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Old 02-10-2012, 17:23
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"Channel 4 plans bid for broadcasting rights for 2016 Rio Paralympics"

"The Channel 4 chief executive, David Abraham, is preparing a bid for the TV rights to the Rio de Janeiro 2016 Paralympics, but could be derailed by a BBC plan to snatch back the rights."

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Old 02-10-2012, 17:23
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The fact that Monroe underwent a reboot rather says a lot about how ITV felt about it after its first run - and throwing it against New Tricks would suggest that someone high up saw this series and didn't think it was worth showcasing in a 'softer' slot.

I would suggest that the show isn't scoring on two fronts: first of all, it's so obviously a copy of House; and, secondly, I don't think James Nesbitt is quite the pull for audiences that some broadcasters seem to think he is. Murphy's Law and The Deep hardly set the ratings alight.

Add to that Sarah Parrish with her features botoxed into oblivion and it's not a particularly inviting show from the off ...

Unless it stages a sudden recovery, I'd predict its demise - to be replaced by a Grey's Anatomy clone in development at ITV (and originally devised as a Holby City spin-off at the BBC ...).
I'm just watching Monroe now on catch-up - I think your description is absolutely spot-on. It's all a bit too stylised, slickly scripted and pleased with itself to fully engage with the audience. That Holby City spin-off which has mutated into ITV's Greys sounds intriguing - tell us more....
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I'm just watching Monroe now on catch-up - I think your description is absolutely spot-on. It's all a bit too stylised, slickly scripted and pleased with itself to fully engage with the audience. That Holby City spin-off which has mutated into ITV's Greys sounds intriguing - tell us more....
not sure if the poster was being serious.
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:29
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The CBS line-up will look a bit steadier with Rules of Engagement in at 8.30pm when that eventually happens. H50 is a bit disappointing, though. 2 Broke Girls is obviously way down on TAAHM at the start of last season but I'm not convinced that TAAHM would be doing any more in that 9pm slot. Even with a huge lead-in it only did a 3.5 last Thursday.

Another good night for NBC, Revolution holding OK although you can never be too sure with drama (particualrly serialised) until it stops falling.

Rough for FOX - bring on Kitchen Nightmares for 8pm and try and let Bones get a bigger audience at 9pm because its ratings aren't too healthy either.

Over at ABC, oh dear oh dear. Castle did OK all things considered (but possible downward adjustments?). DWTS is perilously close to cancellation at that level. But I think they'll have to see the whole season out with it. In theory I'd like to move the spring cycle to summer next year and launch a big new reality series in its slot. But the problem is not only the lack of obvious big new reality series but also the fact that there's already a big reality series in the slot!
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:32
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not sure if the poster was being serious.
Oh right - sorry
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:36
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Oh right - sorry
I will let Servalan speak for himself, but that was how I read the post.
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:41
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Full ratings now up... http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/10/rat...ober-2012.html

Well done to;
The Voice (4.5), Revolution (3.2), 2BG (3.4) and How I Met Your Mother (3.2)

Hot Coals for;
DWTS (2.0), The Mob Doctor (1.0) and Partners (2.1)

The Night
NBC - 4.1
CBS - 2.6
ABC - 2.0
FOX - 1.6

ABC did win with total viewers though...
US Ratings

The Voice - 4.5/11 (12.32m)
DWTS - 2.0/5 (12.21m)
HIMYM - 3.2/9 (8.15m)
Bones - 2.1/6 (6.92m)

2 Broke Girls - 3.4/8 (9.02m)
The Mob Doctor - 1.0/2 (3.54m)

Revolution - 3.2/8 (8.40m)
Castle - 1.9/5 (10.33m)
Hawaii Five-O - 1.9/5 (7.72m)

