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Old 25-09-2012, 19:21
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Hi

About the same time Homeland was showing in the States another series started called Bosswith Kelsey Grammer. It's about a corrupt Mayor in Chicago. This Mayor has no and I mean no redeeming features at all. He is ruthless and has committed terrible deeds to stay in power. It is thoroughly enthralling. Kelsey won an Golden Globe and I thought one of our channels would pick it up...but no and I don't understand why..... Its as good as Homeland...
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Old 26-09-2012, 14:05
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Who knows, perhaps they are asking too much money for it. Foreign audiences don't really care if a show has won awards but the networks often see it as a reason to price a show out of the market.
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Old 26-09-2012, 17:38
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Well it's a shame...and there's a wonder why peeps use the bit torrent sites...
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Old 26-09-2012, 22:26
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I picked up the show after S1 had finished in the U.S, i was only interested as i love Kelsey Grammer, not a big fan of political dramas but after watching S1 i was hooked, now into S2.

Yes it's a pity no UK channel has picked this up yet, thought Atlantic or 5 USA would have aired S1 by now, hopefully they will see the potential and air it.

If no one has watched it yet then i recommend you do, however naturally you'll have to view it by 'cough' 'cough' other means.
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Old 26-09-2012, 22:53
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There is not enough room, even with countless digital channels, to show every US show ever made. Channels have to bet on what they think is best for their given budget. Using that fact as reasoning on why piracy exists is a little weak.
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Old 27-09-2012, 00:07
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I thought I read a while More 4 picked it up.Been watching it tho,loved Season 1,I personally thought it took a while for Season 2 to get going but half way through and it's starting to hit it's stride now
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Old 27-09-2012, 00:08
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But surely this is better than some of the toss they put on Atlantic, Sky 1, FX, 5 USA, at the moment some of the digital channels seem to be doing reruns of American shows (Terra Nova and The Chicago Code to name two), instead make way for the likes of this show.... unless it's all to do with cost, to be honest it's doe's not bother me as i watch the majority of U.S shows by other means but not eveyone wants to do anything naughty to watch and would sooner view some of these great shows via legal means.
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Old 27-09-2012, 13:55
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But surely this is better than some of the toss they put on Atlantic, Sky 1, FX, 5 USA, at the moment some of the digital channels seem to be doing reruns of American shows (Terra Nova and The Chicago Code to name two), instead make way for the likes of this show.... unless it's all to do with cost, to be honest it's doe's not bother me as i watch the majority of U.S shows by other means but not eveyone wants to do anything naughty to watch and would sooner view some of these great shows via legal means.
Well "toss" is subjective - I am sure many of the people watching those shows would say the same about your taste.

As to old US shows used as daytime filler - a whole series of old ER likely costs as much as a single episode of new shows and with things like Terra Nova - they already own the rights so repeating in the day costs them next to nothing.

What you really want is a personalized TV schedule - which is what everyone wants - but not commercially viable. TV networks can't compete with people downloading whatever they like, a la carte, for free.
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Old 25-10-2012, 23:23
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Ch4 have bought the rights to Boss and season 1 will air on More4 early next year. The show earned Kelsey Grammar Best Actor award at the Golden Globes this year. Season 2 has just finished airing in the States.
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Old 27-10-2012, 04:14
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Hopefully will be able to watch it on More4 HD by then.

Canít really understand why Sky brag about some of their American acquisitions but seem to pass on shows that are doing well and have a second season or have won awards, -referring to Person of Interest, Boss and Community .
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Old 27-10-2012, 05:05
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Canít really understand why Sky brag about some of their American acquisitions but seem to pass on shows that are doing well and have a second season or have won awards, -referring to Person of Interest, Boss and Community .
(1). Every channel "brags" about whatever programmes they happen to have-- it is called "promotion."

(2). Are not a number of Sky's imports worth bragging about? Absolutely they are, so what's the problem with that?

(3). You assume that any American show not on Sky isn't on Sky because Sky chose to "pass" on it. It is a competitive bidding process. Sky can't be the highest bidder on EVERYTHING.

(4) Sky can't have a monopoly on US shows. Many people in the UK are angry about Sky having as many of the US shows to themselves as they already have. Surely it is a good thing that the supply of US shows is spread across a number of different UK channels.
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Old 27-10-2012, 14:30
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(1). Every channel "brags" about whatever programmes they happen to have-- it is called "promotion."
Indeed, regardless of quality.

(2). Are not a number of Sky's imports worth bragging about? Absolutely they are, so what's the problem with that? .
Not when they have passed on shows that are regarded as sustainably better in the US (and in this Digital Spy Forum).

(3). You assume that any American show not on Sky isn't on Sky because Sky chose to "pass" on it. It is a competitive bidding process. Sky can't be the highest bidder on EVERYTHING.
No but the amount of time after the three shows mentioned (Person of Interest, Boss and Community) became available to buy to when they were picked up by Channel 4, Channel Five and Sony TV shows that Sky passed on these.

