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G4 - And The 'Grey Vote'?
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zilch
09-12-2004
Family members of the group are being quoted as saying that they think G4 will win the contest because of the 'pensioner's vote'. Jon's family say that they know people in their 70's, 80's and 90's who are 'picking up their telephones and mobiles (?) to vote for them'. I can certainly understand the attraction from this age group, but perhaps this could be a reason why Simon is concerned about them winning - this market does not buy a large amount of recording product!
Lola G4
09-12-2004
excuse me, but i am a 13 yr old girl, and thy wont win it on the pensioners vote because, personally, i dont call 13 yr old girls pensioners
pennycandle
09-12-2004
I think G4 are picking up support from every age group to be honest.....great news
pennycandle
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by xIxLUVxG4x:
“excuse me, but i am a 13 yr old girl, and thy wont win it on the pensioners vote because, personally, i dont call 13 yr old girls pensioners”

.....my point exactly Lola......they appeal to such a wide age range
moogester
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by xIxLUVxG4x:
“excuse me, but i am a 13 yr old girl, and thy wont win it on the pensioners vote because, personally, i dont call 13 yr old girls pensioners”

I totally agree with you, it has really surprised me how teenagers have supported G4 - mind you would you be so interested if Jon wasn't in the group?

Pensioners will not multi vote either - teenagers will, of course Jon's parents know people who are voting for him
*Eileen*
09-12-2004
I don't think that zilch was suggesting that only pensioners vote for G4

HERE IS A LINK to the Digital Spy's own news story that refers to this.
Lola G4
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by pennycandle:
“I think G4 are picking up support from every age group to be honest.....great news ”

As i just proved
munta
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by zilch:
“Family members of the group are being quoted as saying that they think G4 will win the contest because of the 'pensioner's vote'. Jon's family say that they know people in their 70's, 80's and 90's who are 'picking up their telephones and mobiles (?) to vote for them'. I can certainly understand the attraction from this age group, but perhaps this could be a reason why Simon is concerned about them winning - this market does not buy a large amount of recording product!”

Will they sell that on 78 shellac? I only have a gramophone.
Lola G4
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by moogester:
“I totally agree with you, it has really surprised me how teenagers have supported G4 - mind you would you be so interested if Jon wasn't in the group?

Pensioners will not multi vote either - teenagers will, of course Jon's parents know people who are voting for him ”

yes, i would still be interested, i like their music, its different from everyone else, i have never heard anything like it in the charts as i have only lived for 13 yrs, but it does help a little that they are all so cute
The Dreaming
09-12-2004
All the grannies I know seem to like 2 to Go for some reason.
zilch
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by pennycandle:
“I think G4 are picking up support from every age group to be honest.....great news ”


If the family comments are correct, then yes, as far as the competition is concerned. But we all know, that doesn't really matter, it's AFTER the competition that really counts. When the average Saturday night television audience have moved on to the next show, the 'winner' is left to the record buying public. As we have seen with previous talent shows of this kind, the artists go on to be judged in terms of record sales only - and the future can sometimes be bleak.
stillrockin
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by zilch:
“If the family comments are correct, then yes, as far as the competition is concerned. But we all know, that doesn't really matter, it's AFTER the competition that really counts. When the average Saturday night television audience have moved on to the next show, the 'winner' is left to the record buying public. As we have seen with previous talent shows of this kind, the artists go on to be judged in terms of record sales only - and the future can sometimes be bleak.”

I agree with you zilch. Personally, I don't know where G4 are going after the first album and that is my main problem with them. They have to have original material to achieve any longevity otherwise they will be a one off gimmick. I'll be shot down for that comment I suspect
stillrockin
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by AABeatrix:
“All the grannies I know seem to like 2 to Go for some reason.”