The Voice up week-on-week, beating DWTS in demo and also in viewing figures. Revolution doing well as is 2 Broke Girls. Mediocre rating for Hawaii Five-O and HIMYM. I suspect The Mob Doctor won't be back next week.
That's quite a comeback for NBC. Didn't think Revolution would do that well against H50 and Castle but wow at H50's fall from grace. CBS on Monday also seems weaker without Two And A Half Men. 2 Broke Girls and Mike & Molly were hits due to Men not because of their quality in my view.
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:44
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It is amazing, looks like Smash will be moving nights when it returns, probably to a Thursday, needs all the help it can get and could get a small crossover from Glee...
I suspect Smash will end up airing Tuesday night at 10 replacing Parenthood which only got a short episode order and shouldn't be extended. The one caveat to that might be what they intend to do with The Biggest Loser midseason. There's not an obvious slot for it at this point with Go On seemingly holding up on Tuesday. If they opt to use Loser to fill 2 dead hours on Wednesday Smash might end up there although that could also depend on what Nashville does in that slot for ABC. I doubt anyone wants those two shows airing opposite one another. Personally I think Loser/Notorious lands on Wednesday. It certainly makes sense to air what looks like a Revenge clone in Revenge's old slot. I'll be surprised if Smash lands on Thursday though. For better or worse NBC seem to have thrown in the towel on Thursday night this season and I can't see them putting a show they clearly like there. It may end up being SVU's slot though since they may end up having nowhere else to put that.

I'm also not convinced that Glee stays in that Thursday night slot. At this stage Fox need to free that up to launch The Following out of Idol. They cannot put The Following on Monday night.

On the subject of ABC's Monday night I wonder if they might be best served by going on the attack. Fox can't seem to fill the drama hole on Monday night and CBS' Monday comedy block is looking a little shaky. Maybe cut the Spring cycle of Dancing with the Stars and try scripted content there. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but I don't see how they can keep plugging away with Dancing with the Stars unless it sees a serious rebound across the run.
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:50
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#1 - NBC - 2.9/8 - 8.2m - Up 12%
#2 - FOX - 2.6/8 - 7.0m - Down 24%
#3 - CBS - 2.4/7 - 10.7m - Down 27%
#4 - ABC - 2.2/6 - 8.3m - Down 21%

NBC last tied ABC for #1 in premiere week in 2007 and last won it outright in 2003.

Last season ABC's premiere week had doubles of Modern Family and Grey's Anatomy which it didn't this year. They also ran a Revenge preview show at 10pm on Wednesday this year where last season they ran its series premiere which did more than double the slot rating this year (they're holding off Nashville until after the Presidential debate). But with DWTS using 3 hours and posting big declines it's going to make life difficult regardless of how well Modern Family, Grey's and Once Upon A Time have started this season.

CBS was obviously Two and a Half Men/2 Broke Girls inflated. But CBS have generally seen declines across most of their premieres this year and no obvious breakout series.

FOX have fewer mitigating factors. X Factor is being compared to its premiere last season rather than its third week which doesn't help. But it's the least of their problems as Glee continues to slide, Family Guy was way down as was New Girl and their Monday line-up is doing terribly.

The NBC press release is here. It's very long and clearly after years of spinning fourth place finishes they're not stopping now because they do try and spin Wednesday and Thursdays ratings.
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:51
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CBS will definetly be making some changes to Mondays, I imagine Rules will be back ASAP but I think Two and a Half Men back at 9 would bring some stabilty, 2 Broke Girls would do better with a Big Bang Theory lead in.

Despite the fact they'll win the year thanks to the Superbowl, CBS are looking a bit shaky this year but I think it's their fault for not ordering more series for midseason and awful scheduling that has hurt their lineup.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:04
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Well that was unexpected. According to DigiGuide The Mentalist will be back on Channel 5 on Thursday 18th October at 9pm.

Hoping that's the new season. It makes absolutely no sense to lead with reruns so I'm guessing it will be. Wasn't in the week's press pack though so can't be sure, but could be a late change of plan in response to how dire their numbers have been on Thursdays these past couple of weeks.