They must have originally passed on House, Lost, The Shield, The Sopranos, 24 and Smallville when they were first available but not the X-Files (incidentally made by Fox in Vancouver at that time ) Seinfeld, Family Guy, The West Wing, and Wings.
Apart from the X-files which was also shown on BBC2 the others were later dropped by Sky with the later series being shown on BBC and Channel 4.

It appears that Sky had a tendency to pass on new programmes it thinks may generate a greater audience following on the terrestrial networks then nab the later series on the hope of generating more subscribers - or be cancelled after just one season on the US networks (with the exception of Fox).
Mad Men is one example that recently failed generating significantly more subscribers for them.


(4) Sky can't have a monopoly on US shows. Many people in the UK are angry about Sky having as many of the US shows to themselves as they already have. Surely it is a good thing that the supply of US shows is spread across a number of different UK channels.
Many more people in the UK were angry about the BBC, ITV Channel 4 having too many US shows and the European Commission produced a directive to restrict the number of non-EC produced programmes being shown during the Prime Time hours.

Sky or Sky Channel when launched in 1989 was to offer an alternative to the four existing terrestrial channels. Too many new Sky subscribers today moan that there should be more British made programmes on Sky. No. Thatís what we have BBC, ITV Channel 4 and to some extent channel Five are for.
These channels were good that in 1989 and are still reasonably good today.

Too many channels on Sky Digital Network today are merely outlets for repeat showings of BBC programmes. That was not the original intention of Satellite TV in the UK. I have already paid for and probably passed on these programmes and donít really wish to be paying for them a second time.
So yes there is the capacity for UK satellite channels to show more top rated US content.
We now have Comedy Central which you would have expected to show more US comedy, but no, most of the ďnewĒ programmes are BBC repeats.

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Old 27-10-2012, 15:21
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Indeed, regardless of quality.



Not when they have passed on shows that are regarded as sustainably better in the US (and in this Digital Spy Forum).


No but the amount of time after the three shows mentioned (Person of Interest, Boss and Community) became available to buy to when they were picked up by Channel 4, Channel Five and Sony TV shows that Sky passed on these.

They must have originally passed on House, Lost, The Shield, The Sopranos, 24 and Smallville when they were first available but not the X-Files (incidentally made by Fox in Vancouver at that time ) Seinfeld, Family Guy, The West Wing, and Wings.
Apart from the X-files which was also shown on BBC2 the others were later dropped by Sky with the later series being shown on BBC and Channel 4.

It appears that Sky had a tendency to pass on new programmes it thinks may generate a greater audience following on the terrestrial networks then nab the later series on the hope of generating more subscribers - or be cancelled after just one season on the US networks (with the exception of Fox).
Mad Men is one example that recently failed generating significantly more subscribers for them.



Many more people in the UK were angry about the BBC, ITV Channel 4 having too many US shows and the European Commission produced a directive to restrict the number of non-EC produced programmes being shown during the Prime Time hours.

Sky or Sky Channel when launched in 1989 was to offer an alternative to the four existing terrestrial channels. Too many new Sky subscribers today moan that there should be more British made programmes on Sky. No. Thatís what we have BBC, ITV Channel 4 and to some extent channel Five are for.
These channels were good that in 1989 and are still reasonably good today.

Too many channels on Sky Digital Network today are merely outlets for repeat showings of BBC programmes. That was not the original intention of Satellite TV in the UK. I have already paid for and probably passed on these programmes and donít really wish to be paying for them a second time.
So yes there is the capacity for UK satellite channels to show more top rated US content.
We now have Comedy Central which you would have expected to show more US comedy, but no, most of the ďnewĒ programmes are BBC repeats.

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You are engaging in paranoid conspiracy thinking. The idea that Sky deliberately "passes" on (something you are just reiterating, not proving) certain programmes it believes will be commercially SUCCESSFUL in order to swoop in after a few seasons and take them away from terrestrial channels is ludicrous. Predicting which US shows are going to be hits and which quickly cancelled is usually impossible, and EVERY channel wants to be on the ground floor of getting the hits and would like to avoid the shows that will flop.

And all of the shows you say that Sky "must have passed on" -- you don't know if they refused to bid for those shows or they bid for them and were outbid by channels that offered the Americans more money. From what I have read the sale of American shows is like an auction process. If I am at an auction and I bid a $100 for an object and somebody bids $110, and I don't then offer more than a $110, I have not "passed" on the object. I tried to get it, but somebody else was willing to pay more so I lost the competition to get the object. The fact is when a new US show is sold to a UK channel we don't know what other UK channels tried to get it and failed, as opposed to showing no interest in getting it.
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Old 27-10-2012, 16:01
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You are engaging in paranoid conspiracy thinking. The idea that Sky deliberately "passes" on (something you are just reiterating, not proving) certain programmes it believes will be commercially SUCCESSFUL in order to swoop in after a few seasons and take them away from terrestrial channels is ludicrous. Predicting which US shows are going to be hits and which quickly cancelled is usually impossible, and EVERY channel wants to be on the ground floor of getting the hits and would like to avoid the shows that will flop.