I could soon be in the "granny" category and I haven't liked any of them except Tabby
Diane K
09-12-2004
Well, I AM a granny and Tabby rocks!
stillrockin
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by Diane K:
“Well, I AM a granny and Tabby rocks! ”

Hey Diane - us grannies and nearly grannies just won't lie down
camaj
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“They have to have original material to achieve any longevity otherwise they will be a one off gimmick. I'll be shot down for that comment I suspect ”

They'll hardly be a gimmick. Any act will have to have original material to suceed long term, that's true of any act from a show like this. It's also the main reason they've mostly flopped after a short burst of success. If you sell yourself as the new best thing you're appealing to people who'll soon be looking for the next new best thing. Better to appeal to those who recognise talent and will support it regardless of fashion
stillrockin
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by camaj:
“They'll hardly be a gimmick. Any act will have to have original material to suceed long term, that's true of any act from a show like this. It's also the main reason they've mostly flopped after a short burst of success. If you sell yourself as the new best thing you're appealing to people who'll soon be looking for the next new best thing. Better to appeal to those who recognise talent and will support it regardless of fashion”

I use the word gimmick because they don't have any particular musical direction. They cover carols, standards, pop and Disney film tracks - bit of a mish mash. What direction do you think they will take with original material - ballads, uptempo pop tunes, rock ? This is the big problem with them for me - what are they going to write?

At least with Tabby he's got three albums of original material written and recorded and his direction is clear.
DivaLoca
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by camaj:
“They'll hardly be a gimmick. Any act will have to have original material to suceed long term, that's true of any act from a show like this. It's also the main reason they've mostly flopped after a short burst of success. If you sell yourself as the new best thing you're appealing to people who'll soon be looking for the next new best thing. Better to appeal to those who recognise talent and will support it regardless of fashion”

Completely agreed, I think a lot of people like me have been voting for potential over individual performances. They alone have the talent (and indeed the training) to evolve and develop as artists and I feel sure the lack of useful feedback they have received during this competition has been the primary source of the obvious frustration shown last Saturday.

I don't know what their direction is long term - I suspect they don't either. They're just riding the wave of an opportunity and seeing where it takes them and, so long as it doesn't result in damaging their obvious love of singing long-term, I don't actually think at this point in time that it matters.

DL
Diane K
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“Hey Diane - us grannies and nearly grannies just won't lie down ”

Life would be boring if we did,stillrockin LOL!
dome
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“I agree with you zilch. Personally, I don't know where G4 are going after the first album and that is my main problem with them. They have to have original material to achieve any longevity otherwise they will be a one off gimmick. I'll be shot down for that comment I suspect ”

Steve has the same problem.
stillrockin
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by dome:
“Steve has the same problem.”

Yes he does. I can see an album of soul type ballads and a few covers - not exactly going to set the place on fire is it? He's not that young so he ought to have written some stuff of his own by now but I haven't seen any info about that. He'll gain most from winning the competition because without it I don't think he would have a hope of getting a recording contract. He's already had one shot at it so this is a bonus for him I think.
ZipGypsy
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“I agree with you zilch. Personally, I don't know where G4 are going after the first album and that is my main problem with them. They have to have original material to achieve any longevity otherwise they will be a one off gimmick. I'll be shot down for that comment I suspect ”

It speaks volumes to me that on the live shows, G4 have performed 2 Queen songs. Why? I have always said, that I find that G4 are not versatile. They may have tried various things, but IMO, few things worked well.

I also think that G4 will find it hard to focus after the first album...and I wonder what will be on that? Why not just do a whole album of Queen covers?

I am beginning to believe what people have said before - that voting and music buying audiences are not always the same. The behaviour of voters has not, so far in PI type shows (excepting Will Young and perhaps Girls Aloud), been a good indicator of buying audiences.

I honestly think that Steve would sell far more CDs than G4.

Well....we shall see!
Jodrel
09-12-2004
I think both artists left in the contest , will appeal to the 'more mature' record buying public. I think maybe G4 appeal to a younger market too because of Jonathons good looks? Of course this is a gross generalisation! Personally , I prefer pop and although I enjoy the show, I don't know if I would buy the Cds produced...........although I will vote!
This is the dilemma the winner will face...will votes convert to record sales long term?
(I am not grey cos I know a good colourist!)
dome
09-12-2004
Originally Posted by ZipGypsy:
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I honestly think that Steve would sell far more CDs than G4.

Well....we shall see! ”

It's a hard call, Steve hasn't shown much variation.

I think it would be far more interesting if they didn't vote for a winner and just gave the acts a year in which they had to produce an album and do the rounds as supporting acts . Really learning and honing their craft.

Then I think we would have a more realistic result and could declare a winner.
kizzie
09-12-2004
Just like the grannies who don't buy the albums .You also have the teens that will have another idol in a couple of months (or less)
they need to do something to bring in the main groups
I hope they have a good long career ,but as already been said you cant go by the vote as that is more heat of the moment
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