The network premiere of Rocky Balboa meanwhile gets two showings (Sunday 14th at 9pm, Friday 19th at 10pm) and live boxing returns with Degale v Mohoumadi on Saturday 13th at 10pm.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:06
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thanks for letting us know, I missed that.

Shame it will clash with Hunted.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:09
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Well that was unexpected. According to DigiGuide The Mentalist will be back on Channel 5 on Thursday 18th October at 9pm.

Hoping that's the new season. It makes absolutely no sense to lead with reruns so I'm guessing it will be. Wasn't in the week's press pack though so can't be sure, but could be a late change of plan in response to how dire their numbers have been on Thursdays these past couple of weeks.

The network premiere of Rocky Balboa meanwhile gets two showings (Sunday 14th at 9pm, Friday 19th at 10pm) and live boxing returns with Degale v Mohoumadi on Saturday 13th at 10pm.
I think it's the new season, wouldn't make sense to be a repeat and Channel 5 have usually aired it a few weeks after its premiere date in the US.

Channel 5 seem to be airing new to terrestrial premieres as alternatives to Homeland, Downton and HoTW which is good as it was looking a little lacking when Channel 4 were showing premieres like Avatar etc but I wouldn't be surprised if Channel 4 do start airing terrestrial premiere as lead ins to Homeland.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:14
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#1 - NBC - 2.9/8 - 8.2m - Up 12%
#2 - FOX - 2.6/8 - 7.0m - Down 24%
#3 - CBS - 2.4/7 - 10.7m - Down 27%
#4 - ABC - 2.2/6 - 8.3m - Down 21%

NBC last tied ABC for #1 in premiere week in 2007 and last won it outright in 2003.

Last season ABC's premiere week had doubles of Modern Family and Grey's Anatomy which it didn't this year. They also ran a Revenge preview show at 10pm on Wednesday this year where last season they ran its series premiere which did more than double the slot rating this year (they're holding off Nashville until after the Presidential debate). But with DWTS using 3 hours and posting big declines it's going to make life difficult regardless of how well Modern Family, Grey's and Once Upon A Time have started this season.

CBS was obviously Two and a Half Men/2 Broke Girls inflated. But CBS have generally seen declines across most of their premieres this year and no obvious breakout series.

FOX have fewer mitigating factors. X Factor is being compared to its premiere last season rather than its third week which doesn't help. But it's the least of their problems as Glee continues to slide, Family Guy was way down as was New Girl and their Monday line-up is doing terribly.

The NBC press release is here. It's very long and clearly after years of spinning fourth place finishes they're not stopping now because they do try and spin Wednesday and Thursdays ratings.
Men inflated everything (and was itself inflated), last series because of the huge ratings surrounding the first Sheen free episode. The show was doing well on Mondays anyway and propped up some very average sitcoms around it. Now we can see how popular those sitcoms truly are and the answer is not very.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:17
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I think it's the new season, wouldn't make sense to be a repeat and Channel 5 have usually aired it a few weeks after its premiere date in the US.
The Mentalist was fast-tracked last year as well but not quite to this extent. It was more like early November.

Channel 5 seem to be airing new to terrestrial premieres as alternatives to Homeland, Downton and HoTW which is good as it was looking a little lacking when Channel 4 were showing premieres like Avatar etc but I wouldn't be surprised if Channel 4 do start airing terrestrial premiere as lead ins to Homeland.
It's the smartest bit of scheduling they've done for a while as they can plug Rocky heavily during the boxing the night before. If all goes to plan it should be a good little weekend for them.

As for Channel 4, provisionally they've scheduled the network premiere of Remember Me on Sunday 14th October at 10.30pm. So after Homeland looks to be the plan for the premieres, but with Friday Night Dinner in between, unlike earlier in the year where the likes of Law Abiding Citizen and Inglorious Basterds were able to capitalise on a strong Homeland lead-in to post strong 1.5m+ audiences.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:21
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The Mentalist was fast-tracked last year as well but not quite to this extent. It was more like early November.

