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Old 24-09-2012, 21:52
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I've got this right.

If the thread is discussing Rylan it IS a singing competition.

However, if the thread is discussing Lucy it is NOT a singing competition.

Just wanted to get that straight.
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Old 24-09-2012, 21:55
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That's about right.

The truth is, Rylan has nothing going for him and can't sing. Lucy is extremely personable and can sing.
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:02
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They are both limited vocally in their own way. Lucy can only do tragicomedy songs that aren't particularly melody-led and Rylan is all about Ibiza dance and couldn't sing a ballad convincingly.

Neither fit in to what the X Factor is about, which is to a degree versitility - able to adapt to themes.
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:02
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The way I see it is Rylan is a charismatic popstar with a 6/10 voice. Lucy can write amazing songs but speaks while she sings...
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:11
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It's about lots of things, from pity through maternal feelings to desire and back again. Singing comes into it, and has to be done but needn't be good by any particular standard. Some will vote for what they think is good singing, others for what moves or pleases them. Divisive contestants stay around for a while but never win. Those are a few of the elements
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:13
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Can't see the fuss about either, to be honest.
Lucy and Rylan look like nice people but both are extremely limited.
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:37
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The way I see it is Rylan is a charismatic popstar with a 6/10 voice. Lucy can write amazing songs but speaks while she sings...
Think you're being kind giving Rylan 6/10!! He can't sing, so 0/10 would be more fitting!!
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:44
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It's about lots of things, from pity through maternal feelings to desire and back again. Singing comes into it, and has to be done but needn't be good by any particular standard. Some will vote for what they think is good singing, others for what moves or pleases them. Divisive contestants stay around for a while but never win. Those are a few of the elements
Pretty much this. I acknowledge Lucy's not technically the best singer in the competition (Though I love the sound of her voice and think she knows how to play to the best of her instrument very well), but she's still by a mile my favourite for the simple reason that I love watching her. She's already evoked more of a reaction from me than any other X Factor contestant in the past.

It's said a lot on the forum as a way of basically making fun of the show and wanting to take the piss out of it, but honestly I'd be inclined to agree the X Factor isn't really a singing competition, it's a show primarily geared towards viewer entertainment. The singing's obviously a huge element of it, but I think that people's favourites will be whoever can give them the most out of watching it, and while for a lot of people that might be vocally amazing performances, for others it might be ones that can produce a reaction from them emotionally, or ones that can make them laugh either with the performer or at them.
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Old 24-09-2012, 22:46
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That's about right.

The truth is, Rylan has nothing going for him and can't sing. Lucy is extremely personable and can sing.
^^^ what he said ^^^ about Rylan! dont care if i get shot off stacey for the ryaln bashing but the lad cant sing.. he not even ibiza!! he just a karaoke singer who mincesm and talks like on towie cos its popular.. he spends all his dole on beauty products to look 15 years older than he is...
he cant act.. either so he wont be no good in acting (fake shock at going through.. and poor attempt at fake cry)
hope he falls off stage and the shock of it loses his voice.. forever... so never have to hear another word or attempt at singing again.. dont at all find him endearing.. find him rather annoying... in his group song at bootcamp i thought he was outshined in both singing and comedy value by bith his group mates.. so the comedy value people are talking about i dont see that either he just annoys me when i look at him.. and i want to smash me tv when he speaks..
other than that i suppose he ok!!!!!!
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Old 24-09-2012, 23:42
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It's said a lot on the forum as a way of basically making fun of the show and wanting to take the piss out of it, but honestly I'd be inclined to agree the X Factor isn't really a singing competition, it's a show primarily geared towards viewer entertainment...
Exactly... it has to be. The hope is to have a quarter of the population watching - the more the better - and if possible voting, and there isn't a quarter of the population who are interested in evaluating singers then spending their money on voting for whomever they think to be best. A popular show absolutely needs "bells and whistles", needs whatever will generate press coverage, and there aren't many kinds of press coverage it won't welcome.

I tend to think the importance of versatility comes about by accident. Versatility of the kind X Factor can demand hardly matters for an established performer, or for that matter for the show's alumni as soon as the series is over. Cher Lloyd for instance surprised a lot of people with her version of Stay, but she's hardly revisited that territory since. Still the versatility thing hangs around because viewers need something a little different to look forward to week by week if their interest's to be held. The odd train wreck, the constant possibility of one, and the weekly promise of performers being taken outside their comfort zones, all help the show along.

Just imagine a series in which the auditions shown were the best available, and contestants, until the public vote took over, were kept in or dropped in a single-minded attempt to find stable, disciplined individuals whose voice and image qualified them as possible international pop stars in established styles. There'd be hardly any headline fodder, next to nothing for people to talk about at work,. ratings would drop off a cliff. I'm not the greatest fan of the Simon Cowell machine - I don't despise it either for destroying music, I'm not persuaded there's much more bad music around than in any other recent decade - but it's done pretty well so far in designing formats that people in their millions choose to watch.
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