The cleverest idea was Pop Stars the rivals format, when the final consisted of which group had reached number one, that proved once and for all who would be the successful act and it still does for Girls Allowed.

Perhaps in the next X factor Simon should consider the two final acts releasing their single instead of a public vote to decide the winner.

Ok guys...I know people have been protesting against being put into stereotypical pigeon holes....e.g. G4 gets the granny vote, Tabby gets the teen vote and Steve gets the housewife vote.

However...if we say thay there IS a grey vote....who WOULD get it? Can we use 60 and over as a benchmark?

If there IS a grey vote, then I can't see Tabby having got it. I can see both G4 and Steve getting it.

When I think of it, I guess it was inevitable that Tabby went out....his voting public may not have had 'rock' taste or even tolerance.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, yes, I know that there are 13 year olds etc voting for G4 ans Steve. I am talking in generalisations for the arguement. Please spare me the....'well I'm not grey....' etc etc. I'm just talking about larger groupings.

Is there even a grey vote?

[quote=moogester]I totally agree with you, it has really surprised me how teenagers have supported G4 - mind you would you be so interested if Jon wasn't in the group?

I would still be interseted in the group if Jon wasn't in there, 2 reasons lol Matt is my fave member and I love all their voices

I'm wondering if zilch mispelled the thread title

Explain...pleeze?

PMSL.......

Riiiight! I think I have it now!!!

Come on, keep up

I totally agree with you! I only see them doing covers, and as you say, that's novelty, not a recipe for longevity! They certainly wouldn't be able to rely on BMG's stock of Swedish songwriters (a la Westlife) that's for sure!!!

Good luck to them though, they do have great voices!

xverso xxxxxxxxxxxxx

(VOTE STEVE!)

I love the way you all add the little 'I'll be shot down for that ' addendum - trying to stir it up a bit eh?

As far as I can see some people have really missed the point with G4. They are not a group put together to make a career in the pop industry. They are four music students who got together to busk and make a few bob. They entered the competition not even thinking they would get through the auditions and here they are in the final - wooo hoo.

Thing is they will likely go their own way in the future, as opera singers, or music teachers or whatever they decide to do with their education and talents. They are all young men and will take what they can out of Xtra factor, stay around to make as much money as they can and please as many fans (me being one of them) and if it doesn't last, they'll move on. They have the rest of their lives in front of them, I don't see what the problem is? I also don't see why you anti G4 people are so bothered if they don't stay around for ever. Does it matter to you?

If they win it will because they were the most popular on the night, nobody can argue with that (although I am sure some will :yawn: ) What happens after that is down to them and their fans. I appreciate your concern over them but it really isn't necessary.

I agree with you Gwenllian23. So many people call them crap but if they were then they wouldnt be in the Final. And so many anti-G4 people seem to be more obssessed over G4 than their fans are.

Hi Gwenllian

You have in your second paragraph answered the question I think. They are possibly not in this for the long haul but just to pick up as much cash as possible at this moment in time. This therefore makes them a novelty and not a long term serious music prospect.

I thought the purpose of the show was to try and find an artist who would not only sell in the short term but with the prospect of remaining in the industry for more than the statutory 12 months, which seems usual following these types of shows.

I cannot see G4s musical direction and nor it seems can even the most avid G4 supporters. No one has put forward a suggestion as to where this concept is going in the long term - one poster did admit that they had no idea.
Perhaps they will flit in and out of other artists albums doing the odd collaboration. They need to know where they are going or else they will fall prey to the manipulation of the record company.

I am not anti G4 or any of the other finalists. I have tried to look at each one individually and see if they match up to the various criteria which might form part of having the xfactor. G4 have been lauded for their vocal ability but they are lacking in other areas IMO.

If they win tomorrow they will be the most popular on the night which will mean absolutely nothing this time next year.



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Lets count how many mentions there are on anti G4 threads to parts of G4's bodies, and then count how many mentions there are on pro G4 threads.
That will soon sort out who's obsessed. lol.

my old aunt said the blue rince brigade she knows like g4,all deaf as a door post.

hooray, more votes for us then

Yeah but if her hand shakes while dialing she will end up voting for Bruce forsyth.

oh they dont vote.to tight.

I wonder why you are so obsessed with the future. I agree that for Steve this is a last ditch attempt at making it and good for him, I like him and I hope he does.

However, whenever a group form who knows how long they will last or what their intentions are, I certainly don't. I can only guess ,and to me in the worst case scenario, ie that support for G4 doesn't last long, they will have long careers elsewhere in the music industry. I can't see them turning out as bus drivers or plumbers or accounants thats for sure.

In my opinion they have fantastic talent and a good education individually so I am convinced they will be fine long term.

I find it irritating that first of all they are slated for not having longevity in the industry (more crystal ball stuff) but when the critics are answered with common sense replies as to what is likely to happen to G4 if they don't stay together, that is wrong too.

Obviously in some people's eyes they can't win whatever so its best we just dont bother to argue on it.

Neither you nor me can see into the future so its pretty stupid trying to argue about it, don't you think?

I believe they will succeed and have a long career - they are young and ambitious. Simon Cowell said yesterday that Jonathan was one of the most ambitious young men he had ever met in his life.

I agree - I'm sure they'll be successful wherever their career's take them....and so what if they don't have great longevity as a group, at least something different came out of one of these shows and who knows where that might lead? More members of the public might start forming their own opinions instead of waiting for Simon Cowell to tell them what they think for one thing....

DL

We aren't arguing - just stating our two different opinions and for me the flaw in the concept. I have never slated or descried their vocal ability merely tried to put a bit of perspective into the ever increasing wave of superlatives which are banded about.

As you say we can't see into the future - I shall watch with interest - they may reach ethereal heights or they may crash and burn.

DL are you my evil twin? You seem to be posting everything I'm thinking

G4 stated that their aim from X Factor would be to record an album. Maybe they will have more longevity than this as a group, maybe not. It all depends on how they are 'served up' and whether the public are prepared to buy into them long-term. Personally I admire their attitude. They're not saying they want to be international superstars off the back of X factor, they're saying 'we love to sing, if we can make money out of it, wicked'.

One thing I am sure of is that these lads will definitely have long and successful singing careers. I suspect that eventually they have their sights set on individual careers as opera singers. In that respect they absolutely do have a shot at longevity, maybe not in the mainstream charts, but still within a very worthwhile sector of the music industry.

Personally I think they have a chance of being around for a while, more so than perhaps some of the other contestants we have seen, because they offer something different. I think they have a winning formula. But since when has my opinion been a fair representation of that of the record buying public?

They may reach ethereal hights indeed but I don't think they will ever crash and burn, they will have parachuted out long before that would happen.

Talented they most certainly are, stupid they are not.

I agree, it is just differing opinions but as neither of us can see into the future we will just have to agree to differ.