As for Channel 4, provisionally they've scheduled the network premiere of Remember Me on Sunday 14th October at 10.30pm. So after Homeland looks to be the plan for the premieres, but with Friday Night Dinner in between, unlike earlier in the year where the likes of Law Abiding Citizen and Inglorious Basterds were able to capitalise on a strong Homeland lead-in to post strong 1.5m+ audiences.
10.30pm isn't a great slot for Remember Me especially if Friday Night Dinner only some of the Homeland audience. I'm more thinking something like Iron Man 2 or Knight and Day as lead in but Kevin's Homemade Home is at 8 so prevents any lead in for Homeland.

Season 3 aired three weeks after its US date, I guess they plan to air 10 episodes this year then the rest of the season from February/March.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:22
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I wonder how C5 will use CSI this year, ok they are not going to do anything until Miami ends, which takes them to Dec, so really no need to air anything till the New Year, I assume one will air, and then the other, but im not sure which way round.

NY has 18 episodes, and CSI 22.

I guess if NY was to end this series, Channel 5 would benefit from Las Vegas then NY, but its not known if NY will end this season. I would think they would air CSI on Tuesdays as normal, then start NY on Saturdays at some stage.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:25
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I will let Servalan speak for himself, but that was how I read the post.
Thank you!

Yes, I was being serious.

There was a series in development at the BBC with a working title of Holby Critical, about an ITU unit. The producer across it was a massive Grey's fan, stealing from the show wherever possible (and even scripted references to the show in Holby City episodes ) ... and is now at ITV, working with the same writer, on a new version of that show (which was never going to happen on BBC One after the demise of Holby Blue).

Given ITV's track record for coming up with dramas obviously based on other shows, I would say it stands quite a good chance - especially if Monroe tanks. You have been warned ...
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:27
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Thank you!

Yes, I was being serious.

There was a series in development at the BBC with a working title of Holby Critical, about an ITU unit. The producer across it was a massive Grey's fan, stealing from the show wherever possible (and even scripted references to the show in Holby City episodes ) ... and is now at ITV, working with the same writer, on a new version of that show (which was never going to happen on BBC One after the demise of Holby Blue).

Given ITV's track record for coming up with dramas obviously based on other shows, I would say it stands quite a good chance - especially if Monroe tanks. You have been warned ...
I had not heard of Holby Critical before, is it actually officially in development at ITV? (lets call it Sun Hill Critical, for kicks. Dont think ITV could air a Holbyverse show)
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:30
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Haassan, if you can't be bothered to look for ratings (which are available on several sites) then why should people bother posting them? I will be way too busy to post full lists some days from now on due to Uni...
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:38
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And that's why The X Factor won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Also worth noting how upmarket X Factor skews. A greater proportion of ABC1's than any ITV1 show bar Downton Abbey. So much for 'Chav TV'.

It is interesting, though, just how heavily female the channel is skewing now. Not a think with more than 40% men. Underlines the importance of football for ITV1. Even if it brings relatively small overall audience, its a type of viewer they're really struggling to capture otherwise.

Revolution - 3.2/8 (8.40m)
Castle - 1.9/5 (10.33m)
Hawaii Five-O - 1.9/5 (7.72m)

The Voice up week-on-week, beating DWTS in demo and also in viewing figures. Revolution doing well as is 2 Broke Girls. Mediocre rating for Hawaii Five-O and HIMYM. I suspect The Mob Doctor won't be back next week.
Another brilliant Monday for NBC. The Voice is dominating and the damage Revolution has done to not one, but two solid veteran dramas is absolutely remarkable.

ABC are going to have to act soon with DWTS pulling numbers like that - and Fox's hand is already flat on the panic button!