And all of the shows you say that Sky "must have passed on" -- you don't know if they refused to bid for those shows or they bid for them and were outbid by channels that offered the Americans more money. From what I have read the sale of American shows is like an auction process. If I am at an auction and I bid a $100 for an object and somebody bids $110, and I don't then offer more than a $110, I have not "passed" on the object. I tried to get it, but somebody else was willing to pay more so I lost the competition to get the object. The fact is when a new US show is sold to a UK channel we don't know what other UK channels tried to get it and failed, as opposed to showing no interest in getting it.
Buying any new show is a gamble.

BSkyB now has very deep pockets much deeper than the UK terrestrial channels.
It does not matter at what stage they pass on a programme, if Sky decides itís not worth the money currently bid then Sky will have passed just the same as if they had not bid at all.
In the end they did not want it enough.
A new programme is only worth what US studios can sell it for.
If Sky wants it they will buy it and announce / brag about it pretty much straight away.

Any way my argument was about the time is has taken for a channel to pick up these three programmes Person of Interest, Boss and Community.

And why are you up so early on a Saturday?
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Old 27-10-2012, 16:18
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This entire argument is ridiculous, why should Sky buy every US show going? They don't buy shows on quality, they buy shows on their ability to market them. You look at what are considered critically acclaimed shows in the past few years, they don't go anywhere. If you want money (like Sky do), you buy marketable shows not clever ones.

From a marketing perspective it's way easier to sell a Courtney Cox starring sitcom, from the creator of Scrubs with mixed reception (Cougar Town - Sky Living), than it is to sell a show about a chemistry teacher who becomes a drug dealer with mass critical acclaim (Breaking Bad).

It's not like any of you should any moral issues about "obtaining" them in other ways, so what's the point in whinging?
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Old 20-11-2012, 17:48
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Cancelled !
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Old 21-11-2012, 09:21
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If Sky did indeed pass on the opportunity to buy the rights to this show, it seems they knew more than most of the people in this thread in regards to a wider audience appeal. I am shocked!

One thing I hate with a passion is if a channel picks up a show that has been cancelled after one season with no ending. I don't follow religiously what shows are doing well across the water, so it is quite aggrivating when you get into something only to find out there is no next season! Has happened on a couple of occasions!
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Old 21-11-2012, 12:43
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If Sky did indeed pass on the opportunity to buy the rights to this show, it seems they knew more than most of the people in this thread in regards to a wider audience appeal. I am shocked!

One thing I hate with a passion is if a channel picks up a show that has been cancelled after one season with no ending. I don't follow religiously what shows are doing well across the water, so it is quite aggrivating when you get into something only to find out there is no next season! Has happened on a couple of occasions!
The situation with Boss is slightly different though as there are 2 seasons ready to air.
More4 acquired the rights while the second season was airing in the US, they obviously hoped that the fact it had been picked up for a second season meant it was already a success and were hoping for a third season.
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Old 21-11-2012, 21:53
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I have 1 episode of season two remaining to watch and will miss this excellent series....Kelsey Grammars character really is a monster, and I love the political twists and turns.

the illness story arc never really got to become a major factor, I'm sure it would have done had the series not been cancelled.

I am so looking forward to the season finale and hope that the makers do indeed shoot a film to bring the overall story to an endpoint
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Old 21-11-2012, 22:56
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I'll definetely be watching this when it comes to More4, seems like the kind of programme i'd enjoy watching esp. if there are lots of twists and turns in it.
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Old 22-11-2012, 11:26
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I'll definetely be watching this when it comes to More4, seems like the kind of programme i'd enjoy watching esp. if there are lots of twists and turns in it.
If you enjoy political dramas,centred around elections, with power obsessed stop at nothing leaders, behind the scenes bargaining and back-stabbing, with a dose of criminality, sexual shenanigans and investigative journalism then its deffo one for you
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Old 16-03-2013, 21:42
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Have you seen Boss starts on More 4 next Thursday at 11pm? Just saw it advertised: Series 1 (8 episodes). Thought the trailer looked good and was interested to read what those of you on here who have seen it thought. Thanks. I am going to give it a try.
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Old 17-03-2013, 10:02
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Have you seen the ratings Boss got?

It was on a very minor channel and only managed 200k for some episodes. As much as I love Grammar I'm not surprised that there was little interest
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Old 17-03-2013, 10:10
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Have you seen the ratings Boss got?

It was on a very minor channel and only managed 200k for some episodes. As much as I love Grammar I'm not surprised that there was little interest
It was on the most popular premium cable network in the States. Starz can probably afford to keep paying for it, but with figures that low I can see why they don't want to. I'll still give it a look on More4 though...
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Old 22-03-2013, 16:37
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Great start to this new series last night, which sadly only lasted two Seasons {18 episodes}...I'm hooked already.

But the Ears....
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