There will have been a lot of intrigue though. The next figure is the one that counts.

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Looking at the breakdown, it seems Downton won the night.

That's a good start for Surprise, Surprise. It should manage 5m+ if it wasn't up against Strictly.

Yes. The first show for many shows like this rate well, then it drops. A bad example to use but Sing If You Can, started with 5m and then dropped to sub-4m.

I would assume so - that's usually the reason for huge drops within a programme for the commercial channels.

Yes, roughly 9.8m.

I have C4 at under 2m for the 9pm hour excl +1

From Jenny Cummins:


So TXF's average was flat on the last two weeks but the peak was slightly below. Series high for Downton. Looks like a nice start for Surprise Surprise too.

Gslam was Surprise surprise popular with old people or young people? What demos did it have cos I dont understand how it got 4.55m against Scd,

I genuinely think it's the Saturday scheduling that hampers the ratings. It finishes too late. If they have it finish before 10, and have it start at about 8, then that would be right even though it'd clash with Strictly for 25 minutes. The scheduling for next week is already a bit messed up, XF is running from 8:20 to 10:15.

The peak, even without +1, is lower than the past two weeks. Those should be the ratings we see on the Saturday night.

How does that compare to last year? 6-7% drop y-o-y?

X Factor is all about the peak on Sunday's now; the average will likely be around or less than Strictly's which does put on a better (and shorter) show.

End of the day ITV will be happyish with the peak; but once again the show is down heavily on the previous year.
Sundays are no longer the bright spot they were in 2011, they've now taken on the big drop in ratings we saw on Saturday nights.

EDIT: So that wasn't +1 and X Factor was above Strictly.


Surprise, Surprise started well - ITV had a decent night; but it is a Sunday so there really should be room for SS to grow a bit.
Also fantastic rating for Downton.

Guys, it looks like X Factor beat Strictly even without +1 - according to Gslam2's breakdown The X Factor averaged 9.33m and Strictly averaged 9.28m. Remember Strictly starts at 7:20pm this year not 7:25pm.

Seems to have done well with 16-34s & HW+CHs

What's with the articles saying Strictly had 9.4m? And Downton's average is quite close to that peak.

It really is in ratings crisis now.

What was its 16 to 34s and how does it compare to Scd, maybe beat it? Surprising if it did cos Surprise Surprise is the kind of show I know a lot of old people typically like. Thank you Gslam.

Strictly Come Dancing began at 19.23 yesterday so its rating was tape-checked for 19.25-20.00.

Not sure. Colin Robertson's ratings have been a couple of hundred thousand out here and there in the past so that might just be it. Also he might have forgotten it started at 7:20pm as it started at 7:25pm last year and he might have just used the breakdown.

Don't see why XF is 'really in ratings crisis now' when the situation is unchanged from last week and the week before. It'll most likely stay around these sort of levels for the series with a bump for the final.

EDIT: rzt explains the Strictly rating above.

No but when they clashed Strictly's share of individuals was 37% playing 17%.

For 16-34s it was 20% playing 18%

For HW+CHs it was 30% playing 23%

For ABC1s it was 46% playing 12%

For 65+ it was 51% playing 15%

Looks like I was bang on with Surprise Surprise - 4.5m.

Didn't expect SCD and TXF to be so close, maybe SCD even won when we get some actual, unaggregated overnights!

Note how many people switch to ITV just for the TXF reveal and then only drift away during the first twenty minutes of DA, artificially boosting both shows.

Which would be 9.4m

Ah that explains - thanks for that.

I'll let others decide the 'winner' then - it all depends on which figures you use!

I wonder how Paul Millar will report it?

if itv could find an entertainment show to run on saturday nights through the autumn and winter xfactor live performance show should go out on sunday nights from 7 till 9pm followed by downton and have the xfactor results show on a weekday night either monday at 9pm or wednesday at 8pm. then therre is no late finish for xfactor on saturday night and never any clash with strictly

The peak is lower than the week before, never mind a year before.

Last year it had 11.12m (39.8%), peaking at 12.42m (42.3%)

I won't even go on 2009 & 2010's ratings. 2008 had 7.7m (38%) and 2007 had something lower, but that was because they were scheduled quite late. The performance show is even lower than in 2008.

What if we get the winter we had in 2010? Would have have an affect on the ratings?