homophobic.
jackbell
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Why do you assume that someone not wanting to see same-sex couples dancing is homophobic?”

I haven't.

Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Also why assume that same-sex couples have to be of specific orientation?
”

Again, I haven't.
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I haven't.



Again, I haven't.”

Care to clarify this post then?

Originally Posted by jackbell:
“It would be a huge distraction and I wouldn't like to see it for that reason. However unlike some comments on here I don't think it would be "hideous" to see two men dancing, and I wish some posters would choose their words carefully. Homophobia is not nice.”

Because that looks like you're accusing some posters of homophobia, simply because they've expressed an aesthetic opinion.
tangoqueen
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by komentaightor:
“On a different show, yes, on a traditional ballroom dancing show, no.
Same sex couples dancing ballroom, usually ladies of a certain age without male partners, are all too often seen in real life. SCD is fantasy world, where every boy meets a gal.

And Brucie's jokes about such pairings would be way off beam.”

No issue on a different show, as K says above - but for SCD it's a no no for me, because for most (all?) of the tens dances have very strong male and female roles for each dance so same sex dancing here wouldn't work for me. I like to see the dances danced as they originated (exception is the AT where the young guys had to dance with their older uncles etc for quite a few years before they were ready to ask a woman to dance in the milongas) so the believability and the connection would be all wrong for me to watch it.

Am most definitely not homophobic - outside SCD, I do however like watching the all male group who danced at Move It a few years ago - does anyone remember what they're called - Guyz something....I can't remember - perhaps some of you can if you were there?
jackbell
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Care to clarify this post then?



Because that looks like you're accusing some posters of homophobia, simply because they've expressed an aesthetic opinion.”

I suggested avoiding the word "hideous". My post is quite clear.
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“ I like to see the dances danced as they originated (exception is the AT where the young guys had to dance with their older uncles etc for quite a few years before they were ready to ask a woman to dance in the milongas)”

Yeah, but that's practice. I'm happy to dance with men at practicas - there's a guy I dance with regularly at a local practica as both lead and follow, and it's great for learning.

But milongas (social dancing) are different.

Whilst I've no problem with other SS couples dancing at milongas, I don't personally want to do it, and definitely don't think it'd work on SCD.

For a start, who would be the lead and who would be the follow? If you have two women and you're asking the female pro to lead, then she's clearly out of her expertise zone. If you're asking the female pro to follow, then you're making it much more difficult for the female celeb. If you alternate roles, you're just creating a complete dog's dinner of the whole thing.
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I suggested avoiding the word "hideous". My post is quite clear.”

Not to me. It seems to me, as a reader, that you're drawing a relationship between comments made on this thread, and homophobia. If you're not doing that, then why did you make such statements?

So if your post is not clear to me, then either I'm very very stupid, or your post was not clear.

Decisions decisions hey?
tangoqueen
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Yeah, but that's practice. I'm happy to dance with men at practicas - there's a guy I dance with regularly at a local practica as both lead and follow, and it's great for learning.

But milongas (social dancing) are different.

Whilst I've no problem with other SS couples dancing at milongas, I don't personally want to do it, and definitely don't think it'd work on SCD.

For a start, who would be the lead and who would be the follow? If you have two women and you're asking the female pro to lead, then she's clearly out of her expertise zone. If you're asking the female pro to follow, then you're making it much more difficult for the female celeb. If you alternate roles, you're just creating a complete dog's dinner of the whole thing.”

I was waiting for you to pick me up on that! I knew as soon as I wrote it, that you would!

yes, the example I gave IS practice - and milongas are of course different to that but the same applies - I can't imagine the practice transferring into - gah - ;performance; with two guys or two women dancing it - I just can't associate the AT with SCD at all - for me its such a separate dance I wish they wouldn't have it on at all - it's my favourite dance along with the rumba, and it makes me cringe whenever anyone does it on SCD, sadly. its harder to 'fake' the AT than it is any of the other 10s dances except the rumba.

I love V&F but admit that I like very few of their ATs on there - somehow I like them to be much earthier and more real - by need for the show, I guess, they have to be a bit more 'clean' and slightly more clinical - but don't like it.

I also dance with a woman in practice - and don't mind that at all - but I just simply can't feel the dance when it's done on SCD and wouldn't like it with same sex couples.

Agree about the lead roles - would be odd with two bossy partners - outcome would be interesting!
jackbell
25-09-2012
I said I wouldn't like to see two men dancing on Strictly because it is distracting.

There were at least two posters on here that said it would be "hideous". I objected to the use of the word "hideous" in relation to two men dancing, which could be seen or translated as casual homophobia.

I don't know why two men dancing would be seen as "hideous" but if you need to know why that word was used you should ask them and not me.
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I said I wouldn't like to see two men dancing on Strictly because it is distracting.

There were at least two posters on here that said it would be "hideous". I objected to the use of the word "hideous" in relation to two men dancing, which could be seen or translated as casual homophobia.

I don't know why two men dancing would be seen as "hideous" but if you need to know why that word was used you should ask them and not me.”

Thanks for the clarification. I understand what you mean now.

I still don't see how "hideous" can be translated into homophobia. But I can live without ever knowing.
DavidJames
25-09-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“I was waiting for you to pick me up on that! I knew as soon as I wrote it, that you would!”



Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Agree about the lead roles - would be odd with two bossy partners - outcome would be interesting!”

Same problem - or worse - with two men, of course.
marinamau
25-09-2012
I don't think I would enjoy it either.
I don't care about the dancers sexuality, I like ballroom to showcase in the same dance a masculine and a feminine aspect in harmony, if it is two women or two men, that is gone.
Now if it is tap, hip hop, contemporary... I have no problem whatsoever with same sex couple dancing.
Tangerine_82
25-09-2012
I think, unfortunately, it would feel like a gimmick. The same way Heather Mills felt like a gimmick when she was on DWTS. I'm afraid there isn't any way they would be treated the same as every other couple - not by the public anyway. Sad, but true.
soulmate61
25-09-2012
I have seen two men and one woman dancing together in exhibition, all three top-class dancers. It blew my mind.

As for keeping an open mind about novel experimental combinations, has anyone tried two parents and one child dancing together? Two children and one parent dancing together? Four judges and Sir Bruce dancing together? It will come, it will come, just a question of time.

A man and an umbrella dancing together? Drat, Gene Kelly got there first.
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