#1 - NBC - 2.9/8 - 8.2m - Up 12%
#2 - FOX - 2.6/8 - 7.0m - Down 24%
#3 - CBS - 2.4/7 - 10.7m - Down 27%
#4 - ABC - 2.2/6 - 8.3m - Down 21%

NBC last tied ABC for #1 in premiere week in 2007 and last won it outright in 2003.

The NBC press release is here. It's very long and clearly after years of spinning fourth place finishes they're not stopping now because they do try and spin Wednesday and Thursdays ratings.
Anyone get the sense from all them capitals that NBC's PR folk are enjoying themselves. Give them their break, I suppose - they've been stoically putting a brave face on for quite a few years now!

Obviously, The Voice has a lot/everything to do with NBC's climb. The other comedies and dramas are just about offsetting the declining disasters on Wednesday and Thursday.

The real story there, though, is how badly each of the other networks are down. DWTS is the obvious drag for ABC, Fox's struggles have been quite obvious over the past week - but CBS is the most surprising. It's not the fault of any one show, just that everything is lagging.

EDIT: Just thinking, CBS did have that absolutely monumental Monday last premiere week, with the 10.something for Two and a Half Men, propelling a generally massive night. The declines are presumably much gentler beyond that day.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:59
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Thank you!

Yes, I was being serious.

There was a series in development at the BBC with a working title of Holby Critical, about an ITU unit. The producer across it was a massive Grey's fan, stealing from the show wherever possible (and even scripted references to the show in Holby City episodes ) ... and is now at ITV, working with the same writer, on a new version of that show (which was never going to happen on BBC One after the demise of Holby Blue).

Given ITV's track record for coming up with dramas obviously based on other shows, I would say it stands quite a good chance - especially if Monroe tanks. You have been warned ...
Very interesting... thanks for that. The mind boggles re. Holby Critical, and how/why it was even mooted. Thankfully, the limitations of the premise in relation to Holby City/Casualty were obviously realised pretty swiftly.
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Old 02-10-2012, 19:00
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US Ratings by the half hour

DWTS 1.9/ 2.0/ 2.2/ 2.0
Castle 2.0/ 1.8

The Voice 3.7/ 4.3/ 4.8/ 5.0
Revolution 3.5/ 2.9

Bones 2.1/ 2.1
The Mob Doctor 1.1/ 1.0

Hawaii Five-O 2.0/ 1.8

DWTS dropped for the last half hour. When The Voice hit 5.0, it was just short of 13m.
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Old 02-10-2012, 19:01
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NBC remind me of Channel 4; they find a hit and flog it for all it's worth because they have little else. Yes, people may point fingers at Revolution but would it really be doing so well without The Voice leg up? Mind you, the same could be said of ABC and Dancing with the Stars and FOX with Idol and The X Factor.

I'll still argue that The Voice would do better without competition from The X Factor and Idol offering other variations to the singing format. Saying that, it's rating brilliantly for NBC.

CBS is finally having a real challenge across the week as a whole and it's struggling to cope with some competition. ABC must be seriously worried about Dancing with the Stars - it appears as though the All Star season is flopping badly. FOX...less said, sooner mended.

As for the UK...Monroe struggled slightly more than I expected it to despite the New Tricks opposition, as did EastEnders - especially considering Paul O'Grady saw a small decrease last night. Coronation Street and Emmerdale both picked up steady if unspectacular ratings. Hotel GB will need to pick up during the week though it's not a bad start; just not good either. New Tricks is struggling slightly (relatively speaking) due to drama competition from ITV1.
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Old 02-10-2012, 19:11
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BB 2014's been confirmed, the announcement that they'd renewed the contract back in April didn't say whether it would, just that they'd renewed their right to the show as a whole:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb10/feature...roducers-speak
So in 2014, with ratings down to 600,000 on some nights, the BBistas will stay be saying what a great series it is and how it picked up another 10,000 on timeshift and how this is the best season yet.
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